Geelong vs Collingwood - 2011 Grand Final

[Sasuke]

Its the grand final that needed to happen! For mine, the first quarter and half will tell where the game is at. If the cats control the centre square and inside 50's, the pies will lose by 8 goals. If its tight, and even in terms of time in forward half then it will be a classic.

For mine, Geelong are in form and playing great football. Collingwood have not had the pressure recently to hurt their opponents whilst our spread has been poor and individual players are not in form. Saying that, they showed that they were a champion team with some amazing efforts in the last quarter against the hawks. Whilst Cats are a bit stronger bodied, i would not be surprised if theres some fights early in this game as the Pies will be fired up.

interestingly, The cats are probly the only team in the league where it suits collingwood to have a low scoring game. The player who worries me the most in the Geelong team is Bartel. Hes a champion and would be my pick for the norm smith. Maxwell is a big in for the pies because he helps to organise the defense.

 

[Paddywhackers]

Often players take there form into the next game, some very inportant players have found form. Cloke, Dawes, Sidey, Maxwell etc. Even Jolly had a very good game and I think he will be right to go next week.

Pies will take that last quarter into Saturdays game.

 

[shaqsuns]

cant wait for next weekend in both codes of footy in Australia. the cats are looking awsome at the moment and most people are saying they will win but I'm not so sure. The pies looked slow and burnt out on Friday night a bit like the cats did in 08 but in my mind there still the best team in the comp. So in saying that I look back at the results from the last 5 games they played against each other cats are up 3-2 with one game being a meaningless blow out when the pies put the cue in the rack. So picking a winner I'm going to say Geelong by 2 points in what will be one of the best ever grand finals.... jimmy Bartel to get back to his best with thee norm smith..... and in the cross code rivals go new zealand in one of the biggest upsets in nrl history.

 

[ReebusMaximus]

If Hawthorns defense can hold your team, Geelongs can.

This.

Our defence was dominant yesterday against West Coast's tall timber.

With an injury cloud over Jolly and Ottens and West in brilliant form, i suspect our midfield to dominate the clearances and the Cats to smash the Pies in inside 50's.
It will come down to how well we can convert and unfortunately yesterday didn't fill me with confidence in that department. We need to take our chances against a quality side like the pies because you know that 100%, they'll be taking theirs, despite the above.

 

[PowerOfThePussy]

Collingwood's got Geelong's measure when it matters. Expect another pants pulling performance ala last years prelim.
nom nom nom

2007 prelim - Mattered
2009 prelim - Mattered

Just like last year's prelim mattered.

We are ready - Bring it!

 

[Normy132]

I'm not expecting the talls to have a huge impact on this game as is the case in most grand finals. If one of them (Cloke/Dawes/Hawkins/Pods) gets a hold of their opponent then that team should win.

 

[entourage]

Ottens in brilliant form? He was pretty bad vs west coast I thought, I expect the talls from both teams to be pretty well negated, both sides have solid KPDs to shut down their opponent, as said previous it will depend on the delivery to such forwards and how well the in50s can be contained and converted from

 

[The Rusty Clam]

Ottens in brilliant form? He was pretty bad vs west coast I thought, I expect the talls from both teams to be pretty well negated, both sides have solid KPDs to shut down their opponent, as said previous it will depend on the delivery to such forwards and how well the in50s can be contained and converted from

He was average against West Coast, but he was BOG against Hawthorn. He'll be a huge factor on gf day in the ruck and rotating up forward, especially if Jolly is out.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

This.

Our defence was dominant yesterday against West Coast's tall timber.

With an injury cloud over Jolly and Ottens and West in brilliant form, i suspect our midfield to dominate the clearances and the Cats to smash the Pies in inside 50's.
It will come down to how well we can convert and unfortunately yesterday didn't fill me with confidence in that department. We need to take our chances against a quality side like the pies because you know that 100%, they'll be taking theirs, despite the above.

It was more our midfield had a poor game and Hawthorn's grunt got on top of us in the first three quarters. It wasn't surprising that once Swan/Pendlebury/Ball started appearing everywhere that we turned it around. At the end of the day, the clearances and inside 50s will be the difference. But even more so, the pressure.

 

[Paddywhackers]

Ottens in brilliant form? He was pretty bad vs west coast I thought, I expect the talls from both teams to be pretty well negated, both sides have solid KPDs to shut down their opponent, as said previous it will depend on the delivery to such forwards and how well the in50s can be contained and converted from

Ottens was insipid against WC. West presented and competed, but his disposal was horrid. Jolly's last game was much better than Ottens, and he is probably going to play on Saturday too. Both are guns, but the form of these two guys is now vastly different to how they went in Round 24.

 

[candiehappy]

Ottens was insipid against WC. West presented and competed, but his disposal was horrid. Jolly's last game was much better than Ottens, and he is probably going to play on Saturday too. Both are guns, but the form of these two guys is now vastly different to how they went in Round 24.

I would hardly say "insipid", and a proven finals player over 5 years. Question mark over Jolly's fitness to see out the entire game.

 

[Sasuke]

Ottens has the ability to dominate the match which i dont believe Jolly has. A massive positive for the Cats. Collingwood have really suffered with the spare man in our forward 50 recently and i believe if we allow Geelong to do this we will get killed. The good teams know to hit up targets on their half back flanks to avoid our press being effective. We need to create contested ball in our forward 50 and we are great from stoppages in our attacking zone. I would be thinking about having Goldsack in for defensive cover and also to play as a defensive forward to ensure we get even numbers and as little defensive marks as possible.

I honestly think the cats gameplan is better than ours, and the way for us to win is to make as many one on one contest as possible, to limit uncontested football and rely on the quality of our individual players to win the contest.

I have this as a 60-40% game with Geelong favourites, but im so excited for it!

 

[candiehappy]

Trent West as our 2nd ruck/resting forward has really shown positives, especially after we lost Vardy.

I still think that it's 50 : 50 on the outcome. It's possible to make arguments for either team, and half the tipsters will be wise after the event

 

[Bartel]

If Ottens + West wins the ruck contest, Geelong win. That's the way I see it.

 

[bulletproof]

It is a little pointless making predictions, two great sides, coming off dominant seasons. Collingwood thrashed Geelong last year but Geelong has sinced turned them over twice (and bossed them before the Prelim Result).

There is strong arguments for both sides. It may be glib but I just hope both sides play off in a final befitting of these two champion teams (and Geelong win....).

 

[bulletproof]

The biggest thing in Colloingwood's favour is that Pendlebury, Thomas and Swan are better than their three Geelong rivals. They are genuine matchwinners.

Geelong's matchwinners are more flankers and key position players (Scarlett, Enright, Ottens and Pods).

I think midfielders can control the game and not let the key position players into the game, more so than the reverse.

Geelong's midfielders are no mugs of course, just not as good as those three.

 

[Mister Dog]

Re: Geeloand vs Collingwood - 2011 Grand Final

Both teams are cooked.
This game will be all about tackling, pressure and run & spread.

I believe it will be a repeat of the 2008 GF and Collingwood will ice the game at the 28 minute mark of the 3rd quarter and eventually run out victors by 30 points.

Collingwood are already playing at GF intensity after friday night, whereas Geelong played an apathetic WC with no pressure (49 tackles laid)

I expect their corridor Hollywood football will come undone under monstrous pressure from the Pies resulting in one-on-one contests in the pies forwardline.


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[Mister Dog]

The biggest thing in Colloingwood's favour is that Pendlebury, Thomas and Swan are better than their three Geelong rivals. They are genuine matchwinners.

Geelong's matchwinners are more flankers and key position players (Scarlett, Enright, Ottens and Pods).

I think midfielders can control the game and not let the key position players into the game, more so than the reverse.

Geelong's midfielders are no mugs of course, just not as good as those three.

Gotta disagree with this
Cats most import for mine are Selwood, Bartell & Kelly.
If Bartell is allowed to continuously chip in and take grabs Collingwood will struggle. You'd think they'd have someone like Wellingham lined up to try and stop this.
Selwood & Kelly are equal to Swan & Pendles at getting first hands on it and feeding it to the plethora of runners that the cats posess.

 

[HappyChappy35]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

It's hard to tell because Geelong hasn't had a hard match in ages! Round 22 was a bye. Round 23 was a loss at their home ground against a fired up Sydney. Round 24 was a soft match. Qualifying Final was a soft match. Then another bye. Preliminary Final was a soft match. Not the best preparation for a Grand Final.

By this logic Collingwood have had an equally soft run, as both Geelong and Collingwood have played fellow top 4 sides in their last three matches. Hardly 'soft' if you ask me, and the only thing this has shown is that Geelong have had a better ability to shut down opponents over the past month or so. Anyway, I don't read much into form, it will amount for zilch when the ball is bounced into the hallowed turf of the MCG at 2:30 on Saturday.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I'm not the most optimistic supporter but reckon Cats prep and form is better than Collingwoods.

Its hard to turn that round this late in season

 

[PowerOfThePussy]

Both teams are cooked.
This game will be all about tackling, pressure and run & spread.

I believe it will be a repeat of the 2008 GF and Collingwood will ice the game at the 28 minute mark of the 3rd quarter and eventually run out victors by 30 points.

Collingwood are already playing at GF intensity after friday night, whereas Geelong played an apathetic WC with no pressure (49 tackles laid)

I expect their corridor Hollywood football will come undone under monstrous pressure from the Pies resulting in one-on-one contests in the pies forwardline.


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I bookmarked your last post.

Went something like this:

"I personally cant see their hollywood corridor football holding up under the heat of the finals, especially the way Hawks, Pies, West Coast & Saints press."

Still wanna push that barrow?

 

[sk8er_in_town]

cats by 24 points
selwood first goal
ling norm smith (2 goals) good value at $67

GO CATS

 

[bulletproof]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

It's hard to tell because Geelong hasn't had a hard match in ages! Round 22 was a bye. Round 23 was a loss at their home ground against a fired up Sydney. Round 24 was a soft match. Qualifying Final was a soft match. Then another bye. Preliminary Final was a soft match. Not the best preparation for a Grand Final.

Geelong beating the same opponents more easily is not a reason to tip Collingwood.

There is lots of very good reasons why Collingwood will win (younger, faster, last year's Prelim), I don't think you need to invent Geelong's supposedly easy run in as a reason when they have played all the best teams in the League and won.

The Geelong V Hawthorn game was brutal for most of it, it was just we overcame them a quarter earlier than Collngwood did. That was not a easy fixture for Geelong.

 

[10571z]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

People are writing off collingwood. Last years prelims 2 massive wins and an eventual massive gf win!

This years different but in the last quarter against hawks we played like last years final team. Who is to say we cant bring that out for 4 quarters on Saturday.

Form eventually changes no one can explain why ( not long ago people wrote off geelong after Sydney loss) then it switched around. We have had a few low games (which we have won) but by god this Saturday we could switch on and it will be awesome.

Mick has announced he will never coach again which will only spur us on more. Cant wait!

 

[Adam Selwood]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

Will be supporting Geelong - but still think Collingwood will win

Swan and Pendlebury will be the difference

Geelong's skills are sublime but they won't have an easy path out of defence as they did on the weekend against Collingwood

Geelong also lack goalkickers if Johnson doesn't play

Either way, should be an incredible game. A cliche, but this one has definitely been 5 years in the making