Hannebery's gotta go

[J_Moore]

As one poster said, " the most dangerous act this year".

It was very dangerous but I don't think it was at all intentional. You and a few others are suggesting Hannebery lined him up, but I don't think that's the case.

 

[PACatter]

As one poster said, " the most dangerous act this year".

You are correct.

Hurley playing the ball so terribly and using his head as a battering ram/shield from contact is the most dangerous act of the year.

 

[fabulousphil]

It was very dangerous but I don't think it was at all intentional. You and a few others are suggesting Hannebery lined him up, but I don't think that's the case.

Retrace my posts, i don't think Hanners is a dirty player, by and large he is a ball player, made a big mistake here though, had other options no matter what Longmire says, and he did not use them, he was aware of the situation.

If a player has his head over the ball, and another player is entering the contest he must take care, the last thing anyone wants is a serious neck injury and what Hanners did filtering down to park football

 

[Mister B]

One player had his head down fumbling attempting to pick the ball up.

The other coming from the other direction ended up making forceful front on contact high in an action that has the highest chance of causing serious neck injuries. Hurley could have ended up a paraplegic from that hit and Hannebury was reckless in his attack on the ball / player.

When I saw it in real time and Hurley reached for his head and neck I thought "oooh sh!t that's how you break your neck"

What I was absolutely stunned by was the doctors letting him get up and walk to the sidelines. I've heard of players fracturing their necks and playing on only to find out days later they were millimetres away from incurring a serious spinal injury.

Hannebury will get weeks simply because that bump is the most dangerous incident of any of the head high hits seen in a very long time. I don't think it was malicious but in that situation you simply cannot turn and make forceful front on contact how he did with a player bent down picking up the ball.

The ball was loose therefore both players are entitled to go for the ball.
Both players reach the ball at the same time.
Both players have their hands on the ball when contact is made.
Hannebury only turns the tail end of his body as his hands are over the ball, meaning he hasn't lined him up and can be considered to have acted in a way to protect himself from serious injury.
Based on the decision in the Viney case where there was no other option, the same finding will be made by the Tribunal if it even gets that far. There was no other realistic option for him to take and to suggest otherwise is just crap.

 

[Mister B]

Mate the ball was rolling along the ground and Hurely who is what 194cm was leaning down fumbling try to pick it up. In that position you are at you most vulnerable. You are assuming that in the split seconds involved he should have seen an opponent coming and decide that he should pull out of the contest or spin his body to avoid front on contact? Seriously?

The law protects the player going for the ball, Hurely was trying to pick it up. Onus is on the second player coming in to contest in a safe manner inside the laws of the game.................and not put people in wheel chairs.

They reached the ball at the same time. There is no second player to the contest.

 

[fabulousphil]

Anyway, I reckon Hannebery will probably go, because he's marginally second to that contest. But players need to learn to not run head first at balls like that. Not really something you can address in the rules, just common sense. This "head over the footy and run straight at it" stuff is nonsense.

That is junior coach nonsense, which i still hear from time to time around the traps, and admittedly i cringe a bit, particuarly when it is told to 12 year old boys.

Some kids have it inately to protect themselves and use their body, other kids don't and the bolded statement taken literally is just ridiculous.

It is a tough game, no doubts, and still very tough without imploring players to just do stupid things.

 

[J_Moore]

Retrace my posts, i don't think Hanners is a dirty player, by and large he is a ball player, made a big mistake here though, had other options no matter what Longmire says, and he did not use them, he was aware of the situation.

If a player has his head over the ball, and another player is entering the contest he must take care, the last thing anyone wants is a serious neck injury and what Hanners did filtering down to park football

I know you're not suggesting he is dirty, but you're suggesting he deliberately hit Hurley, and I don't reckon he did. He saw Hurley approach the contest, then turned to protect himself and attacked the football.

Negligent rather than reckless for mine (whatever the less serious, less intentional grading is).

The filtering down to park football comment is strange. What Hannebery did was approach the ball how everyone is taught to from junior levels.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I don't want him to go. He was competing for the ball and made no decision to bump.

I don't think he should go, I think it was just incidental contact that happens in an Aussie Rules game.

But sadly I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

 

[Mister B]

Retrace my posts, i don't think Hanners is a dirty player, by and large he is a ball player, made a big mistake here though, had other options no matter what Longmire says, and he did not use them, he was aware of the situation.

If a player has his head over the ball, and another player is entering the contest he must take care, the last thing anyone wants is a serious neck injury and what Hanners did filtering down to park football

I'd be interested to hear what you think his other options were?

 

[ShooterMcGavin8]

what did wingard get for his 0

hannerbery to get the same

 

[fabulousphil]

I'd be interested to hear what you think his other options were?

Go back through the thread, you see hundreds of contests similar through the season where the player approaches from a different angle, waits to tackle or corrall, anything but hit him front on.

You can't just run at someones head and neck because you feel you are playing the ball, the game does not work like that.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

TBH, this is the most dangerous incident I can remember since the Long-Simmons bump in 2000. And my recollection is that there were howls and screams of protest for weeks about what Long did. And yet Long had far less time than Hannebery did last night to assess his options.

I think you might need to rewatch that one, because although it has it's similarities, Long's obvious intentions were for the player and not the ball. Also, it's just fun to watch The Ox take on three Bombers and then body slam Hird into the turf. Ha ha, what a legend!

 

[fabulousphil]

I know you're not suggesting he is dirty, but you're suggesting he deliberately hit Hurley, and I don't reckon he did. He saw Hurley approach the contest, then turned to protect himself and attacked the football.

Negligent rather than reckless for mine (whatever the less serious, less intentional grading is).

The filtering down to park football comment is strange. What Hannebery did was approach the ball how everyone is taught to from junior levels.

I would agree that kids are taught to use their body, keep their feet, and get down low and get the ball, but players are also taught that the head should not be hit, and all reasonable care should be taken to avoid it, Hanners did not.

It's pretty simple mate, if Pavlich or ablett did the same thing, i would still be saying the same thing.

 

[Halftimehero]

What's the confusion? he chose to bump. he made head high contact. Gone!!!

 

[Halftimehero]

I think you might need to rewatch that one, because although it has it's similarities, Long's obvious intentions were for the player and not the ball. Also, it's just fun to watch The Ox take on three Bombers and then body slam Hird into the turf. Ha ha, what a legend!

Thanks for cheering me up remembering when we were good

 

[fabulousphil]

I think you might need to rewatch that one, because although it has it's similarities, Long's obvious intentions were for the player and not the ball. Also, it's just fun to watch The Ox take on three Bombers and then body slam Hird into the turf. Ha ha, what a legend!

That is unerringly similar to how Neil Sachse became a quadriplegic, the you tube clip of that is somewhere on this thread.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Frankly, it's extremely lucky for both Hurley and Hannebery that nothing more serious happened to Hurley than him being badly stunned. It's only pure chance that he didn't end up paralysed in some form - because that's exactly the kind of contact that leads to it. We are (or at least we were) taught from a young age that you can not bump a player, let alone forcefully, in the head while they are bent down to pick up the ball - and I'm staggered that anyone is pretending otherwise. The head has always been at its most sacrosanct in Aussie Rules in that situation. Hannebery had a clear duty of care in this set of circumstances - and he failed it.

Seriously ? You were taught that. Don't say "we" because I was never taught that. More about picking up the ball and getting your backside into your opponent and absorbing the hit. Heard plenty about tucking in the elbow and bumping a player but not "you can not bump a player"

 

[Halftimehero]

Seriously ? You were taught that. Don't say "we" because I was never taught that. More about picking up the ball and getting your backside into your opponent and absorbing the hit. Heard plenty about tucking in the elbow and bumping a player but not "you can not bump a player"

Bump till your hearts content, but get them in the head and your gone, simple.

 

[fabulousphil]

Seriously ? You were taught that. Don't say "we" because I was never taught that. More about picking up the ball and getting your backside into your opponent and absorbing the hit. Heard plenty about tucking in the elbow and bumping a player but not "you can not bump a player"

Seriously this has to be one of the weakest posts in this whole thread, finish reading the sentence and he states in the head, you can't bump in the head, not you can't bump ... fullstop.

 

[Blotter]

I think you might need to rewatch that one, because although it has it's similarities, Long's obvious intentions were for the player and not the ball. Also, it's just fun to watch The Ox take on three Bombers and then body slam Hird into the turf. Ha ha, what a legend!

You've missed my point. I wasn't condoning Long's actions nor necessarily equating the two incidents, other than to (ironically) point out Long actually had less time to make a decision than Hannebery did. (He also got a huge suspension, incidentally, for it for an incident in an era when there was no widespread sanctioning of head high bumping at all, unlike now.)

What I was suggesting was that I can't remember a worse incident for head high contact than Hannebery's since the time of the Long one.

 

[Blotter]

Seriously ? You were taught that. Don't say "we" because I was never taught that. More about picking up the ball and getting your backside into your opponent and absorbing the hit. Heard plenty about tucking in the elbow and bumping a player but not "you can not bump a player"

For God's sake. Take your Sydney glasses off for a second, and actually read people's posts, please.

 

[Halftimehero]

It's the worst possible bump, front on, head high contact whilst the player has his head over the ball, this is exactly what the AFL are desperately trying to stamp out of the game, Haneberry failed in his duty of care for a player in Hurley's position.

 

[PACatter]

Retrace my posts, i don't think Hanners is a dirty player, by and large he is a ball player, made a big mistake here though, had other options no matter what Longmire says, and he did not use them, he was aware of the situation.

If a player has his head over the ball, and another player is entering the contest he must take care, the last thing anyone wants is a serious neck injury and what Hanners did filtering down to park football

That's a load of crap.

Other than stop, put his hands in the air an allow Hurley to pick up the ball and not contest it, no, he didn't. Or are you suggesting he should've spun or pirouetted?

Also, can we stop calling it a bump? It wasn't a bump. It was a contest, and a collision. There was no effort there to bump or shepherd, the only effort was to win the ball.

 

[Halftimehero]

That's a load of crap.

Other than stop, put his hands in the air an allow Hurley to pick up the ball and not contest it, no, he didn't. Or are you suggesting he should've spun or pirouetted?

Also, can we stop calling it a bump? It wasn't a bump. It was a contest, and a collision. There was no effort there to bump or shepherd, the only effort was to win the ball.

His first action was to initiate contact with Hurley and then win the ball, of course it was a bump.

 

[PACatter]

His first action was to initiate contact with Hurley and then win the ball, of course it was a bump.

How about you take your blinders off. But we know that won't happen with a Bombers supporter...

His first action was to set up to grab the ball. Watch the video again. He touches the ball before he collides with Hurley.