Coach Has Ken Hinkley Been Found Out?

[Franc de Borges]

Thread is 12 months too late. Carlton beat them last year.

The other wins came against St.Kilda, Melbourne and an Ablett-less Suns. Think about it.

 

[Mego Red]

I'm actually not sure we even tried in the first place, to be able to give up yesterday. Was pathetic. As for 'form for it', well, all football clubs go through highs and lows. You guys are a bit different as your shareholders will never allow your corporation to bottom out as large profits will not be made

LOL - you've been so found out, Portsmeff, I'm not sure how you can still bring yourself to watch AFL.

You have a fake team founded in 1997, who tries to live off the success of others.

You have a corporation that cares more about its customers and Pregame experiences than it does succeeding on the field.

You've tried to buy a flag with Ryder and Dixon and you've gambled your future away on them.

We were built through the collective efforts of a number of clubs, to represent them all. That's why we have too much pride to give up, like the Power has.

 

[John Hart Jnr]

I don't think he's been "found out" so much as the interchange cap has eroded his gameplan, the players cannot play that style of footy for an entire match anymore because they don't get to come off for a rest as often.

The gameplan has changed to take into account the 90 interchange cap. We also seem to be pushing our entire defense up the field and both St Kilda and the Crows scored a lot of goals by moving the ball quickly and going over the top. The inside 50 count of 70 to 55 teĺs the tale. Our forward line isn't effective enough and our defensive game plan isnt working.

Personnel wise we are a long way from the top 4 and are sitting in the 7 to 12 part of the table. I fear what teams like Sydney and the Buĺldogs can do to us.

 

[pjcrows]

One thing I’ve noticed is when it’s all falling apart on the ground, often when they flash up to Kenny he’s wearing that dead still, vacant thousand yard stare.

No-one knows it better than us… Knights had it 2010 and Hird wore it last year… ie “this is a mess and I have absolutely zero idea how to fix it”

Never a good sign.

Hinkley is mirroring the Sanderson tenure at Adelaide almost perfectly.

 

[Papa G]

Hinkley is mirroring the Sanderson tenure at Adelaide almost perfectly.

Sando used a mirror in a way Kenny never would.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

The gameplan has changed to take into account the 90 interchange cap. We also seem to be pushing our entire defense up the field and both St Kilda and the Crows scored a lot of goals by moving the ball quickly and going over the top. The inside 50 count of 70 to 55 teĺs the tale. Our forward line isn't effective enough and our defensive game plan isnt working.

Personnel wise we are a long way from the top 4 and are sitting in the 7 to 12 part of the table. I fear what teams like Sydney and the Buĺldogs can do to us.

Port was getting just as badly beaten from stoppage to goal conversion as they were being Joe the goosed, it doesn't all come down to the press up.
Adelaide is very efficient going forward when it's not a rushed up and under from a midfielder, most of Port's I50's would of been bombs to Dixon, who may get one contested mark per game, it's just not a reliable avenue to goal. At least 3 of the goals Port got were by virtue of a very good bounce, that doesn't leave you convinced like you say that it's working but it would be more due to DE% and pressure on the ball carrier, Port needed to get the ball in the hands of someone who could hit a target free from pressure and they didn't do so.

 

[Portsmeff]

LOL - you've been so found out, Portsmeff, I'm not sure how you can still bring yourself to watch AFL.

You have a fake team founded in 1997, who tries to live off the success of others.

You have a corporation that cares more about its customers and Pregame experiences than it does succeeding on the field.

You've tried to buy a flag with Ryder and Dixon and you've gambled your future away on them.

We were built through the collective efforts of a number of clubs, to represent them all. That's why we have too much pride to give up, like the Power has.

geez that probably the most lamest reply Ive ever seen

 

[John Hart Jnr]

Port was getting just as badly beaten from stoppage to goal conversion as they were being Joe the goosed, it doesn't all come down to the press up.

The Crows scored 11 goals in fast break transition from the defensive 50. Port didn't score one.

There wasn't much difference in the centre clearances and clearances from stoppages and Port came out slightly ahead in hitouts.

The Crows did possess the ball more than Port when they couldn't get the fast break. The uncontested possessions and uncontested marks attest to that.

Adelaide is very efficient going forward when it's not a rushed up and under from a midfielder, most of Port's I50's would of been bombs to Dixon, who may get one contested mark per game, it's just not a reliable avenue to goal.

I agree with that.

At least 3 of the goals Port got were by virtue of a very good bounce, that doesn't leave you convinced like you say that it's working but it would be more due to DE% and pressure on the ball carrier, Port needed to get the ball in the hands of someone who could hit a target free from pressure and they didn't do so.

Yep Hartlett out and Polec getting a March injury (he is far from match ready) hurt us. Dixon is not a great key forward but there aren't many our there nowadays. Once the players get used to his strength and weaknesses they get more out of each other.

The season is only two games in. Theres a lot of foorball to come.

 

[John Hart Jnr]

geez that probably the most lamest reply Ive ever seen

I didn't consider it worth replying to.

 

[Del165198]

not sure why i clicked this thread, knew it would be another adelaide vs port shitfight.

give it a rest, who cares?

 

[Experimental]

Paul Roos to Port Adelaide in 2017?

 

[fishardansin]

Completely agree with your first point, we had a very good run of injuries in 2013 and 2014. We also caught alot of teams off guard as well. Personally dont think we got ahead of our selves with trading for ryder and dixon. Most teams played with 2 rucks and shulz isnt getting any younger so we had a opportunity to get good senior players. Add in the fact our draw was on the easier side those 2 years we finished well but we also did pretty well in the finals beating collingwood in 2013, with a respectable loss to geelong, then following up in 2014 beating the dockers and earning huge respect in the prelim. in 2015 we only missed the finals by a game, and we had fairly bad injury run with argually the toughest draw with all of our double up games the teams ended up finishing in the finals. Still no excuse but a half explanation.

Coming into to 2015 a huge point which is overlooked is that the coaches we lost the previous 2 years in Alan Richardson and Phil Walsh. The fact they both became senior coaches shows the quality we lost and i dont think we replaced that quality as good as we should have. I dont think our list is that bad but we have looked structurally worse off since 2015 and id say that losing those 2 coaches has been greatly underestimated.

Mind you going through out injury list we are a bit short on depth with i think is an issue also especially with no ryder and monfries, we have no one to replace players, especially if we need to drop someone on poor form. Luckily our list is still decently young.

Despite what some are saying here I think Hinkley is a good leader and steady hand going forward. However, its pretty obvious that coaching is a team effort in this day and age and there needs to be some tinkering of the team. Yes getting a second ruck for Lobbe was a good idea. I just think you chased the wrong one and I can totally see why your club made the mistake.

In my eyes Ryder SHOULD be the second best forward who can then go and pinch hit in the ruck. His physical abilities indicate this to be so. 196cm who is fast enough to chase down Yarran, has a leap that is big enough to allow him to be an awesome tap ruckman while giving away 6cm to most opponents, amazingly clean hands in a marking contest, to go with his pace he is really good below his knees and he is an amazing set shot for goal from any angle within 55m.

Unfortunately he goes missing when he has to wait for the ball for some reason. It's almost like he gets bored and loses concentration. He is a genuine follower and doing so is the only way he enjoys the game. His best football at Essendon was when Hille and Bellchambers were not available and he was pretty much the only ruck.

For this reason he was the wrong guy to pick if you wanted a partner for Lobbe. Tippet or Hale are players that come to mind who would fill the role that you needed. Having said that with your run and gun style of play Ryder is a better fit for the team than Lobbe and if you could have traded him out you could probably have turned it into a late first round pick and a journey man to do the role that the Hawks had Hale doing, or you could have traded him out for Dixon in a three way ... which would have killed you this year. However, it's a decision that will have to be made at the end of this year.

Also I think if you can replace Carlisle for someone of better quality somehow and keep Trengrove out there you have two very good KPDs then. I like some of your medium talls. You have to get rid of Pittard though. Seriously in some games the bombers have played you guys I felt like he was our best player! I also think you need more inside mids. Having said that, the teams with big bodied mids who I thought would do very well this year, like Freo and Richmond, are not.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

2015 called, it wants its thread back.

 

[marty36]

The gameplan has changed to take into account the 90 interchange cap. We also seem to be pushing our entire defense up the field and both St Kilda and the Crows scored a lot of goals by moving the ball quickly and going over the top. The inside 50 count of 70 to 55 teĺs the tale. Our forward line isn't effective enough and our defensive game plan isnt working.

Personnel wise we are a long way from the top 4 and are sitting in the 7 to 12 part of the table. I fear what teams like Sydney and the Buĺldogs can do to us.

There is a clear top 4 and a clear bottom 4, but everything inbetween will be determined by injury, including Adelaide in that middle section. Unfortunately Port start two down, no fault of their own, but the fault of those two idiots for not thinking of their club and taking a deal last year and they would be playing now!

 

[Papa G]

There is a clear top 4 and a clear bottom 4, but everything inbetween will be determined by injury, including Adelaide in that middle section. Unfortunately Port start two down, no fault of their own, but the fault of those two idiots for not thinking of their club and taking a deal last year and they would be playing now!

Who are the clear top 4?

 

[John Hart Jnr]

There is a clear top 4 and a clear bottom 4, but everything inbetween will be determined by injury, including Adelaide in that middle section. Unfortunately Port start two down, no fault of their own, but the fault of those two idiots for not thinking of their club and taking a deal last year and they would be playing now!

Yawn. Tell me about Tippett, Gunston and Dangerfield too them.

Then tell me about Trigg, Chapman and the four missing draft picks.

 

[the PILL]

Ken reminds me of Harry Telford ... Flogs champions way beyond their aerobic ability and then shrugs his shoulders when it doesn't work and trains them even harder... Over and over I hear him say that we aren't playing the way "we want to" etc.. FFS Ken your flogging them past their actual threshold you stubborn idiot...

 

[marty36]

Yawn. Tell me about Tippett, Gunston and Dangerfield too them.

Then tell me about Trigg, Chapman and the four missing draft picks.

I was actually sticking up for your team, saying you have been screwed by a couple of dipshits who didn't need to stick up for their previous club and suffer the consequences they have, most teams can cope with 3 top 22 players out but losing them has you more like 5 or 6 down, top 22 players when you include white, Krak, Schulz, Hartlett

 

[John Hart Jnr]

I was actually sticking up for your team, saying you have been screwed by a couple of dipshits who didn't need to stick up for their previous club and suffer the consequences they have, most teams can cope with 3 top 22 players out but losing them has you more like 5 or 6 down, top 22 players when you include white, Krak, Schulz, Hartlett

Your a bit harsh on them. After reading the CAS decision I understand why they are banned. After the AFL commissions review early last year I understand why they thought all the blame lay with Essendon. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[marty36]

Your a bit harsh on them. After reading the CAS decision I understand why they are banned. After the AFL commissions review early last year I understand why they thought all the blame lay with Essendon. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Sorry but Port would have told them to take a deal and they would have ignored their recommendation, in other words they were dipshits and have now let them down because of it along with their teammates

 

[bresker]

Hinkley will be gone this year or next. There is something rotten in the state of Port Adelaide. Not sure exactly what but clearly there are massive problems behind the scenes. The players simply can't cope with pressure served up to them.

 

[PP34]

Seem like a one hit wonder team that absolutely loved playing under Hinkley in 2013/2014, clearly fired up at all the criticism about the club and wanted to prove them wrong. Plus the McCarthy death.

They never had an elite side in 2014 when they came close to a grand final, but they played footy seemingly on the back of inspiration and other teams seemed to be surprised by just how far they were going.

I've never really seen a team with such poor recent seasons play with such fearlessness and determination like they did that year.

 

[Zarrix]

That game in 2014 vs Sydney at the SCG was one of the best H/A games I've ever seen (definitely only behind 2009 Geelong and St Kilda). Good finals campaign aside in 2014, its all gone wrong since then.

Two reasons I think. 1: Hinkley isn't tactically astute and Crazy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed for the bailout. 2: They took this hysteria surround their fitness too far and ran them into the ground. Also lost far too much weight as a team. Just don't look strong anymore.

 

[themuldohyeh]

That game in 2014 vs Sydney at the SCG was one of the best H/A games I've ever seen (definitely only behind 2009 Geelong and St Kilda). Good finals campaign aside in 2014, its all gone wrong since then.

Two reasons I think. 1: Hinkley isn't tactically astute and Crazy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed for the bailout. 2: They took this hysteria surround their fitness too far and ran them into the ground. Also lost far too much weight as a team. Just don't look strong anymore.

Pretty much.

Port 2014 were annoyingly good. Lost a bit of momentum when they lost some depth and made a late run at the finals.

Voss can't coach for shit. Sorry. Walsh and Richardson clearly impacting.

Reminds me of Craigy. Ran them into the ground and we peaked 05-06, had an edge that dissappeared rapidly. Then we looked slow and lethargic, couldn't tackle for s***. Lost the players.

Suddenly Sando comes in, bulks them up, we make a prelim again. Problem was, he couldn't coach for shit either.

Port have traded away 3 lots of first round draft picks and i really think it will backfire in a few years. They don't have the depth.

 

[Golumless]

I for one hope they give Hinkley a contract for life.