Review Grand Final, 2024 - Sydney vs. Brisbane Lions

[rye]

I'm not sure about the defenders not taking out laptops but the rest, yep.

now the thing is dlanod... i look at brandon starcevich. what is his brand? hes stuck in no mans land on bobby hill.... where was his HP Pavilion 16' with Intel™ Ultra Core 7? Craig Macrae brained Chris Fagan in the coaches box. Its time to pursue Chris Scott.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I just remembered, other than at the G on Grand Final day, I have never re-watched the 2023 Grand Final.

Don't bother; it's overrated.

 

[Grasshopper17]

That was the big one . Plus our prep.leading into the game, Dunkley slipping over etc. etc.

It was a miracle we got so close.

We knew it too. In hindsight were the Pies really that good a team anyway ?

It's a game I've tried to erase from my memory but still it lingers.

If we can win another one with this group then justice will have been served. Because we fully earnt it in 2024 after what we had to do to get there.

In fairness to Collingwood they did have the best percentage in the AFL in 2023. And while there were many better teams over the last 20-30 years, they were easily the best I've seen at nailing close end-of-game scenarios. Of course the cynical translation of that is "manipulating the rules and interpretations to their advantage".

Having said that, I thought on the day our performance was pretty ordinary, particularly after half time, and I stand by that. I thought on a hot day, the longer the game went the more our inability to spread from stoppages and contests became noticeable and detrimental to our performance. Particularly given those conditions should have suited us.

After the game Fages lamented our willingness to take the game on with bold disposal, but you can't make bold decisions with the ball if there's nobody to give it to in those "bold" positions.

So given Collingwood only won the game by 4 points, perhaps they weren't that great either

Having said that, Fages' press conference after the 2023 Grand Final was outstanding... Unlike the game itself I'd say that is something worth rewatching.

 

[Grasshopper17]

now the thing is dlanod... i look at brandon starcevich. what is his brand? hes stuck in no mans land on bobby hill.... where was his HP Pavilion 16' with Intel™ Ultra Core 7? Craig Macrae brained Chris Fagan in the coaches box. Its time to pursue Chris Scott.

Dom Fay really needs to package up his and Mike's p!ss take of Kingy on this week's Roar Deal and post it on the socials. Hilarious.

 

[martinson]

In fairness to Collingwood they did have the best percentage in the AFL in 2023. And while there were many better teams over the last 20-30 years, they were easily the best I've seen at nailing close end-of-game scenarios. Of course the cynical translation of that is "manipulating the rules and interpretations to their advantage".

Having said that, I thought on the day our performance was pretty ordinary, particularly after half time, and I stand by that. I thought on a hot day, the longer the game went the more our inability to spread from stoppages and contests became noticeable and detrimental to our performance. Particularly given those conditions should have suited us.

After the game Fages lamented our willingness to take the game on with bold disposal, but you can't make bold decisions with the ball if there's nobody to give it to in those "bold" positions.

So given Collingwood only won the game by 4 points, perhaps they weren't that great either

Having said that, Fages' press conference after the 2023 Grand Final was outstanding... Unlike the game itself I'd say that is something worth rewatching.

Our guys looked half wrecked on Brownlow night. I don't think the heat helped us . We were a bit sluggish and tired.

Just a convulsion of reasons to explain the one that got away.

Bobby Hill had the man upstairs gifting him his golden day.

 

[p4p1]

While it sucked to lose 23, the silver lining was one more year of the Joe Show. I think the trade off was worth it, even if I do hate Collingwood.

ETA: We don’t go B2B last year without Joe so still the same amount of premierships.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Our guys looked half wrecked on Brownlow night. I don't think the heat helped us . We were a bit sluggish and tired.

I haven't watched the Brownlow for years, so hard for me to comment one way or the other. What a contrast though between what you say and the way we looked so fresh and up for it on Grand Final day in 2024, after running over the top of two opponents on the road, one of whom had themselves been freshened up by a week off... After struggling late in games all season...

If nothing else it's an interesting discussion and I wonder if, in a few years, once the core of our players and staff move on, something a bit deeper might get uncovered about our preparation from one year to the next

 

[Tom14]

While it sucked to lose 23, the silver lining was one more year of the Joe Show. I think the trade off was worth it, even if I do hate Collingwood.

ETA: We don’t go B2B last year without Joe so still the same amount of premierships.

I have had this thought but also Joe going out after winning the norm and flag in 2023 would have been pretty special.

 

[Tom14]

now the thing is dlanod... i look at brandon starcevich. what is his brand? hes stuck in no mans land on bobby hill.... where was his HP Pavilion 16' with Intel™ Ultra Core 7? Craig Macrae brained Chris Fagan in the coaches box. Its time to pursue Chris Scott.

Not to self-quote, but…

Heard from someone the other week that Kingy has a clause in his contract ensuring he gets the laptop on tv every week lol.

 

[dlanod]

Not to self-quote, but…

My take away is now that we lost because Starcevich didn't have King out there on Zoom with him.

 

[knaf]

Our guys looked half wrecked on Brownlow night. I don't think the heat helped us . We were a bit sluggish and tired.

Just a convulsion of reasons to explain the one that got away.

Bobby Hill had the man upstairs gifting him his golden day.

Yes we seemed to play the game before we got out on the ground. Looked exhausted.

Great learning that meant Fages knew how to prepare for the next grand final. We were cherryripe from the first minute.

 

[twhowler]

Many many things I’d put as bigger issues than our plan for Harris - mids got belted, our small defenders lacked computer, and the Rayner to the backline in the last 5 mins of qtrs killed us more.

I agree there were a lot of factors. Mids were a bigger one. Bobby Hill got some serious space at times.

But Harris played about the best quarter i've ever seen from a defender in the first quarter of the PF. Seemed largely absent in the GF and for a captain and gun i thought that really hurt.

Incidentally i thought the hot weather might help a la 2001. Seemed to do the opposite. BUT we seemed to get fitter in 2024, or at least run out games and quarters better, maybe that was gameplan rather than fitness?

 

[Dalions]

Incidentally i thought the hot weather might help a la 2001. Seemed to do the opposite. BUT we seemed to get fitter in 2024, or at least run out games and quarters better, maybe that was gameplan rather than fitness?

Might also be that in 2024 we had to come from behind quite a fair bit and had that is something, in previous years we didn’t have to do too often and when we did we just weren’t very good at it.
That’s one good thing that 2024 taught us.

 

[buttermuffs]

Yes we seemed to play the game before we got out on the ground. Looked exhausted.

Great learning that meant Fages knew how to prepare for the next grand final. We were cherryripe from the first minute.

Fagan said in the interview that he didn’t need to do anything to give the players extra energy this year. He said when he saw them the first training after the prelim they were high energy and ready to go.

Main thing they changed from last year was getting down on Wednesday after the storm on Thursday last year meant they felt incredibly rushed arriving into Melbourne.

 

[mpal6]

Fagan said in the interview that he didn’t need to do anything to give the players extra energy this year. He said when he saw them the first training after the prelim they were high energy and ready to go.

Main thing they changed from last year was getting down on Wednesday after the storm on Thursday last year meant they felt incredibly rushed arriving into Melbourne.

family came late as well I think. Friday somewhere. Last time everyone was in the same plane and it was a mess trying to sort not just the players but the extended crew.

 

[martinson]

family came late as well I think. Friday somewhere. Last time everyone was in the same plane and it was a mess trying to sort not just the players but the extended crew.

Mindset is everything. In 2024 by the time we got to finals mentally we had nothing to lose. In 2023 we had a lot to lose.

Very difficult for coaches to manufacture a looser mindset , it's either happening or it isn't.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Can't believe Fox are showing the Grand Final replay in between the Bulldogs v Essendon match sim, and the indigenous match.

Shocking state of affairs.



Oh alright then.

 

[Scubaveg]

I think in 2001-2003 I had expectations all season. 2023 was gutting for the same reason. After falling so far back in 2024, I never really built up those same expectations so when we came back over GWS it was just disbelief, and then again with the lead changes against Geelong, and then the way we won against the Swans yet again. It felt more like a dream than anything approaching reality and still does in a way.

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[MSB ROYS]

I have now worked out why out season last year and the GF wain was so satisfying. The season followed the Hero's Journey storyline. No wonder people want a movie.

Ordinary World – The team starts strong in preseason and early games.
Call to Adventure – Challenges arise, including injuries and self-doubt.
Ordeal / Rock Bottom – A terrible loss (against the Giants) marks the lowest point.
Road to Redemption – The team fights back with a string of wins.
Major Setback – Just when things seem to be improving, they suffer close losses.
Final Test / Impossible Odds – Unconvincing last round win, finishing 5th, needing four straight finals victories.
Transformation / Climax – Thrilling, come-from-behind wins in the finals.
Triumphant Return – A dominant Grand Final victory; all is right in the world.

 

[Sproj]

It also has the tragic montage at the start with 2023.

 

[Dalions]

 

[Tom14]

Going to be quite a bit to watch on Tuesday night!

 

[Nathan Barley]

Come back Joe

 

[Simbatheking21]

“Geee they were 44 points down, one more goal and it’s over… and they’ve won a grand final by 10 goals” - David king

 

[Tom14]

Trailer for the afl.com.au doco is out:



Out Tuesday night as well - big night to revel in the grand final glory!