No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 6

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[CD Xbow]

Sadly, none of this is new and accountability in 'all media' is rarely a consideration or a requirement as, despite often suggesting otherwise, they nearly always hide behind the content being presented as 'opinion'...

Cornes and most other representatives of the 'AFL media' all undertake the same modus operandi specifically during this time of the year - whereas they create opinion based talking points for the sake of having talking points to try and maintain an audience in the off-season. Rinse and repeat every off-season...

It's really not much different during the season proper, as the AFL media has generally involved into a circle jerk of mainly speculative opinion for the creation of content to support the ludicrous amount of pre and post game presentations and regular weekly footy shows.
I'm obviously in the minority as there must be market to sustain this..?

I reckon this one from David King on Fox Sports is worse AFL trade news 2021: Hawthorn trading out veterans, make deals or face eight-year rebuild, David King, analysis, Hawks problems (foxsports.com.au) It's just nonsense.

 

[deanc]

I reckon this one from David King on Fox Sports is worse AFL trade news 2021: Hawthorn trading out veterans, make deals or face eight-year rebuild, David King, analysis, Hawks problems (foxsports.com.au) It's just nonsense.

Not even going to open the link, as I've simply zero interest in what King or other AFL media buffoons report during this period, unless it's actual outcomes..?

 

[chopflop]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-premiership-memorabilia-20211010-p58ys0.html

Toot toot

 

[Millsie69]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-premiership-memorabilia-20211010-p58ys0.html

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Absolute oxygen thief!

 

[Hawkboy62]

SOS backing Zac Williams to be one of the best half-back flankers in the AFL if he has a strong pre-season. He would say that wouldn't he, having recruited him on 800k pa. Carlton have two dashing half-back flanker on big dollars but both he and Saad only want to run one way. One of the reasons Saad left the Bombers was that he resented having to play a lockdown role at times.

May need more popcorn next season with Vossy and these two "defenders". As the Carlton moderator said after 19 in a row:"Don't ever moan about 5 goal run-ons again."

 

[Pessimistic]

I reckon this one from David King on Fox Sports is worse AFL trade news 2021: Hawthorn trading out veterans, make deals or face eight-year rebuild, David King, analysis, Hawks problems (foxsports.com.au) It's just nonsense.

hard rebuilds guarantee a 7-8 year rebuild. Once your age demographic falls, you aren’t a contender, and because we’re the hawks, the media won’t jizz over our ‘young side’

refresh while staying in the premiership age demographic. Which is a mix of trading and drafting, but maybe a year or two leaning back to the draft to counterbalance the last few years?. But don’t refuse a great trade if one comes up.

 

[H00t]

hard rebuilds guarantee a 7-8 year rebuild. Once your age demographic falls, you aren’t a contender, and because we’re the hawks, the media won’t jizz over our ‘young side’

refresh while staying in the premiership age demographic. Which is a mix of trading and drafting, but maybe a year or two leaning back to the draft to counterbalance the last few years?. But don’t refuse a great trade if one comes up.

Both have their positives and negatives. Harder rebuilds take longer but much more likely to set you up for sustained success if they work. Plus you spend more time at the bottom.

Refreshing you stay competitive but you don’t get to the potential highs of a hard rebuild but also don’t reach the lows. Instead try to pinch a flag or two.

Harder rebuild are riskier in that you might bottom out for an extended stretch. But if you get it right you can win a number of flags

 

[Ashman23]

North are piss weak if they don't nominate Daicos at first pick. The Pies are 100% committed to taking him so there's no chance in them declining to match.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Who are the free agents next year? Anyone worth a look?

 

[Lickmesocks]

North are piss weak if they don't nominate Daicos at first pick. The Pies are 100% committed to taking him so there's no chance in them declining to match.

Does being called out with pick 1 provide more income for that player in the first year?

 

[Steven Tyler]

Does being called out with pick 1 provide more income for that player in the first year?

$10,000 more

 

[kenneje]

Who are the free agents next year? Anyone worth a look?

Touk Miller a big one, but he isn't going anywhere. LOVES the Gold Coast.

 

[KermitJagger]

$10,000 more

I think they get some sort of congratulations package too? Or at least they did at one stage.

 

[theiaofseed]

Who are the free agents next year? Anyone worth a look?

I doubt we will be looking at any FA with Sicily and Howe both being FA next year, could net a some pretty picks for them.

 

[MrPremiership]

Who are the free agents next year? Anyone worth a look?

Darcy Moore the big one.

De Goey too

 

[ML4Hodgy]

Who are the free agents next year? Anyone worth a look?

This was from AFL.com last month. Some good names, but nobody who springs to mind as likely to leave…
Adelaide – N/A
Brisbane – Darcy Gardiner, Daniel McStay, Ryan Lester
Carlton – Liam Jones
Collingwood – Jordan De Goey, Jamie Elliott, Brayden Maynard, Darcy Moore, Steele Sidebottom
Essendon – Dyson Heppell, Michael Hurley, Kyle Langford
Fremantle – Alex Pearce
Geelong – Tom Hawkins, Luke Dahlhaus
Gold Coast – Touk Miller
Greater Western Sydney – Callan Ward
Hawthorn – Jack Gunston, James Sicily, Liam Shiels
Melbourne – Angus Brayshaw, Christian Petracca, Tom McDonald
North Melbourne – Ben Cunnington, Todd Goldstein
Port Adelaide – Karl Amon, Travis Boak
Richmond – Jayden Short, Kane Lambert, Trent Cotchin
St Kilda – Daniel McKenzie
Sydney – Isaac Heeney, Jake Lloyd
West Coast – Luke Shuey, Nic Naitanui, Tom Barrass, Jackson Nelson
Western Bulldogs – Caleb Daniel, Jack Macrae, Toby McLean

 

[Millsie69]

This was from AFL.com last month. Some good names, but nobody who springs to mind as likely to leave…
Adelaide – N/A
Brisbane – Darcy Gardiner, Daniel McStay, Ryan Lester
Carlton – Liam Jones
Collingwood – Jordan De Goey, Jamie Elliott, Brayden Maynard, Darcy Moore, Steele Sidebottom
Essendon – Dyson Heppell, Michael Hurley, Kyle Langford
Fremantle – Alex Pearce
Geelong – Tom Hawkins, Luke Dahlhaus
Gold Coast – Touk Miller
Greater Western Sydney – Callan Ward
Hawthorn – Jack Gunston, James Sicily, Liam Shiels
Melbourne – Angus Brayshaw, Christian Petracca, Tom McDonald
North Melbourne – Ben Cunnington, Todd Goldstein
Port Adelaide – Karl Amon, Travis Boak
Richmond – Jayden Short, Kane Lambert, Trent Cotchin
St Kilda – Daniel McKenzie
Sydney – Isaac Heeney, Jake Lloyd
West Coast – Luke Shuey, Nic Naitanui, Tom Barrass, Jackson Nelson
Western Bulldogs – Caleb Daniel, Jack Macrae, Toby McLean

Amon would be good, but we've really missed the boat there when we could've got him as steak knives in the Wingard deal.

Now one of the best wingers in the comp.

 

[almuz]

Nuts how some teams that weren't good enough over the past few seasons are just sitting on their hands this offseason

Lions and Port in particular aren't going to get any closer by doing nothing - gotta be proactive and look for a KPF in Port's case and another 40 goal a year forward in Brissie's case

 

[smeltitdeltit]

North are piss weak if they don't nominate Daicos at first pick. The Pies are 100% committed to taking him so there's no chance in them declining to match.

Nah. More LOLs at the fact they could have had Daicos AND pick 2

 

[Pessimistic]

Both have their positives and negatives. Harder rebuilds take longer but much more likely to set you up for sustained success if they work. Plus you spend more time at the bottom.

Refreshing you stay competitive but you don’t get to the potential highs of a hard rebuild but also don’t reach the lows. Instead try to pinch a flag or two.

Harder rebuild are riskier in that you might bottom out for an extended stretch. But if you get it right you can win a number of flags

depends on if the board and admin can stay the course for 9 years. Wasn’t there a failed coup at the tigers just before their success?

didny Kennett want Clarko to coach box hill in his early years. Would kennet stick with Sammy for 7 years? (Hopefully kennet keeps his word and heleaves)

 

[Pessimistic]

Nuts how some teams that weren't good enough over the past few seasons are just sitting on their hands this offseason

Lions and Port in particular aren't going to get any closer by doing nothing - gotta be proactive and look for a KPF in Port's case and another 40 goal a year forward in Brissie's case

‘covid related salary cap issues?

 

[H00t]

depends on if the board and admin can stay the course for 9 years. Wasn’t there a failed coup at the tigers just before their success?

didny Kennett want Clarko to coach box hill in his early years. Would kennet stick with Sammy for 7 years? (Hopefully kennet keeps his word and heleaves)

Kennett wanted to sack Clarko in 2010 just after 2008. And I believe the Richmond attempted board spill was in 2016.

Both would have been mistakes but that is part of the risks. Though the reward is winning 6 out of 8 flags between those teams. While most other teams got nothing

 

[cryptor]

This was from AFL.com last month. Some good names, but nobody who springs to mind as likely to leave…
Adelaide – N/A
Brisbane – Darcy Gardiner, Daniel McStay, Ryan Lester
Carlton – Liam Jones
Collingwood – Jordan De Goey, Jamie Elliott, Brayden Maynard, Darcy Moore, Steele Sidebottom
Essendon – Dyson Heppell, Michael Hurley, Kyle Langford
Fremantle – Alex Pearce
Geelong – Tom Hawkins, Luke Dahlhaus
Gold Coast – Touk Miller
Greater Western Sydney – Callan Ward
Hawthorn – Jack Gunston, James Sicily, Liam Shiels
Melbourne – Angus Brayshaw, Christian Petracca, Tom McDonald
North Melbourne – Ben Cunnington, Todd Goldstein
Port Adelaide – Karl Amon, Travis Boak
Richmond – Jayden Short, Kane Lambert, Trent Cotchin
St Kilda – Daniel McKenzie
Sydney – Isaac Heeney, Jake Lloyd
West Coast – Luke Shuey, Nic Naitanui, Tom Barrass, Jackson Nelson
Western Bulldogs – Caleb Daniel, Jack Macrae, Toby McLean

Few there we could make a big play for to fill a key defender spot given Hartigan won't have too many years left in him. Moore, McDonald, Barrass, Pearce.

 

[kenneje]

Nuts how some teams that weren't good enough over the past few seasons are just sitting on their hands this offseason

Lions and Port in particular aren't going to get any closer by doing nothing - gotta be proactive and look for a KPF in Port's case and another 40 goal a year forward in Brissie's case

14 for Gunston + 21/24 seems like one of the most obvious trades of all time, obviously without understanding the extent of Jacks back troubles and his willingness to relocate.

 

[almuz]

‘covid related salary cap issues?

Yep, would think it has to be a lack of cap space.

Still scope for teams to trade their picks for players (with the players' former team to pay some salary) - Brisbane in particular have lost out in big games three seasons in a row, something's gotta change