Hall v Gibson

[legend166]

You guys overestimate how much Hall plays as a 'gorilla forward'.

I don't know how the Doggies are planning on using him, but his best form at the Swans always had him as a leading forward.

 

[Hodgepodge]

You guys overestimate how much Hall plays as a 'gorilla forward'.

I don't know how the Doggies are planning on using him, but his best form at the Swans always had him as a leading forward.

This is also true, and one of the reasons I was surprised the Bulldogs took him.

 

[The Zebra]

Gibson played on Reiwoldt in the round 11 game and he was sensational. Reiwoldt ended up with 3, but I think two of them were dodgy free kicks. Gibbo was in a real purple patch by that stage of the year (after a bad start), and the way he read the ball coming in and managed to get in front of Reiwoldt to spoil was first rate. He did a similar job on Brown in our TD game.

The problem is if you get him one out. he is strong for his size, but can't match the real power forwards of the comp.

I don't have any animosity towards Gibson. Not sure why any North supporter would (apart from the fact he apparently handled the communication to North badly). The trade was always going to be good for us.

It was obvious, despite his talent, that the emergence of true KP players in Hansen, Thompson and Grima had pushed Gibson out of a backline role. As a backman, he would be a back up at best from 2010 on. He played some good games in the midfield, but that too would likely have a short shelf life given the way the game keeps getting quicker and North has spent the last couple of drafts targetting mids with hgh picks.

Gibson said it himself in an article about a week ago.

"I left North because I wanted to play as a backman"

It is that simple.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Gilham has actually done pretty well on some of the big forwards before. Ignore last year as he missed half the year with a knee injury and was forced back into the side severely underdone in the 2nd half of the season.

I seem to recall him doing a very good job on Jonathan Brown in 2008 and can't recall him ever having a bag of 5+ kicked on him in recent times. He might surprise a few this year.

Gibson was brought in to give us another option. Unfortunately he's not going to 'beat' Fevola, Brown, Hall and the other monster forwards in the league but who honestly does? Scarlett, Rutten, Lake and Glass are probably the only 4 defenders that consistently put up a good show against them and none of them were up for trade last year.

Gibson won't solve our defensive problems from last year and anyone who thinks that's why we recruited him is seriously ignorant. We only had 1 senior tall defender going into this year (Gilham) and 1 rookie tall defender (Schoenmakers), so we really needed to add to our depth and Gibson will do a great job in that regard.

So what you are saying is that if either Gilham or Schoenmakers miss a game through injury, suspension or lack of form, Josh is there to step in as a KPD?

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

We needed to trade for a defender last year and i don't think too many clubs are willing to trade away genuine kpd.

Trent Croad to Freo?

 

[Neville Bartos]

Trent Croad to Freo?

<--- Check the date on this post. It might answer the relevancy of your question as Croad was traded at the end of 2001

 

[EagleMan87]

Gibson played on Reiwoldt in the round 11 game and he was sensational. Reiwoldt ended up with 3, but I think two of them were dodgy free kicks. Gibbo was in a real purple patch by that stage of the year (after a bad start), and the way he read the ball coming in and managed to get in front of Reiwoldt to spoil was first rate. He did a similar job on Brown in our TD game.

The problem is if you get him one out. he is strong for his size, but can't match the real power forwards of the comp.

I don't have any animosity towards Gibson. Not sure why any North supporter would (apart from the fact he apparently handled the communication to North badly). The trade was always going to be good for us.

It was obvious, despite his talent, that the emergence of true KP players in Hansen, Thompson and Grima had pushed Gibson out of a backline role. As a backman, he would be a back up at best from 2010 on. He played some good games in the midfield, but that too would likely have a short shelf life given the way the game keeps getting quicker and North has spent the last couple of drafts targetting mids with hgh picks.

Gibson said it himself in an article about a week ago.

"I left North because I wanted to play as a backman"

It is that simple.

Good post.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

<--- Check the date on this post. It might answer the relevancy of your question as Croad was traded at the end of 2001

What?

Did Hawthorn trade a KPD in Croad to Freo or not?

Of course you clearly KNEW IN ADVANCE that Freo would trade him back, just as you KNEW Richmond wouldn't take Buddy with their second pick and just as you KNEW Geelong would miss loads of set shots in the 08 Grand Final.

 

[RoyalBlue]

I don't think any Hawks supporters have said he is.

Kangaroos supporters seem to think that is our opinion but i can assure you it is not.

We needed to trade for a defender last year and i don't think too many clubs are willing to trade away genuine kpd.

I wasn't referring specifically to the many sons of podiatrists that frequent this board believing that.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Good post.

Except for the bit where he says he can't understand why any North supporter would have any animosity toward him.

Peter Bell left North and I was happy for him. Byron Pickett did too and I had no probs. Even poor old Corey McKernan went and I could understand why.

Dogbreath Gibson announces it in the media to head to Hawthorn who are gloating the second he arrives?

Crap effort. But at least he's probably at his natural home - he barracked for them as a kid etc.

 

[Neville Bartos]

What?

Did Hawthorn trade a KPD in Croad to Freo or not?

Of course you clearly KNEW IN ADVANCE that Freo would trade him back, just as you KNEW Richmond wouldn't take Buddy with their second pick and just as you KNEW Geelong would miss loads of set shots in the 08 Grand Final.

Not exactly, more pointing out that stuff that happened in 2001 has little relevance to today as that's what SA HAWK was talking about.
Hawthorn also had Jonathan Hay and Jade Rawlings back then (seems as though we LOVE trading away Key-defenders although it usually becomes vindicated), so the loss of Croad wasn't seen as such a big deal to Uber-Coach Peter Schwab.

If Brian Lake, Scarlett, Rutten or Glass was available for trade last year, you can guarantee we would have gone after them, but as they weren't, were we supposed to sit around and do nothing? Gibbo will be of much more use to us over the next 5 years than Ryan Bastinac / Ayden Kennedy (whoever you picked with no.25) ever will be.

 

[Neville Bartos]

Except for the bit where he says he can't understand why any North supporter would have any animosity toward him.

Peter Bell left North and I was happy for him. Byron Pickett did too and I had no probs. Even poor old Corey McKernan went and I could understand why.

Dogbreath Gibson announces it in the media to head to Hawthorn who are gloating the second he arrives?

Crap effort. But at least he's probably at his natural home - he barracked for them as a kid etc.

Hahaha, forgotten Leigh Colbert have we? That was the ultimate betrayal. At least Gibbo emptied his locker before he left...

 

[doodlefeatures]

Is there anything funnier than SweetLeftFoot's dislike of all things Hawthorn? It's absolutely hilarious.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Is there anything funnier than SweetLeftFoot's dislike of all things Hawthorn? It's absolutely hilarious.

Yes, the notion that you either traded for a KPD in Gibbo, or didn't.
Which is it?

Because Josh can be very good at football, but not as a week in week out KPD.

 

[yeahmate]

From what I saw of North last year Gibson is still a better backman at this stage of their careers than L Hansen. I can understand though how North in rebuilding mode might be more likely to play Hansen over Gibson in defence as they look to the future.

But I would have thought swapping out Gibson for Hansen at this time would immediately weaken North's defence overall. Gibson was after all fifth in their B&F last year - not sure where Hansen ranked?

On the Hawks side, I dont think he alone will be the answer to the backline issues from last year but he will certainly be an improvement.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Gibbo will be of much more use to us over the next 5 years than Ryan Bastinac / Ayden Kennedy (whoever you picked with no.25) ever will be.

We actually took Aaron Black.

How can I argue with such a post laden with in depth footy knowledge?

BTW - Bastinac. You watch and learn.

 

[doodlefeatures]

Yes, the notion that you either traded for a KPD in Gibbo, or didn't.
Which is it?

Because Josh can be very good at football, but not as a week in week out KPD.

I have no idea, you'd probably need to check with the Hawthorn footy dept. I don't recall ever making a comment either way, and seeing as he hasn't ever stepped on the field as a Hawthorn player I'm in no position to know where he's going to play.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

From what I saw of North last year Gibson is still a better backman at this stage of their careers than L Hansen. I can understand though how North in rebuilding mode might be more likely to play Hansen over Gibson in defence as they look to the future.

But I would have thought swapping out Gibson for Hansen at this time would immediately weaken North's defence overall. Gibson was after all fifth in their B&F last year - not sure where Hansen ranked?

On the Hawks side, I dont think he alone will be the answer to the backline issues from last year but he will certainly be an improvement.

I know it was a practice match but a North defence sans Gibbo Le Bawbag shut down Mooney and Hawkins being fed by the top line Geelong midfield last week to win the game.

Unlike Hawthorn, we didn't rely on them missing set shots.

 

[yeahmate]

I know it was a practice match but a North defence sans Gibbo Le Bawbag shut down Mooney and Hawkins being fed by the top line Geelong midfield last week to win the game.

Unlike Hawthorn, we didn't rely on them missing set shots.

Yeah I saw that game and you guys looked promising. Not trying to rain too much on your parade though but Cats looked very much in second gear except for that third quarter onslaught.

Still thought that Hansen looked pretty raw although I can see why North supporters are hopeful he will become a good player. I just dont think right at this stage of their careers you could honestly say that Hansen is capable of doing a better job than Gibson. Not saying he wont be better in the long term, but if you were playing in a grand final tomorrow I think Gibson would still be way ahead as to who would get selected first to hold down a key defensive position.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Gibson was after all fifth in their B&F last year - not sure where Hansen ranked?

Hansen was leading our our B+F before he tore his hammy off the bone.

Here's a bit of his efforts in that period you may recall.

[YOUTUBE]S2zVPu3mvUo[/YOUTUBE]

Lachie is already a better KPD than Josh and will have a far superior career in that position.

But Josh can certainly play a role for you.

 

[SA HAWK]

What?

Did Hawthorn trade a KPD in Croad to Freo or not?

Of course you clearly KNEW IN ADVANCE that Freo would trade him back, just as you KNEW Richmond wouldn't take Buddy with their second pick and just as you KNEW Geelong would miss loads of set shots in the 08 Grand Final.

Yes we did but it doesn't happen very often does it? It turned out well for us but it was a pretty dumb move.

What defender should we have traded for in your opinion?

None of the really good kpd would have been open for trade.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

I have no idea, you'd probably need to check with the Hawthorn footy dept. I don't recall ever making a comment either way, and seeing as he hasn't ever stepped on the field as a Hawthorn player I'm in no position to know where he's going to play.

Given Josh is on the record as saying as he went to you lot to play in the backline ...

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Yes we did but it doesn't happen very often does it?.

So it never happens but it did?

 

[doodlefeatures]

Hansen was leading our our B+F before he tore his hammy off the bone.

Here's a bit of his efforts in that period you may recall.

[YOUTUBE]S2zVPu3mvUo[/YOUTUBE]

Lachie is already a better KPD than Josh and will have a far superior career in that position.

But Josh can certainly play a role for you.

I also recall Hawthorn winning that game quite comfortably, I especially enjoyed sitting in the, half full, North members area on level 2 - fair to say the shoulder chips were on full display that day.

 

[doodlefeatures]

Given Josh is on the record as saying as he went to you lot to play in the backline ...

Well if you already know the answer, did he say he was going to play as a backman or key position defender?