Hamish McIntosh - What's He Worth

[Upgrayedd]

He would have to be worth a top 5 pick seeing that apparently cameron wood is worth pick 14 :S

The thing is that Cameron Wood is NOT worth pick 14, FFS do you believe if a club got Mcpharlin and Croad that Melbourne would trade them pick 1?

Clubs are smarter and not going to throw away high first round picks for promising ruckmen who havent made it yet.

As i said, Top 10 Pick, Or you could say a top 5-10 player at a club and a second round pick, Something like Adcock/Pick 20-24

As for Griffin? That would actually be not half bad, Give Griffin more chance to prove himself without playing under Cooney/Boyd, While Hamish rotating up forward would give them a much needed new avenue towards goals. Roughead and Cordy are promising but are not going to have an impact for another few years, while you could mould one into a KPP and have a shot at the flag next year

Griffin/Wells on the wings at the Kangaroo's would take pressure off Wells as well,

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

The thing is that Cameron Wood is NOT worth pick 14, FFS do you believe if a club got Mcpharlin and Croad that Melbourne would trade them pick 1?

Clubs are smarter and not going to throw away high first round picks for promising ruckmen who havent made it yet.
As i said, Top 10 Pick, Or you could say a top 5-10 player at a club and a second round pick, Something like Adcock/Pick 20-24

As for Griffin? That would actually be not half bad, Give Griffin more chance to prove himself without playing under Cooney/Boyd, While Hamish rotating up forward would give them a much needed new avenue towards goals. Roughead and Cordy are promising but are not going to have an impact for another few years, while you could mould one into a KPP and have a shot at the flag next year

Griffin/Wells on the wings at the Kangaroo's would take pressure off Wells as well,

Overall a good post although I'd suggest Hamish has moved beyond promising young ruckman, to quality young ruckman. Was on the verge of AA in 2007, injured last year, having a stellar season this season that could well be rewarded with AA.

Being thereabouts for AA two out of three years indicates you have made it.

A centreline of Griffen - Ziebell - Wells would be brilliant at North.

 

[The Panther]

No club would part a Top 10 draft pick for McIntosh. He's a quality player no doubt, but Petrie is a much better player.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

No club would part a Top 10 draft pick for McIntosh. He's a quality player no doubt, but Petrie is a much better player.

2 years older though.

 

[The Panther]

2 years older though.

Not really relevant.

The emergence of Mitch Clarke / Ryder this year & the fall of Cox / Sandilands would have counted against McIntoshes value.

 

[trenners]

No club would part a Top 10 draft pick for McIntosh. He's a quality player no doubt, but Petrie is a much better player.

ok, but ur willing to take cameron wood for pick 14? i am haapy to say that mac is twice the player wood is.

 

[Upgrayedd]

ok, but ur willing to take cameron wood for pick 14? i am haapy to say that mac is twice the player wood is.

And your willing to take Jon Hay for 2 first round picks then obviously?

You are a horrible poster.

Wood has obviously struggled with his development comming to the pies but nobody would doubt the kid has some talent and the pies were ready to part ways with a top pick to what they believed would be a top ruck prospect.

Hamish is obviously better, But i dont think clubs right now are as despirate as the pies were back then to get a hold on a ruckman

oh SLF, i wasnt referring to Mcintosh as just a young talented ruckman, he's obviously has "made" it and would be in the top 5 ruckmen of this year.

This is including the fact that the big clubs like Geelong/Dogs/Saints/Hawks/Pies will not have a pick under 10, and are the only ones in the chase, other clubs will hold onto their first pick because of the GC to evade the trap of when most the players are 27 and they are left with a gap betwen young guns and seasoned veterins

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

oh SLF, i wasnt referring to Mcintosh as just a young talented ruckman, he's obviously has "made" it and would be in the top 5 ruckmen of this year.

This is including the fact that the big clubs like Geelong/Dogs/Saints/Hawks/Pies will not have a pick under 10, and are the only ones in the chase, other clubs will hold onto their first pick because of the GC to evade the trap of when most the players are 27 and they are left with a gap betwen young guns and seasoned veterins

Fair enough.

On Hay - he was a 25 year old AA full back when we were screaming out for a key defender. Obviously had we known how it would turn out, it wouldn't have happened.

I never supported the Hay trade - never liked the Colbert deal either - but given Laidley's timescale was to win a flag by 2007, I can see why he did it.

 

[trenners]

And your willing to take Jon Hay for 2 first round picks then obviously?

You are a horrible poster.

Wood has obviously struggled with his development comming to the pies but nobody would doubt the kid has some talent and the pies were ready to part ways with a top pick to what they believed would be a top ruck prospect.

Hamish is obviously better, But i dont think clubs right now are as despirate as the pies were back then to get a hold on a ruckman

oh SLF, i wasnt referring to Mcintosh as just a young talented ruckman, he's obviously has "made" it and would be in the top 5 ruckmen of this year.

This is including the fact that the big clubs like Geelong/Dogs/Saints/Hawks/Pies will not have a pick under 10, and are the only ones in the chase, other clubs will hold onto their first pick because of the GC to evade the trap of when most the players are 27 and they are left with a gap betwen young guns and seasoned veterins

i never said jon hay was worth that, now did i???? wat i was saying is that if cam wood can go for pick 14, mac can easily get a top 10 pick wich he was saying he couldnt get. read wat im saying next time, never did i say it was a bad recruit

 

[Ruse]

To be fair to Cameron Wood, he was showing some really good potential while at brisbane. He was a skilled tap ruckman and also took a couple of nice grabs in the forward line and from memory, was only about 20-21 years old when he was traded and there was a significant lack of quality ruckmen that were available to be traded at the time so Collingwood had no choice but to cough up pick 14 because the pies 2nd round pick weren't gonna do it. Too bad he hasn't really come on at the pies.

 

[Upgrayedd]

i never said jon hay was worth that, now did i???? wat i was saying is that if cam wood can go for pick 14, mac can easily get a top 10 pick wich he was saying he couldnt get. read wat im saying next time, never did i say it was a bad recruit

Did Panther EVER say that Cameron Wood was worth Pick 14 You gimp? Worry about what you are saying rather then what everyone else is saying next time champ before you start attacking other peoples opinions

 

[Ants]

Such a pointless thread and obviously just made for an ego boost. Unless North are stupid, they're not going to trade him as he's been your best player this year. To also suggest the club would want 2 first round picks or more is laughable, that's a Judd like trade and Hmac is good player but far from elite. At most you would get is a late first-round + second rounder.

So why is McIntosh worth so much less than Ottens or Everitt were? In a weak draft.

 

[Barnzy]

So why is McIntosh worth so much less than Ottens or Everitt were? In a weak draft.

Because:

a) Ottens was the better player than Hmac.
b) Clubs don't want to give their top draft picks away in a 'weak draft' that is the last pure draft until 2013 (besides the 17yo's) as the top shelf talent as still very good but it doesnt run as deep.

 

[Z_K]

a) Ottens was the better player than Hmac.

At 24? You sure about that?

 

[Barnzy]

At 24? You sure about that?

Yes, because Ottens has/had a much better ability of pushing forward and becoming dominant up there in games than McIntosh does.

 

[KUNG FU]

On Cameron Wood, the story goes that Collingwood were not interested in using 14 as they wanted to pick McCarthy and they correctly anticipated he would drop to them in their second round. My impression is that a lot of the players that were around that mark in the 2007 were quite polarizing amongst recruiting managers; players like Dangerfield, Rioli, Lobbe, Grimes, Vez all had their fans and critics.

 

[The Panther]

On Cameron Wood, the story goes that Collingwood were not interested in using 14 as they wanted to pick McCarthy and they correctly anticipated he would drop to them in their second round.

07 was the weakest draft for sometime. Add the fact that in the PF, Brad Ottens, a ruckman, stood between Collingwood winning a flag. That is why a 1st Round was used.

It's still way too early to label the Wood trade a flop or success but on the whole, I've been disapointed in Wood's application thus far. Flogs like the General/Luke Darcy have written off a ruckman, who won't flourish for at least 2 years.

I stand by my comment that McIntosh will not generate a pick higher than 10 if he was on the trade table.

 

[kingsnapper]

yes, because ottens has/had a much better ability of pushing forward and becoming dominant up there in games than mcintosh does.

ottens is a hasbeen?

 

[Barnzy]

ottens is a hasbeen?

What's your point?

 

[Pykie]

07 was the weakest draft for sometime. Add the fact that in the PF, Brad Ottens, a ruckman, stood between Collingwood winning a flag. That is why a 1st Round was used.

It's still way too early to label the Wood trade a flop or success but on the whole, I've been disapointed in Wood's application thus far. Flogs like the General/Luke Darcy have written off a ruckman, who won't flourish for at least 2 years.

I stand by my comment that McIntosh will not generate a pick higher than 10 if he was on the trade table.

God, you certainly are a typical Collingwood imbicile.


You judge a draft, after players have had a chance to develop.

Its a hindsight scenario, you can't say, "We used a first rounder, because at the time it appeared like little value".

You cant determine the value of that pick, until you see what that pick could of potentially gained.


Weakest draft in some time.

Cyril Rioli went only 2 picks before that draft pick you gave away.


Kreuzer
Cotchin
Rioli
Palmer
Morton
Dangerfield
Veszpremi
Masten
Grimes
Rance
Ward
Selwood
Otten
S.Thompson
Bird
Walker



Certainly looks like a bloody strong draft to me.

Im not righting Wood off, but if Wood demanded a first round pick then McIntosh would demand a top 10 pick......... and the rest.

 

[Danny_CFC]

McIntosh would be worth a top 10 pick and a good player, hes had a great year and deserves to make All Australian.

 

[The Panther]

Certainly looks like a bloody strong draft to me.

Im not righting Wood off, but if Wood demanded a first round pick then McIntosh would demand a top 10 pick......... and the rest.

It was/is the weakest draft since 05'. The jury is well & truly and out on some of the players your raised.

Scott Thompson? Please.

No club would give a Top 10 pick for McIntosh.

 

[Pykie]

It was/is the weakest draft since 05'. The jury is well & truly and out on some of the players your raised.

Scott Thompson? Please.

No club would give a Top 10 pick for McIntosh.

The same Scott Thompson that during the week an All-Australian selector came out and said he was a serious chance to make the squad?

Jury's right out on that one.


Oh Collingwood supporters



So now you've turned "the weakest draft in some time", into; "the weakest draft out of 05,06 & 07"



You're kidding yourself If you think 07' isnt going to be stronger than 05'.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

So, a top ten pic in H, who is a big man (they take time) has now, after suitable time, turned into a top level gun with AA qualities, wouldn't get a top ten pick now.

Amazing logic.

 

[bucksisbest]

Hamish McIntosh is worth a top 10 pick , but in this current climate North probably wouldn't get a top 10 pick for him.
This time next year is when you may be able to cash in best , if you can convince him on a Gold Coast move. I strongly doubt that would be in North's thinking.