No Oppo Supporters General AFL Discussion #11 - Carlton Posters ONLY!

[Gethelred]

like we didn't already know.......

11 AFL greats picked three stars to start a team from scratch. The results will surprise you

11 AFL greats picked 3 stars to start a team from scratch. The results were suprising

www.foxsports.com.au

I find it interesting how many people didn't go for forwards, or KPF's. Dusty makes sense, but no Franklin? No Kennedy?

Absolutely absurd flavour of the month ignorance. If the entire AFL were redrafted from their bottom age, Franklin would go first, followed by Dusty, then by Cripps, with the second two potentially flipped.

 

[Gethelred]

Charlie Dixon on SEN: It's "now or never" if the club is to win a premiership

Me: So, I guess it's never....

I'd be content with them making the grand final and losing it. That'd put a smile on my face.

 

[Gavstar]

Polly Farmer news is pretty shocking, looks like his death from dementia may have been due to CTE .

Journal article here

"his is the first confirmed case in ARF. CTE was associated with early-onset dementia, with neuropsychological features commonly described in pathologically confirmed CTE cases from other sports. Typical CTE pathology in this case was accompanied by intermediate AD-neuropathologic change, and severe small vessel disease"

Potentially game changing finding. In my view AFL will have to think to change the rules even further to minimise head contact... what would that look like? Need to ban the bump for one thing.

 

[Fabab]

Polly was 84 when he passed away which is a fair old age,obviously different sports will now look at ways of minimising head contact.

 

[Gavstar]

Polly was 84 when he passed away which is a fair old age,obviously different sports will now look at ways of minimising head contact.

"At age 64 he was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease (AD), with accompanying personality change, depression and anger/aggression issues around this time. He had been diagnosed with REM sleep behaviour disorder several years prior to his presumptive AD diagnosis"

So basically poorer quality of life from his early 60's?

 

[DangerousD]

Polly Farmer news is pretty shocking, looks like his death from dementia may have been due to CTE .

Journal article here

"his is the first confirmed case in ARF. CTE was associated with early-onset dementia, with neuropsychological features commonly described in pathologically confirmed CTE cases from other sports. Typical CTE pathology in this case was accompanied by intermediate AD-neuropathologic change, and severe small vessel disease"

Potentially game changing finding. In my view AFL will have to think to change the rules even further to minimise head contact... what would that look like? Need to ban the bump for one thing.

Banning the bump might happen down the track, but something that could and should happen a lot sooner, is mandatory rest periods for players concussed and an independent doctor to asses players.

 

[Gethelred]

Polly Farmer news is pretty shocking, looks like his death from dementia may have been due to CTE .

Journal article here

"his is the first confirmed case in ARF. CTE was associated with early-onset dementia, with neuropsychological features commonly described in pathologically confirmed CTE cases from other sports. Typical CTE pathology in this case was accompanied by intermediate AD-neuropathologic change, and severe small vessel disease"

Potentially game changing finding. In my view AFL will have to think to change the rules even further to minimise head contact... what would that look like? Need to ban the bump for one thing.

Hmmm...

Problem is that the bump is as intrinsic to the game as the tackle is. Perhaps the AFL could actually get around to properly penalising head high acts instead of head high acts with consequence, and things could change. A bump is at its most dangerous when it comes either without warning, or when it comes directed at the head. If the competition were to get properly serious about concussion and its consequences, they'd crack down on deliberate blindsighted acts by players, and they'd penalise any conduct which is either reckless or deliberate that ends up making contact with the head.

It would also help if the competition ceased glorifying the acts of thugs like Hodge, who when the game was going against him picked someone to take out of the play, and they stopped championing the 'only had eyes for the ball'. It's one thing to seek the ball with aggression, it's another thing to go in completely unprotected, and they need to make it abundantly clear to young players that their technique needs to reflect some means of defending oneself.

They'll do what they always do, though; make good noises, have 'rule of the week' -esque suspensions against small fries for the first few rounds while the superstars get off, and wait for it to fade into the background. Only way it becomes significant enough to create real change is if they make it too expensive for it not to; I think there's someone setting up a CTE class action against the AFL over this.

We'll see.

 

[Gethelred]

Banning the bump might happen down the track, but something that could and should happen a lot sooner, is mandatory rest periods for players concussed and an independent doctor to asses players.

Match-official doctors conducting the concussion test would be perfect.

 

[DangerousD]

Hmmm...

Problem is that the bump is as intrinsic to the game as the tackle is. Perhaps the AFL could actually get around to properly penalising head high acts instead of head high acts with consequence, and things could change. A bump is at its most dangerous when it comes either without warning, or when it comes directed at the head. If the competition were to get properly serious about concussion and its consequences, they'd crack down on deliberate blindsighted acts by players, and they'd penalise any conduct which is either reckless or deliberate that ends up making contact with the head.

It would also help if the competition ceased glorifying the acts of thugs like Hodge, who when the game was going against him picked someone to take out of the play, and they stopped championing the 'only had eyes for the ball'. It's one thing to seek the ball with aggression, it's another thing to go in completely unprotected, and they need to make it abundantly clear to young players that their technique needs to reflect some means of defending oneself.

They'll do what they always do, though; make good noises, have 'rule of the week' -esque suspensions against small fries for the first few rounds while the superstars get off, and wait for it to fade into the background. Only way it becomes significant enough to create real change is if they make it too expensive for it not to; I think there's someone setting up a CTE class action against the AFL over this.

We'll see.

Current class action pending against the AFL, led by John Barnes and Sean Smith, great episode of Insight,I think it was, where both appeared, worth a watch.

 

[Fabab]

"At age 64 he was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease (AD), with accompanying personality change, depression and anger/aggression issues around this time. He had been diagnosed with REM sleep behaviour disorder several years prior to his presumptive AD diagnosis"

So basically poorer quality of life from his early 60's?

Didn’t realise that mate,pretty sad for anyone diagnosed with that disease.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Hmmm...

Problem is that the bump is as intrinsic to the game as the tackle is. Perhaps the AFL could actually get around to properly penalising head high acts instead of head high acts with consequence, and things could change. A bump is at its most dangerous when it comes either without warning, or when it comes directed at the head. If the competition were to get properly serious about concussion and its consequences, they'd crack down on deliberate blindsighted acts by players, and they'd penalise any conduct which is either reckless or deliberate that ends up making contact with the head.

It would also help if the competition ceased glorifying the acts of thugs like Hodge, who when the game was going against him picked someone to take out of the play, and they stopped championing the 'only had eyes for the ball'. It's one thing to seek the ball with aggression, it's another thing to go in completely unprotected, and they need to make it abundantly clear to young players that their technique needs to reflect some means of defending oneself.

They'll do what they always do, though; make good noises, have 'rule of the week' -esque suspensions against small fries for the first few rounds while the superstars get off, and wait for it to fade into the background. Only way it becomes significant enough to create real change is if they make it too expensive for it not to; I think there's someone setting up a CTE class action against the AFL over this.

We'll see.

On a similar but different tangent, they are banning junior players in Soccer here in Australia from doinf/attempting headers for fear of concussion, neurological damage.

Personally I think it nonsense and an overkill reaction myself, heading the ball has been part and parcel of association football/soccer for generations..

 

[thylacine60]

I'd be content with them making the grand final and losing it. That'd put a smile on my face.

I can't hate on Port. Dammit I've tried......

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I can't hate on Port. Dammit I've tried......

Kane Cornes is probably the only real reason I can find to hate Port myself, bur even most Pear fans don't like him either these days.

Gotta be grateful to Port for developing Craig Bradley for us, Braddles was a favourite of mine as a child and then teenager.

Won even more respect for Braddles years later when he gave his 87 Premiership medal to best friend Peter Motley, whose Footy career was tragically cut short by by that horrific car accident..

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/21574/motley-inducted-into-sa-football-hall-of-fame

I wonder if we could have jagged another flag or two if fate wasn't so cruel to him, but its lovely to know he considers a passionate Carlton fan and person.

 

[Gethelred]

I can't hate on Port. Dammit I've tried......

That's okay. I've enough hate for Port for the two of us.

 

[FRUMPY]

Polly Farmer news is pretty shocking, looks like his death from dementia may have been due to CTE .

Journal article here

"his is the first confirmed case in ARF. CTE was associated with early-onset dementia, with neuropsychological features commonly described in pathologically confirmed CTE cases from other sports. Typical CTE pathology in this case was accompanied by intermediate AD-neuropathologic change, and severe small vessel disease"

Potentially game changing finding. In my view AFL will have to think to change the rules even further to minimise head contact... what would that look like? Need to ban the bump for one thing.

Probably wasnt, alot of people get dementia

 

[Gethelred]

On a similar but different tangent, they are banning junior players in Soccer here in Australia from doinf/attempting headers for fear of concussion, neurological damage.

Personally I think it nonsense and an overkill reaction myself, heading the ball has been part and parcel of association football/soccer for generations..

The question becomes, can you ban something at the bottom level that they're still going to be doing at the top with any kind of effectiveness?

I mean, they're clearly not going to ban headers at international level or in the EPL, and the kids who are watching are simply going to do it and ignore the rule outside of the games with the protective rules in place. As far as I'm concerned, it's like learning how to navigate a bouncer in cricket; you teach the correct technique, and you work with kids to prevent them hurting themselves, whilst slowly changing the rules to decrease the likelihood of one hitting you in the head and continuing to update technology to improve helmets etc.

But then, they can go right ahead. I don't like soccer anyway, so anything that makes an already soft sport softer is gravy for me.

 

[thylacine60]

That's okay. I've enough hate for Port for the two of us.

At least they're a legit club not the wannabe satellite result of a vapid afl wet dream.....

 

[ferrisb]

Just saw this on the main board.

#AndrewWalkerLegacy

 

[Gethelred]

At least they're a legit club not the wannabe satellite result of a vapid afl wet dream.....

Maybe not, but Port Adelaide being terrible or juuuust not good enough is perfectly adequate for me.

 

[navybluesince75]

Kane Cornes is probably the only real reason I can find to hate Port myself, bur even most Pear fans don't like him either these days.

Gotta be grateful to Port for developing Craig Bradley for us, Braddles was a favourite of mine as a child and then teenager.

Won even more respect for Braddles years later when he gave his 87 Premiership medal to best friend Peter Motley, whose Footy career was tragically cut short by by that horrific car accident..

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/21574/motley-inducted-into-sa-football-hall-of-fame

I wonder if we could have jagged another flag or two if fate wasn't so cruel to him, but its lovely to know he considers a passionate Carlton fan and person.

 

[Gavstar]

Probably wasnt, alot of people get dementia

Yeah like boxers and NFL players..... whats that river in Eygpt called?

 

[Gavstar]

On a similar but different tangent, they are banning junior players in Soccer here in Australia from doinf/attempting headers for fear of concussion, neurological damage.

Personally I think it nonsense and an overkill reaction myself, heading the ball has been part and parcel of association football/soccer for generations..

CTE has shown up in professional soccer players though these were professionals heading balls for many many years. The old style balls would have been much much heavier especially when wet. Guessing concussion rates would be a lot lower in soccer than AFL.

 

[DangerousD]

On a similar but different tangent, they are banning junior players in Soccer here in Australia from doinf/attempting headers for fear of concussion, neurological damage.

Personally I think it nonsense and an overkill reaction myself, heading the ball has been part and parcel of association football/soccer for generations..

There is nothing rude in my response EJ, but what qualifications do you to have to decide it’s nonsense?

The heading bans are coming in, all across Europe, the States and Australia, after strong evidence from studies done from UEFA.

The major study showed professional Soccer players have a 3.5 times higher chance of dyeing of brain disease and are 5 times more likely to develop Alzheimer’s.

 

[DangerousD]

The question becomes, can you ban something at the bottom level that they're still going to be doing at the top with any kind of effectiveness?

I mean, they're clearly not going to ban headers at international level or in the EPL, and the kids who are watching are simply going to do it and ignore the rule outside of the games with the protective rules in place. As far as I'm concerned, it's like learning how to navigate a bouncer in cricket; you teach the correct technique, and you work with kids to prevent them hurting themselves, whilst slowly changing the rules to decrease the likelihood of one hitting you in the head and continuing to update technology to improve helmets etc.

But then, they can go right ahead. I don't like soccer anyway, so anything that makes an already soft sport softer is gravy for me.

I’d say that that the measures put in place all across the world in relation to heading the ball are just a stepping stone to more meaningful change.

I can only assume the measures that are being implemented are designed to minimise exposure at the most vulnerable levels and to soften up the general public.

 

[DangerousD]

CTE has shown up in professional soccer players though these were professionals heading balls for many many years. The old style balls would have been much much heavier especially when wet. Guessing concussion rates would be a lot lower in soccer than AFL.

A quote from a study from the university of Glasgow, from a study of around 7,600 former professionals (not sure of age) and 23,000 members of the public.

According to the report, former professionals were 3.5 times as likely as a member of the public to die from brain disease and, more specifically, five times more likely to die of Alzheimer’s, four times more likely to die of motor neurone disease and twice as likely to die of Parkinson’s.

Has the AFL had any organisation do such research? I’m quite concerned and interested what’s going to happen as I can see it being just as bad, if not worse.