GWS are going to win the premiership

[Colonial]

Where's this other 100k stadium in Australia then that is designed for AFL, has all the modern facilities of the MCG and is in a location where significant interest is going to be attracted, regardless of the teams involved?

Melbourne also happens to have a wide variety of supporters and is easily the most footy mad state. Should they host it in Sydney instead and have a whole bunch of non-footy supporting ******s rock up?

Ahhh so it is about money.

When the argument benefits you...

 

[thecatattack]

Well as Geelong follower to finally get there only after a 44 year drought you should know how hard they are to get. Now a team loaded up with a ridiculous amount of talent gifted to them with bugger all support are just going to stroll in and probably take 3+ in the next decade. Each to their own but I think is a joke and it will be a terrible look for the 'competition'.

i never said i like the franchise, i dont. you just specifically targeted geelong fans in your post

 

[Rotayjay]

Which leaves 20k for a new club supposedly no one cares about.

Great start to our glorious futue.

The entirety of your club's supporters could fit into my local oval down the street. Doesn't mean those 20,000 are less passionate, but to supporters of the other clubs it's quite foreign for a top-4 team to pull less than 15,000 at home week in week out. GWS is a minnow in comparison to the Dees and North.

 

[sherb]

The entirety of your club's supporters could fit into my local oval down the street. Doesn't mean those 20,000 are less passionate, but to supporters of the other clubs it's quite foreign for a top-4 team to pull less than 15,000 at home week in week out. GWS is a minnow in comparison to the Dees and North.

This is a long-term project, as I have previously pointed out to you.

 

[Superstar swan]

That won't happen. They have likeable players and play a great brand of footy to watch. If anyone's going to turn away it's going to be offended opposition supporters whose teams either haven't won anything in years, or have been on the receiving end of a few thumpings from the lads in Orange.

thats exactly my point

 

[Rotayjay]

But how can 60,000 people get to an area where nobody gives a shit about AFL to watch an AFL match?

Eastern Sydney has taken to it, begrudgingly with the help of COLA and the academies. Given the population of Sydney, 40,000 Swans fans is actually quite small. The SCG never ever fills up during the H&A season. NSW is a rugby state, always will be.

 

[sherb]

Where's this other 100k stadium in Australia then that is designed for AFL, has all the modern facilities of the MCG and is in a location where significant interest is going to be attracted, regardless of the teams involved?

Melbourne also happens to have a wide variety of supporters and is easily the most footy mad state. Should they host it in Sydney instead and have a whole bunch of non-footy supporting ******s rock up?

If you want a fair*, level playing field* competition then the Grand Final should be played at a neutral venue.

* "Fairness" and "level playing field" being terms I have seen used regularly throughout this discussion.

But as we all know, these are just terms which are bandied around only when it suits people.

 

[sherb]

Uh-huh. So what happens when the team/s see a downturn in on-field performance?

Probably the same thing which happens to Melbourne based clubs when you see a downturn in on-field performance.

Fair weather support isn't confined to Sydney by any means.

 

[grouse mate]

Eastern Sydney has taken to it, begrudgingly with the help of COLA and the academies. Given the population of Sydney, 40,000 Swans fans is actually quite small. The SCG never ever fills up during the H&A season. NSW is a rugby state, always will be.

Wow. There's a saying about dont get into arguments with idiots and I'm not going to today.

 

[Drezdyn]

Eastern Sydney has taken to it, begrudgingly with the help of COLA and the academies. Given the population of Sydney, 40,000 Swans fans is actually quite small. The SCG never ever fills up during the H&A season. NSW is a rugby state, always will be.

Love it when we get experts an all things NSW who don't even live here. People here don't have to mutually exclusively support a particular sport or football code.

FYI Rugby league (Which is commonly referred to as "league", "footy" or "NRL") is the more popular code vs Rugby Union (which is commonly referred to as "Rugby").

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

How many players have the greater western area produced for other clubs

Well, from the academy so far you have Dougal Howard and Logan Austin at Port, Jock Cornell at Geelong and Nick Coughlan at St Kilda. This year there'll be a few more because there's no way we can take all the good academy kids that will be draft eligible, so somebody is going to benefit - maybe even your club.

Swing and a miss.

 

[Budgey]

Yeah I'm actually also an ex Hawks supporter for most of my life. Possibly a 70's banwaggoner if you like. I was an interstate member through the down times an the 08 flag was the last one. I couldn't support the Swans because of Edelsten and switched to the Giants to be able to go to the footy and watch games.
It's a great club that desrves a lot more love IMO.
I missed the threepeat but would never say the Hawks flags weren't earned the hard way. For a traditionally small club to have had so much success is incredible.
I will be a committed Giants supporter if we match up in finals though. I'm a serial monogamist. A lot of our supporters have other clubs and I think we view club loyalty differently than your club would, because we are so young.

Good on you mate. That's all logical, and each to his own. So all the best to you. I think you will have some happy years ahead.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Yeah, how dare we oppose what is essentially the AFL rigging the competition for the foreseeable future.

Will be great in 20 years time when nobody gives a shit about them.

Sorry, but how else do you expect the AFL to build a club from the ground up? One that NEEDS to be at least semi-competitive within 5 years of its inception?

Draft picks guarantee nothing. Go through the recent drafts and see how many of GWS' first round draft picks have actually turned into decent, best 22 players... the hit rate is about 50%. GWS have a two time All-Australian player and he isn't some 22 year old wonderkid that GWS got with one of their gazillion top 10 picks - he was a 27 year old bloke that Collingwood didn't want anymore. Scully, Ward, Davis, Patful, Griffen, Stevie J, Mumford... all players who are currently contributing to the GWS success and who were acquired through trades and free agency, the same options that are available to every other club in the league.

Now of course GWS got a nice leg-up when entering the competition. But plenty of other clubs do too. Are you complaining about Carlton getting to sign father/son picks? Players that aren't available to any other club in the league except your own (unless you choose so)? I doubt it.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

How could it mean anything? You've never had any adversity to conquer (on field) and have been given competitive advantages which give you a higher probability of success than other teams - I can't imagine there would be too many Giants supporters crying in the stands like there were when the Swans, Cats and even the Lions broke their droughts.

This thread just gets dribblier with almost every post.

Seriously.... Some people....

 

[sherb]

Love it when we get experts an all things NSW who don't even live here. People here don't have to mutually exclusively support a particular sport or football code.

FYI Rugby league (Which is commonly referred to as "league", "footy" or "NRL") is the more popular code vs Rugby Union (which is commonly referred to as "Rugby").

Spot on.

People can also have longstanding support for a Melbourne based club and also get behind a "local" club in Sydney as well.

 

[krisholio14]

You do realise the Giants had more concessions than GC don't you? And you can argue that the draft the year GWS entered had much better KPPs and was better overall. Add terrible injuries to O'Meara and Swallow as well as Ablett and you can see why they've struggles in comparison.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? The vast majority of people on this board weren't saying this is 2013/14.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

GWS is a minnow in comparison to the Dees and North.

News at eleven!!!!

Here's a point - Melbourne and North have been around a few years longer than us - that head start might help just a bit don't you think? Also helps, just a tiny bit, that they're in the so called footy heartland.

Dribblier and dribblier.

 

[Determinant]

This post sums up everything wrong with the modern AFL.

Everything is about the dollar. Seriously who cares about money?

It pisses me off so much how money dominated the game has become. These days it's all about a squeaky clean league, letting the media have a huge say in everything and the loyal fans of many years have been left behind in pursuit of the dollar.

Footy never used to be money, money, money.

Ironic coming from a Carlton supporter, clearly you've forgotten your own history as far as financial dealings go..

 

[Kram]

Sorry, but how else do you expect the AFL to build a club from the ground up? One that NEEDS to be at least semi-competitive within 5 years of its inception?

Surely there could have been some middle ground here. Blind Freddy could have seen that with the amount of high picks that they were given there was a very real threat of quickly creating a super team.

 

[sherb]

How many players did we let go to the eastern states for years

How many players have the greater western area produced for other clubs

We are a football state ....Sorry if your going to compare at least get your facts straight

If you actually stopped to think for a minute, this would actually be one of the longer term aims of having an AFL side based in Western Sydney.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

This post sums up everything wrong with the modern AFL.

Wow! Everything!

Everything is about the dollar. Seriously who cares about money?

Really?

Surely it is the AFL's job to care about money. It is the AFL's job to get the best possible return from a broadcasting deal.

It's absurd to suggest otherwise.

A fair chunk of that cash goes toward shoring up clubs that might feel the pinch if the AFL decided they simply don't care about money when it comes to negotiating that broadcasting deal. Would that be better?

It pisses me off so much how money dominated the game has become. These days it's all about a squeaky clean league, letting the media have a huge say in everything and the loyal fans of many years have been left behind in pursuit of the dollar.

That's bullshit. The media doesn't have "a say in everything". What does that even mean?

The AFL has a product and they have tried to get the best price for it. What's wrong with that?

Imagine if they did the opposite. That would be grossly negligent.

Footy never used to be money, money, money.

Pretty rich coming from a Carlton supporter.

 

[The Gong]

I'm OK with it. It gives the Hawthorn and Collingwood hierarchy someone else to whinge about to AFL HQ so they can leave us alone for a few years.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

We're building a destination club. It's a long way in the future.

Completely irrelevant to the post you quotes, but thanks for the response.

 

[Glorious couch life]

So the AFL acted with financial imperatives in mind. And that is cause for complaint?

Money and integrity make strange bedfellows.

 

[Colonial]

The entirety of your club's supporters could fit into my local oval down the street. Doesn't mean those 20,000 are less passionate, but to supporters of the other clubs it's quite foreign for a top-4 team to pull less than 15,000 at home week in week out. GWS is a minnow in comparison to the Dees and North.

For a minnow allot of threads are dedicated to us.

Hmmm think you better look up the word