Have you actually seen anything since then to give you hope of seeing it again? They've been average at best, and if they can't get out of the funk in 40 odd games, then maybe that's a sign that they won't get out of it at all?
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Coach Has Ken Hinkley Been Found Out?
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Hinkley's coaching style reminds me a bit of Dean Bailey's. Expect the players to win by running harder than any other team, and design a game plan that absolutely caves defensively if they don't run harder than any other team.
You only have to fall to the point where the belief drops slightly, the players stop running harder than their opponents (because they subconsciously can't see the point), and you turn to shit.
You only have to fall to the point where the belief drops slightly, the players stop running harder than their opponents (because they subconsciously can't see the point), and you turn to shit.
I think his 2013'2014 was found out, in 2015 think he has made biggish changes with having dixon and Ryder up front and early 2016 form has been fixing that up so it works
That usually occurs when you get behind on the scoreboard, the head drops, this year is probably not going to help with reduced interchange, you simply cannot run without fatigue setting in and then disposal issues set in.
I got to say some of you Port folk know how to drop your heads too in the fan stakes!
I 'd say Port have youth and chance. More than you could say for the standstill individuals who play and coach at Fremantle.
Gee wiz you Port people think you've got problems. I'd say Freo look to have a loose wagon wheel, when it drops off the Comanche will get em!
I 'd say Port have youth and chance. More than you could say for the standstill individuals who play and coach at Fremantle.
Gee wiz you Port people think you've got problems. I'd say Freo look to have a loose wagon wheel, when it drops off the Comanche will get em!
Yeah great point, our depth is really bad let alone being 2 players out of our list. No excuse for the loss though you guys were so much better on and off the field (coaching), add in the fact that the one thing i give crows credit for is never bottoming out whilst still losing gunston, danger, davies, tippett, 2x 1st and 2x 2nd round picks.
Wish ryder and monfries took the deals, such a sh*t situation.
Best point/couldnt agree more: Voss can't coach for shit. Sorry. Walsh and Richardson clearly impacting.
I knew as soon as we lost walsh this would happen. You cant lose 20 years experience and replace it with voss. I mentioned in a previous post that there were reason walsh and richardson became full time coaches.
About the drafts picks, Dont completely agree but time will tell about the potential players we missed, could go either way. Personally i think the quality and type of players we got (dixon & ryder) will be fine as we recruited key position players whom are ready now instead of waiting 4-6 years for a player to develop.
Port stole a march on the comp with a quick game plan that required high running fitness to counter the Eade/Roos/Lyon evolution of flood and defence and the MM progression of that up the ground. Their list wasn't quite good enough to go all the way and now they've been caught by the peloton. They haven't improved the list enough in that time and so have been passed by a few. I don't think that means Hinkley has been found out but the recruiters may have been without early picks and Hinkley will have to show he can adapt.
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Good post. I like the "peloton has caught up analogy".
He is trying something different as we seem to be pushing up forward a lot more. I'm not exactly sure what he is trying but it seems as if the other 17 coaches seem to know.
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Voss was a sexy pick in a way. Had the experience with Brisbane, and the Recruit, was well known and was to be seen as a coup. That said, there was enough evidence to say Voss was the wrong person for Port at the time, and nothing has shown otherwise.
You needed a tactical mind to help with Hinkely, as he is just a motivator (who have a limited lifespan as top coaches). Walsh was that, Richardson was that. Voss... well who knows what Voss is as a coach. He doesn't even know.
That said though, it's becoming a cultural thing at Port. Go for style over substance.
That's all that really matters in the end isn't it?
Leigh Matthews said on AA late last year that every club that gets a fitness advantage only has it for three seasons maximum. Said that he had that at the Lions, Craigy had it in 05/06 and 97//98 (Neil Craig involved both eras), and it is never maintained long term. He reckoned it is a combination of the ability for the human body to maintain it for 40 plus weeks a year (season proper and preseason) and how fluid the industry is in regards to movement in support staff (Darren Burgess teaches also at UniSA and I would suggest these graduates have moved into the industry?), and thus other clubs catch up.
Aker said a similar thing on Adelaide radio in the off season, he was laughed at by many.
Really good point, can clearly see we don't have that advantage any more. People also need to realise that while burgess is great at what he does, his experience for liverpool and socceroos differs from footy as all professional soccer players have there own personal physios (something AFL should look into in regards to the bombers saga) as these players are worth big money and there agents have a lot of say as well because there essentially assets to the agents as well as clubs.
Not to take anything away from him as we was great but we were a rabble of a club so any person coming in and implementing a fitness regime would see massive improvements.
Spot on, sums up Hinkley perfectly. Vossy was the same as Hinkley at Brisbane, great motivator, horrible tactician. Had way too much faith in his players during games, when they were getting comprehensively beaten he would back them in to bounce back instead of making a change in game. We made finals in his first year then went downhill after that.
I'm not sure these two things are unrelated. At the end of 06 the Crows arguably lost the tactical brain from the box.
Luckily he's back there now.
Since the start of 2015 ...
If you look at their biggest win, it was against a second string Freo team that was sent over to allow a rest for the first 22 before the finals. Definitely get thumbs up for beating the Hawks in the last two encounters ... but outside of that there is not much to make a song and dance about.
Losing Ryder and Monfries is huge. Boak is injured, as is Wingard after the showdown. If Schulz doesn't recover soon it could get really ugly. Robbie Gray and Ollie Wines can only do so much. Heaven forbid Dixon gets injured, which is always a possibility.
I don't see where the improvement will come from in 2016? I really like Brendan Ah Chee, and Oli Wines is just a gun ... but IMO, there are some massive hard yards to be done to get the team back into the top 8, let alone the top 4.
If you look at their biggest win, it was against a second string Freo team that was sent over to allow a rest for the first 22 before the finals. Definitely get thumbs up for beating the Hawks in the last two encounters ... but outside of that there is not much to make a song and dance about.
Losing Ryder and Monfries is huge. Boak is injured, as is Wingard after the showdown. If Schulz doesn't recover soon it could get really ugly. Robbie Gray and Ollie Wines can only do so much. Heaven forbid Dixon gets injured, which is always a possibility.
I don't see where the improvement will come from in 2016? I really like Brendan Ah Chee, and Oli Wines is just a gun ... but IMO, there are some massive hard yards to be done to get the team back into the top 8, let alone the top 4.
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Did you watch the game? Ryder and Monfries would have helped ... but it is a huge call to say they would have turned the result.
Monfires is a good player, Ryder is a great ruckman ... no way any Power supporter agrees with Monfires being top 10.
Some real issues in the method at the Power ... like Freo, the new system has not taken yet.
Defensively they are lost atm.
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Yes, we were thumped on the scoreboard, but we had more inside 50s, and 31 scoring shots to your 34. Clearly not "comprehensively thumped in every area of the ground". "Beaten..." I could accept.
Not in the top 10 at all and id think gus would be on the fringe if he was available.
But still any senior player is a loss. No Ryder and Gus just kills our depth as they are both experienced senior players. add in we've had a few injuries we were a bit depleted but at the end of the day we were clearly out played and out coached by the crows. I mentioned in a previous post that you guys have lost so many players over the years so it cant be used as an excuse.
Im not worried about the loss, but more they way we lost. Showdowns are always 50/50 games so it was just disappointing. I really am questioning our coaching as they are in part responsible for getting the best of the players tactically and also mentally, Not just Ken but the whole coaching team. Its relatively young/inexperienced so that might not help either.
Hope we bounce back and still push for the finals, im nor expecting us to have a huge impact but if we can get top 8 and potentially improve anything can happen.
I think those inside 50 stats are kind of irrelevant seeing how the Crows setup. The plan to draw the Power down the ground into our defensive press (not offensive press) then blast through / over the top was executed pretty well.
Scoring shots aren't a good measure unless you see where they were from and were they under-pressure. How many goals did AFC score running with multiple players into the open goal?
Which part of the ground did you think you were not thumped? Ruck, Stoppages, Centre Square, Defensive 50, Forward 50 ... The only bit that I think you can claim is the 3 metres around Robbie Gray.
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Only after watching it happen 20 times.You knew "the plan"???? Thanks Don.
