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I am not saying he isn't a good player, but he is not the best. Far from it.Kicked close to 50 goals last year. Pretty handy player.
Martin is the best player in the comp hand down.
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I am not saying he isn't a good player, but he is not the best. Far from it.Kicked close to 50 goals last year. Pretty handy player.
There is a reason he cleaned up last year.I am not saying he isn't a good player, but he is not the best. Far from it.
Martin is the best player in the comp hand down.
Hope he gets osteo pubis. Did i just say that or only think it?leaving that limp wristed drunk who wrote the article aside...
Joe Daniher is a fantastic footballer mate - in fact for Carlton right now - he would be a PERFECT get ahead of the other three you quote.
To wipe away your tears of joy?
He takes selfish options half the time
He butchers the ball half the time
He does flashy shit and people forget the shit kick he turned over few seconds earlier
Martin is a better footballer in every way except acceleration.
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All of this adds up to an AFL message to the umpires not to over umpire, to only pay the obvious ones. It was either last year or the year before that we began the season with an average of 25 free kicks per match across the first 4 rounds, and everyone was happy with it, saying it was good that the umps put away the whistle and let them play.
Put very simply, the AFL won't do it, because the perception is that while the players throw and drop the ball without repercussion - unless it's good theatre, ala a Cyril/Puopolo tackle - it's better than a 60-80 frees a match situation.
You are a naughty boy even thinking wot you may or may not have typedHope he gets osteo pubis. Did i just say that or only think it?
Agreed.Totally agree with what you are saying, but here in lies the problem. The governing body (AFL) are trying to perfect the game from the outer. They say they are proactive and not reactive. (Hang on a minute, Lindsay Thomas sliding in and breaking Rohan's leg - rule change, centre bounce rule change after the North v someone game where the centre bounce came out of the circle and straight to North who ended up kicking a goal and winning.)
The interpretation of the rules changes every 6 weeks, not because of the umpires but because of the governing body trying to fix the game from the outer. Watch last years GF, the centre bounce was never recalled even though at least 4 ball ups went out of the centre circle, now why would you change a rule that has been in vogue all year in the final game?
I love The Roar and a poster called Macca, his passion for anything Carlton is incredibleI wrote an article for The Roar, about half way through last year
I choose to watch the game.Dangerfield has been at the top of the tree for 4 years, Martin 1 year.
Yet in Martin's best ever year last season he had more clangers, more turnovers and a lower disposal efficiency than Danger despite Dangerfield averaging more possessions.
Both are great players, neither is overrated.
But Dangerfield is still number 1
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In 2015 Geelong finished 10th.Without Dangerfield, Adelaide got closer to winning the flag
With Dangerfield, Geelong are no closer to winning the flag
Agree but there needs to be consistency in the rules application. Pagan was once asked about rules changes at the start of a season and he replied, I’m paraphrasing here, my rule would be, no new rules for 5 years.The sooner umpies get more respect the better the game will be. For the 40 Billionth time let me lay it out: our game is virtually un-umpirable now. The speed, the grey areas in the rules, the pressure, the cameras, the divers.....even people who adjudicate at kid's level say it ain't no walk in the park. Umpires love the game too - the game has to love em back.
In 2015 Geelong finished 10th.
They recruited Dangerfield.
In 2016 they finished 2nd.
No offense intended here BP, but you're being part of the problem here.Totally agree with what you are saying, but here in lies the problem. The governing body (AFL) are trying to perfect the game from the outer. They say they are proactive and not reactive. (Hang on a minute, Lindsay Thomas sliding in and breaking Rohan's leg - rule change, centre bounce rule change after the North v someone game where the centre bounce came out of the circle and straight to North who ended up kicking a goal and winning.)
The interpretation of the rules changes every 6 weeks, not because of the umpires but because of the governing body trying to fix the game from the outer. Watch last years GF, the centre bounce was never recalled even though at least 4 ball ups went out of the centre circle, now why would you change a rule that has been in vogue all year in the final game?
He takes selfish options half the time
He butchers the ball half the time
He does flashy shit and people forget the shit kick he turned over few seconds earlier
Martin is a better footballer in every way except acceleration.
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Dangerfield has been at the top of the tree for 4 years, Martin 1 year.
Yet in Martin's best ever year last season he had more clangers, more turnovers and a lower disposal efficiency than Danger despite Dangerfield averaging more possessions.
Both are great players, neither is overrated.
But Dangerfield is still number 1
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I choose to watch the game.
Martin turns a "no options" situation into a goal scoring option
Dangerfield turns a "multiple options" situation into "go for glory"
Without Martin, Richmond had no chance of winning the flag
Without Dangerfield, Adelaide got closer to winning the flag
With Dangerfield, Geelong are no closer to winning the flag
Dangerfield is a gun, but I would take many player ahead of him... I see Martin as the best in the comp.
No offense intended here BP, but you're being part of the problem here.
This whole conversation began with comments about how the game is borderline in-umpirable these days, due to the combination of speed, congestion and limited perspective any individual umpire has over proceedings. The AFL are certainly trying to bring about better games via the vehicle of changing the rules, but the whole discussion around 'free of the week' is canted towards the perspective of 'leave the game alone, let the boys play'; all of it creating a climate in which, should the AFL/umpires try to change the game in such a way as discussed - paying incorrect disposal when a clear handpass/kick isn't obvious - they will immediately cop abuse along the lines of the above.
If the AFL wants to tinker, instead of the knee-jerk reaction force fed to us by the media - 'is this netball? tiggy-touchwood free kicks! Just let the boys play! Overumpiring, attention-seekers!' - let's instead just watch, and wait to see if measures succeed towards what they're trying to do. This creates a climate in which change - when it works - is possible, and will lead to a better spectacle.
Bit harsh putting Mckay in Fevola territory re-body language . Doesnt come anywhere near Fevola on that topic . He's played 2 games of senior regular season footy . Looked quite good v brisbane then injury struck again . Probably need to give him some more time before making those kind of statements yeah ?And that, right there is the issue. I think this bloke could be a (Luke Livingston sized) bust. I've heard more than once that he has a healthy opinion of himself, he has not earned it yet - and to boot has Fevolaesque body language on the ground.
Agree but there needs to be consistency in the rules application. Pagan was once asked about rules changes at the start of a season and he replied, I’m paraphrasing here, my rule would be, no new rules for 5 years.
Yep, quite harsh. I hope I’m wrong and will happily eat humble pie. I stand by the fact that he never deserved a game and was gifted 2 on potential. You’d normally expect a ripping month in the 2nds but we wanted to give him a taste. I watched him at the NBs and he seemed disinterested at best unless the ball was nearby - hence the body language.Bit harsh putting Mckay in Fevola territory re-body language . Doesnt come anywhere near Fevola on that topic . He's played 2 games of senior regular season footy . Looked quite good v brisbane then injury struck again . Probably need to give him some more time before making those kind of statements yeah ?
Yep, quite harsh. I hope I’m wrong and will happily eat humble pie. I stand by the fact that he never deserved a game and was gifted 2 on potential. You’d normally expect a ripping month in the 2nds but we wanted to give him a taste. I watched him at the NBs and he seemed disinterested at best unless the ball was nearby - hence the body language.
Anyway, I hope he proves me wrong...
I wonder what is the optimal number of free kicks in a game.Oh no, don't mistake me at all; I've been saying what you're saying for years. I wrote an article for The Roar, about half way through last year, saying that the simplest, cleanest way to clear the congestion is to pay more incorrect disposal frees, which would have a twofold effect, re-legitimizing the handball as well.
The problem is very much that people are told that the game is overumpired, over sanitized. They're told that frees are awarded, earnt, deserved, drawn; meaning that you've done something to obtain the free, when a free kick is compensation for the opposition breaking the rules not any kind of reward. We're told, by those older than we are, that the best era for footy was the 80's, and we contrast that with tales of players belting other blokes behind the ball, of the best players being the hardest, of breaking the rules and getting away with it. We hear about 'tiggy touchwood' free kicks, on talkback radio and social media; we hear of 'free kick of the week' every single week.
All of this adds up to an AFL message to the umpires not to over umpire, to only pay the obvious ones. It was either last year or the year before that we began the season with an average of 25 free kicks per match across the first 4 rounds, and everyone was happy with it, saying it was good that the umps put away the whistle and let them play.
Put very simply, the AFL won't do it, because the perception is that while the players throw and drop the ball without repercussion - unless it's good theatre, ala a Cyril/Puopolo tackle - it's better than a 60-80 frees a match situation.