tazzietiger
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Bob Brown is a disgrace.
Floods, Draught, Rains, Hails are natural cycle of earth
Greens blame Coal miners for Qld floods
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Bob Brown is a disgrace.
Floods, Draught, Rains, Hails are natural cycle of earth
First the Death Tax now this ridicuous statement
Stay off the mushies Bob!
Stay off the mushies Bob!
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maybe bob brown should foot the bill cause he caused climate change.
he really is stupid. he is listening to green peace to much by the looks of it. very moronic
To some extent i agree with you. it is erroneous for Bob to link a single weather event to climate change, and to attribute blame to one industry. I also think his timing sucks.
However, some thought needs to be given as to how we can minimise the damage from future catastrophic events like these. While floods, droughts, rain and hail are all natural events, the climate change models suggest that these extreme events will increase in frequency and severity over the next century.
I would like to see money from mining taxes or ETS or whatever, being used to improve the infrastructure so that we minimise the damage and loss of life from these events.
it's the lesser of two evils- if the models are wrong, and we don't experience more severe events like this- then we may have wasted money on infrastructure we don't need very often. But if the models are right- and we do nothing- the consequences are far worse.
Have you got a source? A quick google suggested that the eruption may not have been big enough to affect global temperature- couldn't find anything on rainfall.
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Good idea.
Except I'd prefer the tax to be revenue based, permanent and all of the funds directed towards infrastructure spending.
While ther be a link, to link one disaster to one industry is stupid
Just as well the australian ran with this cos neither victorian papers bothered
Just as well the australian ran with this cos neither victorian papers bothered
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There is no direct link between recent floods and global warming, but this is a good heads up as to what the world will be like if we dont act on CO2 emissions.
All the modelling of Co2 increases show more extreme weather being more common.
All the modelling of Co2 increases show more extreme weather being more common.
The Brisbane river seemed to flood more often before the coal miners got going in Queensland according to a BOM graph:
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story Subprime.
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The Brisbane river seemed to flood more often before the coal miners got going in Queensland according to a BOM graph:
Ha, this is the sort of dodgy correlation that muppets always fall for.
Less flooding in more developed times is due to flood mitigation structures like dams being built in the last 100 years.
The Wivenhoe dam was built in the 1980's I believe.
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Something like that. But there are litterally hundreds of other small scale flood mitigation structures put in place as the land in the catchment was developed. Everything from countless farm dams right up to Wivenhoe.
If you really want to cling to coal causes less flooding line, you should plot rainfall vs time graph, to elminiate the man-made flood prevention stuff.
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means nothing to you, ok I'll try and remember that.Anyway I'm sure there have been plenty of mitigation structures put in place over the last 170 years.
I've also read that "since 1900 flood rainfall has been much less frequent and the interval between floods has become much longer" see pg 13 para 2.
None of this alters the point that the Brisbane River floods in a big way periodically and did so long before the coal mining industry came along.
Interesting point considering Bob's against dams too.
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Hehe, yeah.
I have no time for politicians like Brown & Abbott who try to take political advantage out of a natural disaster.
They both should be condemned for the their lack of decency.
They both should be condemned for the their lack of decency.
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Nah, just made it up.
But the last time there was a big volcano going nuts on Iceland, it caused the French Revolution. Maybe the eruption wasn't big enough, but I find it interesting that only a few months after we're getting record snowfalls in Europe and North America, and record amounts of rain down here.
Looking at that graph posted on the previous page, there were more megafloods for the Brisbane in the 19th century than the past 100+ years - there were also more large volcanic events - Krakatoa and that other one (Tambora?)
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There are two methodologies here.
1) Man control nature: Build dams everywhere, screw the environment, man stops floods by storing all flood water. But man is falable. Brisbane was so trigger happy after the drought that the quickly filled all the big dams as fast as possible once the drought broke. This left little room to store flood water.
2) Man live with nature: Stop building on flood prone land, and if building on flood prone land, build houses on stilts like they used to.
Of course, a balance of both is required. The trouble with dams is they are expensive, they silt up over time, and they need special geological setups in place (ie like a steep walled valley with narrow neck). You cant just built them willy nilly.
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