Free Agency Jack Graham - Heads to West Coast as FA

[dean33]

That Article has it at 4 years but yeah get your point.

I have a feeling they look at the sides, their picks and their current draft hand in how they make the determination.

2019 Richmond - B Ellis is like band 3 on a 600k 5 contract to the Suns
2019 GWS - The deal listed above

Both Grand Finalists

With this, we have a glut of picks and they just looked at it threw something there after being criticised on the compensation earlier.

Here is a great question I would love to look at. Do you get better FA Compensation if the deal is done earlier in the window or later?

If this was the first FA that went through on Friday we would have received band 2 or 3. However after the criticism they received after the battle pick the next one was always going to receive less. Just like we got shafted with the Ellis compo pick we’ve been shafted again.
Sort of like the first striking offence in rd one player gets off, media up in arms, same thing happens in rd 3 and player gets 2 weeks.

 

[adammania9]

Battle Pick #8 and Graham Pick #42 is a joke

I don't understand the relevance in comparing. Battle is a significantly better player and earned a much bigger and much longer contract.

 

[TY24]

I don't understand the relevance in comparing. Battle is a significantly better player and earned a much bigger and much longer contract.

There is none, Richmond fans are just having a sook because they don't know how the system works

 

[stallon]

Battle on 900k, perryman on 900k, cumming probably on 700-750k, and then Graham probably on 500k.
Imagine thinking Graham should fetch the same compo as any of the others there lmao

 

[THE_GUN]

Not too sure what the big deal is

We would have been happy to trade him for that if it was a trade and most wanted him delisted anyway
people are just disappointed it was not a bonus pick but it is what it is and move on.

Bonus is we save $500k a year and next year when cap trading comes in $1 mil will buy you a 1st round pick
No issue with me about this result

 

[THE_GUN]

Seems like he took a big paycut to join the Eagles. Very surprising to say the least

Probably did but that would be on the contract he has just come off

Last time he signed Crows & Blues chased him hard and Richmond signed him up to a bigger contract
This time Richmond offered him only a 3 year deal on low $$$ then made it 4 years

I would say the eagles offer would have been higher

 

[SplintWhisky]

There is none, Richmond fans are just having a sook because they don't know how the system works

To be fair, no one knows the system except the person who comes up with the compensation amounts.

 

[TY24]

To be fair, no one knows the system except the person who comes up with the compensation amounts.

True, but we know that the following things are taken into account:

• Length of new deal
• Players age
• Salary earned over the duration of the new deal.

The only thing Jack has going for him there is being 26. A 4 year deal at around 500k which is what he's rumoured to be earning is absolute chump change for a UFA.

 

[Cactus_]

Battle, Cummings

What a rip

 

[dean33]

True, but we know that the following things are taken into account:

• Length of new deal
• Players age
• Salary earned over the duration of the new deal.

The only thing Jack has going for him there is being 26. A 4 year deal at around 500k which is what he's rumoured to be earning is absolute chump change for a UFA.

Explain B Ellis netting us band 3/4 in 2019 please. Afl make it up as they go, anyone thinking otherwise is having a laugh.

 

[TY24]

Explain B Ellis netting us band 3/4 in 2019 please. Afl make it up as they go, anyone thinking otherwise is having a laugh.

Easy

• His contract was around 550-600k
• He only got one more year than Graham

Hence the similar compensation. Comparing a free agency deal from 5 years ago is really clutching at straws anyway.

 

[Cactus_]

Allow me to explain the AFL’s thinking

“Richmond has lots of other good draft picks this year, so we’ll downgrade them a level”

Also “Saint Kilda are perennial strugglers, we’ll give them a little hand up”

The “formula” we use is “commercial in confidence” so we can’t tell you the details, but trust us, it’s completely on the level

 

[Gavin Excell]

Allow me to explain the AFL’s thinking

“Richmond has lots of other good draft picks this year, so we’ll downgrade them a level”

Also “Saint Kilda are perennial strugglers, we’ll give them a little hand up”

The “formula” we use is “commercial in confidence” so we can’t tell you the details, but trust us, it’s completely on the level

Yes but you're missing one important factor

Graham isn't any good

 

[dean33]

Allow me to explain the AFL’s thinking

“Richmond has lots of other good draft picks this year, so we’ll downgrade them a level”

Also “Saint Kilda are perennial strugglers, we’ll give them a little hand up”

The “formula” we use is “commercial in confidence” so we can’t tell you the details, but trust us, it’s completely on the level

100%. Anyone thinking the afl follow an exact formula and don’t change things depending on the club still believe in fairies.

 

[dean33]

Easy

• His contract was around 550-600k
• He only got one more year than Graham

Hence the similar compensation. Comparing a free agency deal from 5 years ago is really clutching at straws anyway.

Not comparing Ellis to this year, compare him to Motlop from Geelong which I’m pretty sure was the same year which got the cats pick 19 which allowed them to trade for Gary Ablett. Afl make up rules as they go to allow for certain situations. Hence I believe the compensation pick should just be removed completely so clubs can’t manipulate things at the detriment of the rest of the competition.

 

[Moonatic77]

Yes but you're missing one important factor

Graham isn't any good

Probably not best 22 or close to fringe best.
I think you're still jaded though with what he did to you guys 2019 prelim. Do you remember that one?

 

[Cactus_]

Yes but you're missing one important factor

Graham isn't any good

Underrated defensive midfielder and at 26yo just coming into his prime

His loss is going to be tough to cover with whoever whoever is available at pick 42

Pick in the 20s as a minimum to any other team that finished on the bottom of the ladder

 

[stallon]

Underrated defensive midfielder and at 26yo just coming into his prime

His loss is going to be tough to cover with whoever whoever is available at pick 42

Pick in the 20s as a minimum to any other team that finished on the bottom of the ladder

Culley is available
Big bodied(194cm), hard runner, strong tackler. Lacks a bit of pace like Graham and can kick a goal.
Pick 42 would get it done

 

[Cactus_]

Culley is available
Big bodied(194cm), hard runner, strong tackler. Lacks a bit of pace like Graham and can kick a goal.
Pick 42 would get it done

Touché

 

[THE_GUN]

Culley is available
Big bodied(194cm), hard runner, strong tackler. Lacks a bit of pace like Graham and can kick a goal.
Pick 42 would get it done

Not sure which player is slower Culley or Brodie and neither run defensively

I doubt you will find any takers for him

 

[Dr Tigris]

The afl intentionally makes compensation as murky as possible to ensure that the afl's franchises in GWS and GC are able to dominate the draft every year. There are other mechanisms as well the afl uses to ensure their competitiveness with increased salary caps, larger lists and academies.

Compensation picks are a controlling device used by the afl to load the dice in favour of expansion teams.

Plus teams they want to do well. e.g. Saints this year. To be glass half full the AFL support team that need a hand up, and a harsh on teams that don't (e.g. tigers this draft year). So they super charge equalisation through compo picks.

Although that assumes the compo picks = better future performance. Probably on average correct.

 

[Dr Tigris]

That's is a bit surprising given 3 of your top 5 players are leaving

Graham is competing with players we have depth in (i.e. Taranto), not the guys leaving. Many Tiger fans are really down on him. But his role has been to be that hard running defensive mid. He creates opportunity for others and pressure on the opposition. Injuries and a down team mean that he hasn't been as valuable as he could be. If a team doesn't have that super hard working defensive mid then he is worth a lot. If they have a good one (Richmond has Taranto, much better than Graham) then Graham is sort of excess.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Just in case people still don't believe that there's an anti-Richmond agenda at the MMFL (Mickey Mouse Football League), have a look at this:

STEVEN Motlop is officially a Port Adelaide player after Geelong declined to match the Power's four-year, $2 million deal for the restricted free agent. As compensation, the Cats will receive an end of first round selection, which currently falls at pick No. 19.

Which got us Ablett and Kelly and ultimately Cameron.

Beautiful work.

 

[kranky al]

Explain B Ellis netting us band 3/4 in 2019 please. Afl make it up as they go, anyone thinking otherwise is having a laugh.

Yup.

Needs to be a published formula.

AFL amateur hors again

 

[Obeanie1]

Well so far so good for Jack.

Has come over in really good shape. Won the 2km trial last year and also the beep test last week.

He isn't quick but hopefully he's over the niggles of the past few years and can help the kids around stoppages and with transit play.