GEELONG vs COLLINGWOOD (1st PRELIMINARY FINAL)
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DangerHere
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Good arguments "KissSteph", however the mental part of this competitive sport is what makes the difference between a 'winner' and a 'loser'.
In the end there is not a lot of difference in 'talent' between the top and bottom sides in this great game of ours. It's the management of that talent and the 'will' to win in the heart of the team that is crucial.
The transformation this year with Geelong has been the mental part of the game, and the 'will' to win at all costs.
Geelong are now playing for each other. Last year they were playing for themselves.
After all, as you say, the team has basically got the same structure as last year.
Why have they won all but 4 games this year ?
Obviously something has changed, I think it has something to do with desire.
In the end there is not a lot of difference in 'talent' between the top and bottom sides in this great game of ours. It's the management of that talent and the 'will' to win in the heart of the team that is crucial.
The transformation this year with Geelong has been the mental part of the game, and the 'will' to win at all costs.
Geelong are now playing for each other. Last year they were playing for themselves.
After all, as you say, the team has basically got the same structure as last year.
Why have they won all but 4 games this year ?
Obviously something has changed, I think it has something to do with desire.
haywood jablome
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Can you imagine getting in an argument with her lol... Run for the hills is my advice, she would bore you to death with her dribble
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Collingwood by 8 points. Quote me next week.
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will do.
haywood jablome
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Don't worry, we will
Two things:
1.(Mostly) what catpounce said; and
2. Admiral, you better come up with Plan C as Plan A "all-out-attack" and Plan B "cat and mouse" are just not gonna cut it.
Imagining for a moment your coach can give up a lifetime of instinctive caution, do you really think you can match the most offensive AND defensive team of 2007?
While Plan B might have slightly better prospects, where's your match winner going to come from?
I've no doubt the coach will be working on a Plan C (it'll be his Plan A) as he's one of the top coaches going around but, on the day, it'll come down to your cattle against our cattle.
One key assessment (for mine) is that your middle has to do a fair bit better than break even, esp in clearances. Good luck!
1.(Mostly) what catpounce said; and
2. Admiral, you better come up with Plan C as Plan A "all-out-attack" and Plan B "cat and mouse" are just not gonna cut it.
Imagining for a moment your coach can give up a lifetime of instinctive caution, do you really think you can match the most offensive AND defensive team of 2007?
While Plan B might have slightly better prospects, where's your match winner going to come from?
I've no doubt the coach will be working on a Plan C (it'll be his Plan A) as he's one of the top coaches going around but, on the day, it'll come down to your cattle against our cattle.
One key assessment (for mine) is that your middle has to do a fair bit better than break even, esp in clearances. Good luck!
Len Thompson's passing is not neccessarily a positive in any way for a collingwood player. Of course i mean in terms of motivation, it is terrible when anyone dies. Anyone familiar with Yerkson-dodson stress curves will know there is an optimum amount of stress to give the best performance level. Added pressure for wanting to perform for Len might just push them past the optimum level of stress. I know my self in under 12 or under 13s in the week of the grandfinal our manager passed away. We went to the funeral on the day of the game. it was simply to much we could hardly do anything right. Obviously Collingwood are more professional than under 12s ( I hope) but calls of "do it for Len' do not always help a player perform.
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Geez - what about this poor bastard - Lohnro fan AND a cats supporter - certainly not a great coincidence of history to have on your side.
Having said that - would take a choke of Lohnro type performance for the cats to go down here.
Azzballz Deluxe
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People are seriously overrating collingwood on this thread.
Sure, this game will be a BIG game, but not necessarily a GOOD game. IMO, if the pies beat the cats (cats choke), port will most likely thrash em. Hey, even the kanga's would have at least a 50/50 shot against them.
If the cats play anywhere near thier best, they will slaughter colliwood.
And whats all this about the cats being major chokers? I didn't realize colligwood were major over-achievers
Sure, this game will be a BIG game, but not necessarily a GOOD game. IMO, if the pies beat the cats (cats choke), port will most likely thrash em. Hey, even the kanga's would have at least a 50/50 shot against them.
If the cats play anywhere near thier best, they will slaughter colliwood.
And whats all this about the cats being major chokers? I didn't realize colligwood were major over-achievers
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It can definitely make a difference, and it's the reason that I mentioned that Collingwood has the edge in playing and winning two high pressure and sudden death finals this season, while Geelong have not played in a sudden death match of any sort since their loss to Sydney at the SCG in the 2005 Semi Final. Geelong have been very good when they've been three games clear on top and cruising through matches.
Yes that's true, but I'm sure that Collingwood would still like to show that the All-Australian snub wasn't a compliment, and what could be a better way of showing that than beating nearly half of the All-Australian team on Friday?
Okay, but how is this unique to Geelong? I don't think they've been tested very often this season. The last time was when they lost to Port Adelaide. Previous to that, Adelaide got within 7 points in Round 11.
But again, they haven't been tested this season. To win at all costs is best determined when they are truly challenged, or to fight for victory in difficult circumstances. It's the reason that Mick Malthouse was so critical after the Round 15 loss to Geelong because Collingwood didn't do that.
Yes they are playing together more now than in 2006, but they also have not been challenged and have dictated terms in 2007, but it doesn't mean they they're immune to slipping into old habits at any given time. If Collingwood are to win, then they have to apply constant pressure from the start in an attempt to put Geelong into a position they have not been in this season at all.
Collingwood have a good recent record against Geelong and match-up well, so I'm sure they will be confident enough to give it a go. I have faith in the Collingwood coaching staff to throw caution to the wind and make changes during a match when needed. Geelong have not had to take risks from the coaches box this season.
Geelong have had the luxury of knowing there is 'next week' and they've been safe in top spot for most of this season. There isn't a next week for the loser now, and Collingwood have shown they can handle that 'do or die' pressure extremely well because they've had to fight often to get this far.
Yes they do, and it's one of the reasons that Collingwood will be confident of causing the biggest upset in recent history. I'm sure they realise that if they get off to a similar start as they did when the teams played each other under lights at the MCG in 2006, then they could win.
It will be interesting to see if Geelong has lost any momentum from the week off as often teams start slowly following a bye, and it can sometimes take a week to recapture form. There isn't next week this time though, and Collingwood have been great on the MCG and under lights.
There are a number of reasons of course. They're a very good team. They've dictated terms from the beginning of matches. They have not been challenged often and have yet to feel the intense pressure of a sudden death final.
I'm sure they have the desire to succeed, just as I'm sure Collingwood desire the ultimate this season now as well, particularly after the Grand Final losses of 2002-03 and the impending retirements of two or three great players.
haywood jablome
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^^^ She is starting againCan you imagine getting in an argument with her lol... Run for the hills is my advice, she would bore you to death with her dribble
This is spot on, the Pies will crush the confidence out of the Cats who will choke appallingly.
haywood jablome
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Bookmarked. I have an egg lined up for your face at 11:00pm Friday night, clean the clearasil of it first for me though.
Hoffy95
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haywood jablome
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Yer we have no ability, just 9 players named in the AA team compared to Collingwoods massive 0.Spot on, we haven't won a game on ability yet
Optimax
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if ou midfield and b graders as no one from geelong rates thomas, pendelbury, didak, davis and co could beat sydney and west coast clearnce specialist teams (dont give me any shit about Cu\ousins, Judd, kerr stenglen, priddis selwood are first line midfielders anywhere else) i have no doubt we'll break even at least in clearnces rember also we didnt have fraser against wc who is our best ruckman.
So i wouldnt be worried about our midfield and middle teir players watch last weeks game they stand up when it counts and clear centre clearences are coming easier for us than i can ever remeber right now.
Optimax
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mate your team is flying on confidence you have very good players, but no one has taken the game too you yet.
If we come out hard like we did against sydney and west coast and your boys think they should walk over us who knows how they will react, we've taken the best hits from sydney and west coast and we are still standing the roos didnt fire a shot against you theerw as no pressure they was no aggression from them, so right now now we dont know how the cats will react?
will mooney crack the shits?,
will steve johnson get goal hungry?,
what does ablett do when his tagger runs him into the ground and gets as much of the ball?
All questions unanswered now by no means am i saying we are a certainty but we have a hell of a lot more chance than what we are getting credit for
For what it's worth, I rate Collingwood and certianly don't believe they'll be a pushover. But, I'm amazed how often opposition fans say we haven't been tested yet. Do you really think in 23 games of football all of our wins have resulted from the opposition rolling over and not firing a shot?
Optimax
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no i meant mpore the fianl against the kangas and the last 8 weeks or so apart from port who won at skilled when did a team land a shot on you or fire a shot on you?
Hoffy95
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Teams did try and fire shots, but failed, simple as that. We weren't challenged in many of those games because we were too good.
The Kangaroos tried, in fact, they tried 45 before the start of the game when they ran through our warm-up. The first quarter in that game was tight and the Kangaroos went in hard with Leigh Brown flattening Ling. I think they asked the question of Geelong who were only in front by about a goal at quarter time. Cats responded by putting their heads over the ball and going in harder.
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