Four points and percentage booster to the Tigers next week.LOL. For a week. But ok. Still wouldn't want to drop 3 places; doesn't change the point much huh
5th place was good whilst it lasted...
Has Malthouse Been A Failure?
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5th place was good whilst it lasted...
I reckon so. 6th place is just around the corner for you blokes. All credit to the Magpies though. You've won a couple of games I didn't peg you for. I would have thought you'd be in 7th spot by now.
Oh. So for all your waffle, nothing separates our clubs after all
The point was a retort to the comment that Carlton may have needed a succession plan.
The reply was why would we want to drop 4 spots down the ladder ...
Judd is my suggestion.
The reply was why would we want to drop 4 spots down the ladder ...
Your reply was 6 actually. Time moves on. We've only moved up since then.
MK's latest tactic is to resort to "humour" by replying to his own posts. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now....
You responded that way to your own post so as not to sook about your partial quote of your own post?My alternative to sooking about partial quotes
You are losing it old boy.
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Agreed and probably 6th place at end of home and away. If Ess survive their points it will be a PA or Ess elimination final. Poor year overall and while we will make things tough for a semi final opponent most likely 4 wins is almost impossible to take a flag. Wasted year similar to Carltons. Bucks has a list to contend with again immediately and it's what he must do in order to be any sort of success. Micks in an even tougher postie for mine as Carlton's list looks like it will need a rebuild and there is little chance of short term success. He is not really a failure as the way it pans out will be there was probably never the cattle there to succeed with.
If Carlton don't win one of their last three games they will have done worse under Malthouse than Ratten ever did in six years if you don't count the alleged 2007 "tanking" year. This with a more experienced list and a good run with injury.
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Malthouse is succeeding in his secret mission from Nathan Buckley and Eddie McGuire to make Carlton uncompetitive while taking away carltons money.
A true Collingwood man.
A true Collingwood man.
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Disappointing to see MM using the Essendon peptide saga as a deflection for Carlton's miserable 2013 results. It's just so blatant and people are going to end up thinking less of him for it imo
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Robert Walls seems to think so:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...backwards-under-malthouse-20130815-2rywb.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...backwards-under-malthouse-20130815-2rywb.html
Reasonable assessment
although I'm hopeful of a partial rebuild rather than a complete re-do.vs blah blah blah
Vs Walls missing the point.
While it's become obvious the list is the problem Ratten has to wear responsibility for putting it together, developing it and holding onto players he shouldn't have for far too long. The knights like game plan of favouring attack over defense had it's flashy moments but wasn't sustainable in finals and that was also Ratten's responsibility.
The club and supporters mistakenly thought an experienced, defense first coach would extract the best out of the list when it turns out the list just doesn't have anything more to extract.
Ratten achieved exactly what the list was capable of.
Walls needs to ditch the 'we've been duped' cry and accept that things change and people get it wrong.
It is what it is and it isn't good enough.
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the club has failed him, Waite has failed the club with his suspensions, but I think he seriously over rated the team on arrival. Up until now they have had no major injuries, not like last year. Maybe some of those they have persisted with and tried to improve the out put of, but not reach their expectations, need to be ushered out for high picks and an extra tall forward or back
Interesting reading a negative article from Walls- no doubt we'll win this week now
. Malthouse needs a chance to imprint on this list himself, rather than manage someone else's team.
Hang on, that's not what he said in June.
Blues fans can dare to dream of a flag
I don't mind Walls, but come on.
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Walls is negative but does ask some good questions.
Chief amongst them is the coaching group. Malthouse and Wiley are elderly in coaching terms. Look at all the great modern coaches and you will see they ran out of puff and didn't finish on a successful note. Happens almost without fail. You don't buy Micks previous success by employing him and there is a question as to whether he is past it. At Collingwood he had a progressive group of coaches in waiting pushing the modern limits. Don't see the same types backing him up currently. Interesting to see how it pans out
Carlton aren't too far off being a basket case.
I don't buy into the ageism debate, I'm a Man u fan and well remember the calls for Ferguson's head in the early 0's when things weren't travelling so well. There has been a perception about the Carlton list from outside for a number of years. I'll be as interested as yourself to see if MM can turn it around.
Carlton's problem is work ethics, attitude and culture. That will take more than a season. Be a couple or even a few. Think MM worked out what he has walked into. He has decent players but he has players with a bad attitude and a poor workrate, who like to work just one way. He clear out blokes who won't work as well as blokes who aren't up to it, and get a side to play his way eventually.
He only took the Pies to 15th in his first year with a number of embarrassing losses towards the end of the season. 2 years later they were in a Grand final. Sometimes change takes time.
He only took the Pies to 15th in his first year with a number of embarrassing losses towards the end of the season. 2 years later they were in a Grand final. Sometimes change takes time.
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