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I think I'm now shy of pursuing him. Once bitten, twice shy (due to the whole Jaeger experience). Burst speed is particularly important for him, and this won't help.
To be fair JOM ruptured his patella tendon and I'm pretty sure has never actually done an ACL. In Bailey's case I don't think an ACL is going to dampen his recovery especially combined with the fact that he'll hit his recovery religiously. From all reports he's pretty OCD when it comes to his training which will aid him so if anything they'll probably need to hold him back.
 

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People are aware Sicily did an ACL a few years back, yeah?

Anyway, I know they're really not but preseason injuries feel so much worse than in season injuries to me. Like it's wasted effort or something like that? Dunno can't really explain it. So I'm feeling worse for BSmith now than I would be if he did it in the 3rd quarter of round 15. I wish him well and free of complications.
 
Oh - on future AA KPD Chaz Comben

Wasn't he being touted as a future KPF and part of a future twin towers type setup?

Has he gone back to cover megabux McKay leaving in reality?

(I'm not really across North. Only watched them once last year when we dispatched them. I mean why would I watch more of them?)
 
Oh - on future AA KPD Chaz Comben

Wasn't he being touted as a future KPF and part of a future twin towers type setup?

Has he gone back to cover megabux McKay leaving in reality?

(I'm not really across North. Only watched them once last year when we dispatched them. I mean why would I watch more of them?)
Well Benny Hill is not on tv anymore (maybe rightly so) so you could watch Nth for the laughs & stupid decision making, it would be a bit like watching Benny Hill
 
Well Benny Hill is not on tv anymore (maybe rightly so) so you could watch Nth for the laughs & stupid decision making, it would be a bit like watching Benny Hill
someone represent GIF

Time trial at North?
 
Terrible news for smith and the dogs. For a guy who relies on pace and movement you’d hope it doesn’t affect him long term.

A lot of luck in football at times. Imagine if we’d pulled trigger for a huge trade for smith and then he did an acl?
 
I wouldn’t be jumping too far up and down about Smith re value etc.

How many times have we seen long term injured players quietly sign a small contract extension as they undergo rehab? Heaps.

Club feels obligated to help the player, player feels obligated to repay the club and teammates who they haven’t contributed on field with for a season.

Further, rehab is beyond just the year they sit out. It’s managed by club doctors well into their return to playing, and players like continuity here.

Honestly think there’s a good chance he stays at dogs for at least another year now.
 
I wouldn’t be jumping too far up and down about Smith re value etc.

How many times have we seen long term injured players quietly sign a small contract extension as they undergo rehab? Heaps.

Club feels obligated to help the player, player feels obligated to repay the club and teammates who they haven’t contributed on field with for a season.

Further, rehab is beyond just the year they sit out. It’s managed by club doctors well into their return to playing, and players like continuity here.

Honestly think there’s a good chance he stays at dogs for at least another year now.
For sure, at least until free Agency which is the end of the year he should be back I believe.

I also don't think it'll do much for his value either. Sic came back from an ACL and was better than ever before, the 18 months they keep blokes out of footy for now seems to see them return as good as ever.
 
Smith ain't coming any cheaper despite the injury, so I don't know why people are even suggesting it in a tragic period of time for the young man.

He is one of the most diligent athletes in the entire competition. The chances of this changing him as a footballer are very low. Who was the last ACL victim to never return as the same player?

He will attack this rehab so intensely it wouldn't surprise me if the 'could Smith return if the Dogs make finals' narrative starts by the mid-way point of the season.
 

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Sucks for him and the doggies the most because of the next 12 months. Not sure it moves the needle that much for us. Well either value him or not. It’s not like it will turn the trade from pick 4 to 22, more likely it will go from 4 to 10 and it will be up to us to find a way to make it work (he’s contracted). It’s December 2023 still. They’ll knowing weather the surgery and rehab is looking good before trade time. An ACL isn’t as anywhere near the problem it was 20 years ago.

*im not a doctor and none of the above is medical advice
 
For sure, at least until free Agency which is the end of the year he should be back I believe.

I also don't think it'll do much for his value either. Sic came back from an ACL and was better than ever before, the 18 months they keep blokes out of footy for now seems to see them return as good as ever.
Yeah, not sure I agree. The reoccurrence rate on ACLs is high enough that it would affect his value, especially given his last season wasn’t fantastic.
 
preseason injuries feel so much worse than in season injuries to me. Like it's wasted effort or something like that? Dunno can't really explain it. So I'm feeling worse for BSmith now than I would be if he did it in the 3rd quarter of round 15. I wish him well and free of complications.

No, you’re absolutely right. I still have PTSD from Tom Mitchell broken leg.
 
Yeah, not sure I agree. The reoccurrence rate on ACLs is high enough that it would affect his value, especially given his last season wasn’t fantastic.
Sure, if they were still rushing players back after 12 months. The difference is that players are now brought back slower, with 12 months of injury rehabilitation and another 6 months minimum of strength training, resolution of muscular imbalances and fixing altered movement patterns. The risk of reinjury is nothing like it used to be.
 
I might be in the minority but whilst acknowledging there is no good time to do a knee I think this time of year is probably the best one. Write off a season you haven’t started and prepare for the one after with a solid rehab plan with plenty of time allowances for unforeseen set backs. Hopefully there are no setbacks and you can move form rehab to improvement in areas that need it and come back a better athlete than before.
 
I'm absolutely gutted for Smith and seriously wish him the best.

But at the same time, just saying, if any party stands to end up benefitting from this awful turn of events, I sure hope that party is us.

(Am I allowed to think that?)
Not according to some clowns on here acting like he’s died- obviously sad news but it’s just a knee injury- he’ll be back and if we benefit from a cheaper trade, its a win for us
 
No it’s not, it’s a fact, however brutal it may be

It’s not a fact as multiple people have pointed out. Kinda weird that people here are of the perception that an ACL ‘halves’ someone’s trade value when you look at what we paid for O’Meara.
 
No it’s not, it’s a fact, however brutal it may be

Why is it a fact?

Do you really believe the Western Bulldogs will be left in a 'take what we can get' situation if Smith opts for a trade? He's still only going to be turning 24 years of age. Perhaps the demand for 2 first rounders won't be as strong, but it will still be MINIMUM a first round pick and then some.

Christian Petracca and James Sicily are two players who spring to mind immediately who people could easily forget also suffered ACL reconstructions.
 
I might be in the minority but whilst acknowledging there is no good time to do a knee I think this time of year is probably the best one. Write off a season you haven’t started and prepare for the one after with a solid rehab plan with plenty of time allowances for unforeseen set backs. Hopefully there are no setbacks and you can move form rehab to improvement in areas that need it and come back a better athlete than before.
It also gives a player a.year out of bubble of football, away from the day to day pressure. I think that can help some players get perspective
 
Sure, if they were still rushing players back after 12 months. The difference is that players are now brought back slower, with 12 months of injury rehabilitation and another 6 months minimum of strength training, resolution of muscular imbalances and fixing altered movement patterns. The risk of reinjury is nothing like it used to be.
Over the last 7-8 years you've started to see athletes in major American sports hire their own doctors from the teams they play for who have been working off of a different timeline to the team doctors. The athlete's doctor these days seem to almost always promote the 18 months now and as you say I think that extra 6 months leans towards ironing out the muscular imbalances. Teams will always be inclined to bring back players as soon as possible and as much as they will say they have the players health as priority having them sit on the pine doesn't bring on field results.
 

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