Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Anything we say in this forum is our opinion though... unless its a direct quote. Maybe we should all just preface each others posts with IMO in our heads.

Absolutely, but there's ways to present an opinion.

Take a guy like David King. He's so polarising because he presents his opinions like he's preaching from the gospel.

If you agree with them, you love him. If you disagree with them, many despise him because it's so forthright in its delivery and it leaves little room for any opposing views.

It's the same with Dermott Brereton and Kane Cornes, and pretty much any media figure who gets the 'You either love them or hate them tag'.

On the other side, take a guy like Adam Cooney.

Doesn't get a lot right, and doesn't claim he does either. Just giving his 2 cents worth, but happy to hear what anyone has to say, and doesn't believe his opinion is worth any more than anyone else.

You'd be surprised how much presentation of one's views can shape public opinion.

It's a huge part of it, and it's why guys like Lingy are so careful with their words and get branded as 'fence-sitters' while trying to be inoffensive.

 

[year of the cat]

The deal will get done for 24 and maybe a swap of steak knives. It is all posturing. Six days to go...

It will end with a swap of their F3 with our F4 or something similar.

 

[Rubberducky]

Back to Sav. Seems that everyone in the world bar Mackie and co think 24 is more than enough for him

It's not what is "enough". It's what you can get.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

The deal will get done for 24 and maybe a swap of steak knives. It is all posturing. Six days to go...

We're in a unique position too where we don't have much else going on. Might as well wait this out and see what we can shake loose.

Whether that be Lord, 24, a future pick, or none of the above...the message has clearly been that Port need to get busy, and have a number of deals still to get done.

From what we can see, Mackie can just sit back with a cigar and admire himself in every mirror until the deadline calls.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

It's not what is "enough". It's what you can get.

What's that old line about real estate? It's worth what someone is willing to pay?

Particularly in the early stages of negotiations, clubs aren't looking for 'fair'. You start high and work your way down from there.

 

[Iago]

I wonder if GWS could be roped in to offer 16 with a whole heap of other picks flying around to them which gets Sav to Port. No idea if GWS would do that, maybe if it gave them some future picks.

 

[bombersboy]

They said on trade radio yesterday that a couple of recruiters have said they think there may only be 40/45 selections.

Not sure how many there will be but boy oh boy if there was actually 40 taken that would be crazy low.

Our last selections in the draft would come in so much that they would even be terrible and it would make trading Sav for Ports 2nd rounder (like lots of people were saying) like trading him for the last pick in the draft.

I'll just guess that there will be more than 50 for the hell of it, but this draft certainly is not rated at all.

If the draft pool is so poor makes you wonder why we delisted Simpson, Whyte and Riccardi

 

[Johanpetro]

It's not what is "enough". It's what you can get.

Geez I must be way off on what a lot of people here are thinking. I literally think 24 is both enough and also what we can get here. Time will tell.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Back to Sav. Seems that everyone in the world bar Mackie and co think 24 is more than enough for him

It's pretty amazing how low the public rating of him is when Geelong clearly rate him and Port have offered him a long-term deal. Hawthorn were clearly very keen on him too.

I'll back the dozens of professionals at those clubs over random fans.

 

[Rubberducky]

Geez I must be way off on what a lot of people here are thinking. I literally think 24 is both enough and also what we can get here. Time will tell.

I actually agree on 24 being spot on, but I'm in no rush. If we can squeeze out more or have adjacent moves that benefit from this being held off I'm all for it.

 

[year of the cat]

24 would seem reasonable to me but to break the embargo just a swap of our F4 with Port's F3 (probably a difference of 8 spots at the back end of the draft) to get this thing over the line ffs.

 

[year of the cat]

Might be a draft thing from our POV.

In any other draft, 24 is still a pretty good pick. Plenty of genuinely elite players have gone in that range.

But in a draft that might only have 40-50 players taken, and will be pushed back to 30 post bids, it's suddenly not looking so appetizing.

The six players that will push it back other than perhaps compo for Gresham are all players we wouldn't have access to anyway.

 

[No Quarter]

FWIW I also think 24 is sufficient

 

[Mr Meow]

Geez I must be way off on what a lot of people here are thinking. I literally think 24 is both enough and also what we can get here. Time will tell.

Not everyone is as nice as you though. If you had the last Rolex on Earth you'd probably sell it at RRP.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Nah, things shift. I don't know about the Holmes stuff, but I know someone was super hot on TDK at one point this year. And if they weren't sharing, I would have because I was hearing the exact same thing.

Just like media tweets that are hit and miss on the final result, we want people to share what they hear to give us more to talk about. We can hold them accountable, but also should realize things change quiquickly

I trust where I got the info about TDK and apparently he had a verbal agreement in place with Geelong to seek a trade

At the end of the day, no-one knows anything for absolute certain.

I knew 100% certain that Dangerfield was headed to Geelong. It was direct info from a prominent figure that used to work at the club but is elsewhere now.

Wrong ? Because my opinion is different from yours….? Oh I get it now… moving on…

Your problem is all your posts are the same ... it's always a negative spin on things.

I'll be honest, you come across as somebody who jumped on the bandwagon in 08 and expect to win the flag every year.

 

[Turbocat]

No I'm saying the 10th best kid in this draft is probably as good as the 10th best player in a typical draft. But the 15th best kid in this draft is probably as good as the 25th best player in a typical draft.

Given bids you'll need pick 8 to get the 10th best player so this is still a very valuable pick. But you'll probably need pick 12 to get the 15th best player so pick 12 is nowhere near as valuable as a "normal" pick 12.

It's why we're not keen on Port's pick 23 for Esava. If you think about it as more like a pick 40 because of this draft's lack of depth it doesn't seem like a great deal.

Its an interesting subject. I don't think we will have it really known for sometime.


On your point of 15th best v 25th best in a typical draft? I dont know what a typical draft is these days. Are you defining typical draft as one not compromised by pre aligned players or are you describing an assessment of the draft as being of poor quality that has zero to do with the FSons, the academy players?

If its aligned players...
You mention bids. The bids and the pre alignment of players seems to be a regular event now ..id almost say its typical to have 5 players each year that eat into pick value each year. Maybe there are a few more players in the top30 this year ... but considering that most are from the allies ...has it really eaten into normal availability of players from the traditional states or is the suns academy suplied more players that would not normally be in the pool?

2019.. 4 in the top30
2020.. 5 in the top30
2021.. 2 in the top30
2022.. 4 in the top30
2023.. ? in the top30 ... probably 4 to Gold Coast , 1 to Dogs, 1 to Haw ..maybe 1 to the swans?

My bet is come next year...there will be 4 to 5 players in the top 30 yet again with aligned players such as Ashcroft, 2x Camporeale , Lombard , Luck and others that may improve. I think this almost the new norm.


If its the over all quality.

If we use a player like Charlie Edwards. ... as a reference point ... would have been drafted 10 to 15 spots further back last year for example ..because of an overall deeper depth of quality. Would a player taken at 24 last year , like Charlie Clark would go at 14 this year? I think thats very hard to gauge... and its very hard to determine how they all will be after few years in the system.


I don't think the number taken in the draft is solely related to quality of the players ... as the introduction of SSP and the MSD has changed things a bit.

2022 59 picks
2021 65 picks
2020 59 picks.

Where as go back few years 7th 0 picks ten was the norm.

 

[D BRIDGE]

If the draft pool is so poor makes you wonder why we delisted Simpson, Whyte and Riccardi

If you ain't good enough, you ain't good enough.

A line has been put through them and it's fair enough imo.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

They have to rate him highly. Once Charlie goes all they have is a tall flanker in Marshall.

I acrually think they have a good forward mix in Marshall, Finlayson, Georgiades. Don't see Lord getting a game with all 4 for

 

[bombersboy]

If you ain't good enough, you ain't good enough.

A line has been put through them and it's fair enough imo.

I think Simpson is good enough (as long as he is over concussion issues). My main point is that if this is such a poor/shallow draft year why not give them 1 year rather than having to draft this year and have to give them 2 years. Take the minimum this year and load up next year.

 

[Johanpetro]

Not everyone is as nice as you though. If you had the last Rolex on Earth you'd probably sell it at RRP.

If I owned the last Rolex on earth and it was locked in a safe that I didn’t have access to, and the only bloke in the world who knew the passcode offered me RRP for it, or he’ll take it for free anyway then yeh I’d take the money. Or something like that

 

[Turbocat]

24 would seem reasonable to me but to break the embargo just a swap of our F4 with Port's F3 (probably a difference of 8 spots at the back end of the draft) to get this thing over the line ffs.

would it require their Fr2 for a Fr3 or Fr3 from us... ? They have traded their Fr1 ... meaning they can only trade picks in the future that are doubled. Currently they have two r2's

 

[Footy Smarts]

Its an interesting subject. I don't think we will have it really known for sometime.


On your point of 15th best v 25th best in a typical draft? I dont know what a typical draft is these days. Are you defining typical draft as one not compromised by pre aligned players or are you describing an assessment of the draft as being of poor quality that has zero to do with the FSons, the academy players?

If its aligned players...
You mention bids. The bids and the pre alignment of players seems to be a regular event now ..id almost say its typical to have 5 players each year that eat into pick value each year. Maybe there are a few more players in the top30 this year ... but considering that most are from the allies ...has it really eaten into normal availability of players from the traditional states or is the suns academy suplied more players that would not normally be in the pool?

2019.. 4 in the top30
2020.. 5 in the top30
2021.. 2 in the top30
2022.. 4 in the top30
2023.. ? in the top30 ... probably 4 to Gold Coast , 1 to Dogs, 1 to Haw ..maybe 1 to the swans?

My bet is come next year...there will be 4 to 5 players in the top 30 yet again with aligned players such as Ashcroft, 2x Camporeale , Lombard , Luck and others that may improve. I think this almost the new norm.


If its the over all quality.

If we use a player like Charlie Edwards. ... as a reference point ... would have been drafted 10 to 15 spots further back last year for example ..because of an overall deeper depth of quality. Would a player taken at 24 last year , like Charlie Clark would go at 14 this year? I think thats very hard to gauge... and its very hard to determine how they all will be after few years in the system.


I don't think the number taken in the draft is solely related to quality of the players ... as the introduction of SSP and the MSD has changed things a bit.

2022 59 picks
2021 65 picks
2020 59 picks.

Where as go back few years 7th 0 picks ten was the norm.

My view doesn't come from watching games. I don't follow the juniors at all.

But I have a good friend who is a senior scout in the recruiting department for an AFL club. He thought there would be guys being picked in the 20s this year that would be lucky to be rookie picks in strong drafts and that it's by far the weakest draft for depth he's seen.

I think if given the choice we would probably prefer Freo's future 2nd instead of pick 23.

 

[BORIS332]

I acrually think they have a good forward mix in Marshall, Finlayson, Georgiades. Don't see Lord getting a game with all 4 for

Finlayson isn't very popular amongst the coaching staff.

 

[BORIS332]

My view doesn't come from watching games. I don't follow the juniors at all.

But I have a good friend who is a senior scout in the recruiting department for an AFL club. He thought there would be guys being picked in the 20s this year that would be lucky to be rookie picks in strong drafts and that it's by far the weakest draft for depth he's seen.

I think if given the choice we would probably prefer Freo's future 2nd instead of pick 23.

Just have a look at some of the names being thrown up in the 10-20 range. Some of those guys would not even be talked about in a normal/strong draft.

 

[stac]

almost every year diamonds are found in the latter rounds
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