Gumby to Freo

[The 747]

Lol lets not turn this into Gumby v Caddy s***fight two ver different players. My question was "why is caddy worth so much? From what I can gather from your answer he worth a top 10 pick cause he's kicked 15 goals in his career to date as a midfielder and the fact he is 19? More than half the players in the AFl meet this criteria champ. By no means am I saying Caddy does not have potential but right now that's all he has IMO.

No you asked why Caddy was worth so much, and why Gumby wasnt. So I explained, CHAMP.

 

[The 747]

Agreed, what GC want for Caddy is a bit ridiculous... He has only played one full year of AFL and wasn't all that impressive. Potential doesn't mean he will be an afl star..

Er no. A number of clubs are offering a fair bit for Caddy, all it proves is as everyone suspected, Essendon tried to low ball GC last year and failed. And now are spitting the dummy that a player Ess doesnt want and a second round pick are not enough for GC this year.

And it seems more of the same with Gumby, he averages 4.5 games a year and the club wont give him any more than a one year deal at age 24. But he is worth the world at the trade table....

 

[headache1]

Courtney Johns was a rookie pick project player, stupid comparison.

At some point, it doesn't matter where a player was taken in the draft, or even what draft they were taken in. Personally, I don't think Gumby will hold much trade value until he can string together a successful season, both in terms of output, and more importantly, staying fit. Whilst I'm hearing that he's now supposedly over his injury concerns after that back operation, Essendon reportedly only offering him a one year deal doesn't fill me with confidence, especially after persisting with him for so long already.

At present, I see Gumbleton being worth more to Essendon than whatever asset they may get for him in a trade.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Late second round/early third round

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Er no. A number of clubs are offering a fair bit for Caddy, all it proves is as everyone suspected, Essendon tried to low ball GC last year and failed. And now are spitting the dummy that a player Ess doesnt want and a second round pick are not enough for GC this year.

And it seems more of the same with Gumby, he averages 4.5 games a year and the club wont give him any more than a one year deal at age 24. But he is worth the world at the trade table....

how exactly are Essendon "now spitting the dummy"?

 

[year of the roo]

Well then. No one should want him for a second round pick then. Good, we will keep him then.

OK then. Keep your dud then. Not bothered then.

 

[u wat]

Since when are Gumby and Pears midfielders? You want them to stay cos you need quality midfielders - nice one.

seperate the convo ya helmet... i hope they both stay, and we need quality midfielders.

 

[valkorum]

seperate the convo ya helmet... i hope they both stay, and we need quality midfielders.

User punctuation and I would be able to distinguish the difference but that obviously seems a little difficult

 

[The 747]

how exactly are Essendon "now spitting the dummy"?

See this thread, the other thread, the Caddy thread, the Toy thread. Should have said Essendon posters but everyone speaks for their club on here.

 

[Flea_29]

Hi Wizard

You would think that Gumbleton would be a very good fit for Freo.
To get him there you would need a 2nd round pick or a pick in the (20-30 bracket) or a player exchange (ie Crozier, Pitt, etc)
I expect to Gumbleton to stay, even if its a 1 year deal

 

[Lance Uppercut]

See this thread, the other thread, the Caddy thread, the Toy thread. Should have said Essendon posters but everyone speaks for their club on here.

right. So the club "low-balled" Gold Coast, but the supporters have cracked this shits apparently, and you don't distinguish between the two?

 

[The 747]

right. So the club "low-balled" Gold Coast, but the supporters have cracked this shits apparently, and you don't distinguish between the two?

No, this is Bigfooty. Posters defended the low ball and continue to this day. The person I was discussing this with (which by the way wasnt you) brought up Caddy yet again.....implying he was valued too high now.

And why would I distinguish between the two, when Ess posters have been sticking to the party line all year on this board?

 

[mufassa]

With all respect, I doubt whether enough other people care that much. The thread would fizzle out pretty quickly if we had not chimed in.

I think Gumby would be crazy to walk on the basis of receiving a longer contract. The reason being his current value is low. If he locks himself into 2 or more seasons at his present value he would be ripping himself off. If he has any confidence in his body and ability and can be as good as we're told he can be, then he must sign a 1 year deal and use 2013 to increase his value. This will provide Gumby with a hell of an incentive to perform next year, and if all goes to plan, be in a position to negotiate a 2-3 year deal at the end of next year for significantly more money. If he was to sign anything longer now he runs the risk of being severely underpaid for the subsequent seasons of the contract and given his age, this is about the time he should be earning his maximum dollars.

Any player who believes in themself should have this attitude in this situation. I would be very nervous as a Freo (or whoever) supporter if he were to come to my club on the basis of a longer contract. If it were to happen, I couldn't help but think he doesn't have this belief, and is really just looking for security just in case things go pear shaped.

Based on this, I don't think there is a fair trade in this instance. It would purely be a gamble for all involved.

What would you rather?

$150k for 1 season?
$450k for 3 seasons?

Roll the dice on 1 and end up with $150 and maybe get another contract or a guaranteed $450k.

Now this is not Jerry Maguire and Gumby is not Rod Tidwell. Any injury next year and he could cost himself $300k. If he comes good he plays for less so be it - better than getting $20k playing for the Karratha Kats.

 

[mufassa]

Hi Wizard

You would think that Gumbleton would be a very good fit for Freo.
To get him there you would need a 2nd round pick or a pick in the (20-30 bracket) or a player exchange (ie Crozier, Pitt, etc)
I expect to Gumbleton to stay, even if its a 1 year deal

Why would they need to give Essendon anything? He can walk into the PSD. No contract.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Hope Gumby dose the right thing and stays from the few games he played this year he seems to be over his injuries.

 

[year of the roo]

Hi Wizard

You would think that Gumbleton would be a very good fit for Freo.
To get him there you would need a 2nd round pick or a pick in the (20-30 bracket) or a player exchange (ie Crozier, Pitt, etc)
I expect to Gumbleton to stay, even if its a 1 year deal

LOL. Not even Freo would give up Pitt or Crozier for Gumbleton.

 

[Wee Jessies]

Hope Gumby dose the right thing and stays from the few games he played this year he seems to be over his injuries.

Seems to be a bit of a contradiction. The deal that Essendon have given him puts him in the lowest five players on their list (probably based on risk rather than potential). These type of players traditionally don't get 2nd round draft picks or best 25 players like Suban, Ibbo or Broughton.

We traded Marcus Drum a former top 10 pick who had a similar history for pick 49 by memory why would this be any different.

 

[u wat]

gumbos good, but has not proven himself... drum was talked up but didn't prove himself either, opportunities, form and injuries etc.... have to agree with ya.
And yeah I still don't know why ibbos name is coming up... he IS NOT going anywhere, he's "signed".

 

[Wee Jessies]

gumbos good, but has not proven himself... drum was talked up but didn't prove himself either, opportunities, form and injuries etc.... have to agree with ya.
And yeah I still don't know why ibbos name is coming up... he IS NOT going anywhere, he's "signed".

Wow, I was expecting to receive a Drum vs Gumby response which wasn't my point as you picked up. Kudos on the intelligent response.

Unless you have a desperate buyer unfortunately teams losing these types of players don't have much hand at the trade table (that said he hasn't actually declared he is leaving).

 

[jerry springer]

his draft position is completely irrelevant now.On sheer output a 3rd round pick is generous

 

[Bengineer]

What would you rather?

$150k for 1 season?
$450k for 3 seasons?

Roll the dice on 1 and end up with $150 and maybe get another contract or a guaranteed $450k.

Now this is not Jerry Maguire and Gumby is not Rod Tidwell. Any injury next year and he could cost himself $300k. If he comes good he plays for less so be it - better than getting $20k playing for the Karratha Kats.

"What would you rather?
$150k for 1 season?
$450k for 3 seasons?" - I would rather 150k for 1 season and 750k or more for the following three seasons. It's about backing yourself, which is what any true champion would do.

"Now this is not Jerry Maguire and Gumby is not Rod Tidwell" - correct. Brilliant observation.

"Any injury next year and he could cost himself $300k" - I would question the moral fibre of any player that has this mindset. It is basically an admission that you would be comfortable taking a large sum of money from a club for doing nothing. If he has any doubts about his body, then the right thing to do would be to sign for 1 season and use that year to put any such doubts to rest. If he was to have a career ending injury (touch wood of course), then he enters the real world work-force with the rest of us a few years earlier than he otherwise would have. Who knows, he may not be that much more financially worse-off if this was to occur (especially if this was supplemented by a weekly stint in the goal square for the Karratha Kats).

Then if he comes good next year it will be sweet vindication.

 

[headache1]

Clubs get rid of players who are no longer of use to them without a second thought, and you're questioning the moral fibre of the players? Seriously?

 

[Mrs Mercuri]

Was posted by an afl rumours page on twitter that Ess had made enquiries about both Suban and Pitt as a possible trade deal...

Let's hope nothing comes of it and Gumby stays now...

 

[Prem87]

Was posted by an afl rumours page on twitter that Ess had made enquiries about both Suban and Pitt as a possible trade deal...

Let's hope nothing comes of it and Gumby stays now...

If Essendon got either or both those players via Gumbleton and Pears you would be laughing. Suban is damn underrated and Pitt has great potential.

 

[Bengineer]

Clubs get rid of players who are no longer of use to them without a second thought, and you're questioning the moral fibre of the players? Seriously?

Players with that mindset? Absolutely. I'd also like to think that few players, if any, would have that mindset. Just be careful about how you word your question next time.