Opinion Has this Carlton list already peaked?

[Fadge]

I don’t think Carlton can cover any of Cripps, Walsh or Curnow if any go down for any length of time.

Add Weitering, or as we saw in 2024, De Koning.

Brittle and shallow - Carlton's list.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Add Weitering, or as we saw in 2024, De Koning.

Brittle and shallow - Carlton's list.

How would the Pies go without Moore and N.Daicos atm?

 

[rye]

How would the Pies go without Moore and N.Daicos atm?

relevance?

this is the carlton thread

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

relevance?

this is the carlton thread

Because every team would struggle without their star players.

Brisbane winning the flag without Neale and Andrews?

 

[Fadge]

Because every team would struggle without their star players.

Brisbane winning the flag without Neale and Andrews?

But Carlton have had all their star players for the last 3 years, and have failed to even contend for a flag, let alone win one.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

But Carlton have had all their star players for the last 3 years, and have failed to even contend for a flag, let alone win one.

By ur bizarre definitions maybe

 

[Fadge]

By ur bizarre definitions maybe

Yes, it is indeed bizarre that someone would only consider a team a premiership contender if they actually genuinely contend for a premiership.

 

[adammania9]

How would the Pies go without Moore and N.Daicos atm?

Collingwood has a 75% win rate in games without these players under McRae

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Collingwood has a 75% win rate in games without these players under McRae

And whats our win rate under Voss without Cripps?

 

[jezzajay]

The current list has at least 2 more years in it…so it hasn’t peaked as it has more to give.
Mic drop.

 

[banzai]

The Richmond list had peaked and was over after 2016. I see Carlton as similar as they have the stars in every area of the ground like we had. Just takes a while for a club coming from the bottom to work out the right pieces around them. They can challenge for the next 4 or so years.

 

[Drexl 31]

I have never seen any opposition supporter as obsessed with Carlton as one Mr. Fadge. Entertaining to read when I am bored with nothing else to do. Lovin it!!

 

[Fadge]

I see Carlton as similar as they have the stars in every area of the ground like we had.

Tell us more about this statement, remembering it's AFL not NBA?

 

[Fadge]

And whats our win rate under Voss without Cripps?

Cripps has missed 3 games in 3 years under Voss (None of them finals), and Carlton have won 2 of them. One being against 2023 West Coast.

Not sure what your point is?

 

[kreuze_missile]

But Carlton have had all their star players for the last 3 years, and have failed to even contend for a flag, let alone win one.

Most reasonable and logical people would consider Carlton a premiership contender, and recent results suggest they meet the criteria for consideration.

Be the premiership favourite at some point in the home and away season? ✔✔✔
Make finals? ✔✔
Win a final? ✔✔
All Australian players on the list? ✔✔✔✔✔✔✔
Coleman medals won by current players? ✔✔✔
Brownlow Medals won by current players? ✔✔

But you are neither reasonable nor logical, so I look forward to being amused by your response that invents some other criteria to support your fantasy narrative.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cripps has missed 3 games in 3 years under Voss (None of them finals), and Carlton have won 2 of them. One being against 2023 West Coast.

Not sure what your point is?

Not surprised

 

[Dr Tigris]

On paper they are about as likely to win a premiership as Brisbane. The Lions won not through more talent, but a change in culture and subtle tactical changes. Same for the Blues. if they can get some synergy they are good enough for a few more years.

But there is little improvement on their list - unless they hit the jackpot in the draft with pick 3.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Are you suggesting Carlton have been a premiership contender in recent years (they haven't), and/or they are a premiership contender in 2025 (time will tell who contends for the premiership).

As it stands, Carlton haven't contended for the premiership for a quarter of a century.

Can I infer that your criteria for contending for a premiership is making the grand final?

Given Collingwood's history of making, and then losing, grand finals I am not surprised.

29 grand final losses. You must be proud

 

[GC2015]

The Richmond list had peaked and was over after 2016. I see Carlton as similar as they have the stars in every area of the ground like we had. Just takes a while for a club coming from the bottom to work out the right pieces around them. They can challenge for the next 4 or so years.

Interesting comparison. Dusty won Richmond's BnF in 2016 and he was 25 years old at the time. Rance finished second and was 27 years old. Cotchin finished third and was 26 years old. All three in their prime and still several years before they hit their 30s.

Cripps won Carlton's BnF this year and he's about to turn 30. Nic Newman finished second and he's turning 32 in January. Sam Walsh finished third and he's 24. With the exception of Walsh, it's pretty evident that Carlton's list is older than Richmond's was in 2016 when you compare their best players.

 

[kreuze_missile]

But there is little improvement on their list

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Interesting comparison. Dusty won Richmond's BnF in 2016 and he was 25 years old at the time. Rance finished second and was 27 years old. Cotchin finished third and was 26 years old. All three in their prime and still several years before they hit their 30s.

Cripps won Carlton's BnF this year and he's about to turn 30. Nic Newman finished second and he's turning 32 in January. Sam Walsh finished third and he's 24. With the exception of Walsh, it's pretty evident that Carlton's list is older than Richmond's was in 2016 when you compare their best players.

Cripps - 29
Curnow - 27
Weitering - 27
Mckay - 27
Walsh - 24
TDK - 25
Cerra - 25

Our core isn't that old

 

[GC2015]

Cripps - 29
Curnow - 27
Weitering - 27
Mckay - 27
Walsh - 24
TDK - 25
Cerra - 25

Our core isn't that old

I wasn't necessarily saying they were old. I was just comparing them to Richmond in 2016. What did Richmond's core look like at the end of 2016 when they were just about to open a four year premiership window?

Prestia - 24
Nankervis - 24
Dusty - 25
Cotchin - 26
Rance - 27
Riewoldt - 28
Grigg - 28

I still think Richmond were younger at the end of 2016 than Carlton are right now. Carlton seem to be right in the middle of it and maybe have another year or two before it drops away, like others have suggested in this thread.

 

[Dr Tigris]

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Is that Cripps in disguise?

All I am saying is that the Blues have a list that is as good as the premiers, on paper. The major jump in performance is likely to be in the head and tactical. It's unlikely that the quality of the list will improve in the short run. But the team can get better.

To be very clear i am saying that if the Blues can get their $h!t together they can go all the way. But in my opinion the jump is likely to be due to tactics and culture - that's all.

 

[Jeremias]

Is that Cripps in disguise?

All I am saying is that the Blues have a list that is as good as the premiers, on paper. The major jump in performance is likely to be in the head and tactical. It's unlikely that the quality of the list will improve in the short run. But the team can get better.

To be very clear i am saying that if the Blues can get their $h!t together they can go all the way. But in my opinion the jump is likely to be due to tactics and culture - that's all.

All fair points, but I think the main factor that may lead to a jump in performance is continuity.

Mentality and coaching can continue to improve, but a healthy list is hugely important.

We have cut a lot of the players who have made a home in the rehab group over the last few years, and we've made significant changes off field in this department, so here's hoping it results in a healthier list.

 

[Pistol Night]

Can I infer that your criteria for contending for a premiership is making the grand final?

Given Collingwood's history of making, and then losing, grand finals I am not surprised.

29 grand final losses. You must be proud

You would die for the chance to lose a GF you've been that shit