Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

42

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

" Rule is back

 

[JZedd]

We've lost a fair bit of experience, especially now that Gunston is going. My gut feel is keep Mitchell and offer him a 2 year extension.

Just an option. Unless we get pick 25 odd due to Grundy deal. Without Titch we lack a fair amount of experience in the middle.

 

[MrPremiership]

We've lost a fair bit of experience, especially now that Gunston is going. My gut feel is keep Mitchell and offer him a 2 year extension.

Just an option. Unless we get pick 25 odd due to Grundy deal. Without Titch we lack a fair amount of experience in the middle.

Keeping Mitchell and offering him a further 2 years would be a massive change from our previous plans and actions.

I can't see it.

 

[butlers hawks]

Keeping Mitchell and offering him a further 2 years would be a massive change from our previous plans and actions.

I can't see it.

Would Tom even extend with Hawthorn? If he doesnt like his role change I find it unlikely he would extend unless he is more focused on the security of being under contract

 

[BIGHAWK23]

We've lost a fair bit of experience, especially now that Gunston is going. My gut feel is keep Mitchell and offer him a 2 year extension.

Just an option. Unless we get pick 25 odd due to Grundy deal. Without Titch we lack a fair amount of experience in the middle.

Should probably take something for that, your gut sounds abit off

 

[burner1]

Think we would like pick 16 (even in an upgrade) but reckon we end up with 25 (hopefully not 27) as think pies would call our bluff.

Our current 3rd rounder at pick 52 isn’t worth much - if can find a way to upgrade this in Gunston deal then that’s an okay outcome.

Would prefer to draft a ruck/forward with one of our picks in 20s than spend a pick with meek. Let’s try to find a LT fix here (don’t think it’s meek). Leave some spots spare for SSP - if we have ruck injuries get a stop gap.

Unless we (or the afl) finds a way to blow up bowes deal or we do a salary dump with gws hard to see us not having 6 and 24 at draft time.

Not sure there’s other clubs with picks we’d entertain to do a pick slide (unless wrapped in a mega deal somewhere). But sliding back pick 6 a few spots, using picks in 20s or our future 2nd all available if can find a willing party (albeit unlikely.)

 

[RoughysMullet]

I know we’ve lost some experience but personally think we’re much better off finding a trade for Mitchell and clearing midfield minutes for the younger players to develop i.e Ward, Worpel, Newcombe, Finn, MacDonald, pick 7. Will still have O’Meara and Wingard floating through there to provide some experience. Surely if Collingwood have shown some interest we can get a deal done…

The midfield is such an issue for us atm think we just need to rip the band aid off at some point and try something new- if we become exposed it will just result in us getting a higher draft pick that will help fast track the rebuild…

 

[Lickmesocks]

If Amon and Meek are our only ins we must be gong to heavily front end their deals to get near the 95% min spend .

 

[KermitJagger]

If Amon and Meek are our only ins we must be gong to heavily front end their deals to get near the 95% min spend .

Contracts can be restructured. It would be an unbelievable list management failure for any club to have issues paying the cap floor.

 

[burner1]

I know we’ve lost some experience but personally think we’re much better off finding a trade for Mitchell and clearing midfield minutes for the younger players to develop i.e Ward, Worpel, Newcombe, MacDonald, pick 7. Surely if Collingwood have shown some interest we can get a deal done…

The midfield is such an issue for us atm think we just need to rip the band aid off at some point and try something new- if we become exposed it will just result in us getting a higher draft pick that will help fast track the rebuild…

Yep. Could get dire next year but that’s okay in the overall scheme of things.

And while a pick in the 20s (if we get that) is highly unlikely to get us an a-grade mid, it’s not a bad spot to find a ruck, kpd, medium forward etc - all part of putting the pieces together.

I still would not be surprised if we pick up a fringe, underperforming young mid late in the trade week after a Mitchell trade gets done as I don’t think we’ve got enough irons in fire on potential mids at present.

 

[Billyc]

If Amon and Meek are our only ins we must be gong to heavily front end their deals to get near the 95% min spend .

For the 6th year in a row.

 

[derp de derp]

Keeping Mitchell and offering him a further 2 years would be a massive change from our previous plans and actions.

I can't see it.

Is there anything within the rules stopping us from extending then trading to pay more of the salary?

If the Pies goal is to achieve net zero by off setting the salary paid to Grundy and Treloar would it be an option?


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[MrPremiership]

Is there anything within the rules stopping us from extending then trading to pay more of the salary?

If the Pies goal is to achieve net zero by off setting the salary paid to Grundy and Treloar would it be an option?


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Yes, you can't do that.

 

[Brishawk]

I know we’ve lost some experience but personally think we’re much better off finding a trade for Mitchell and clearing midfield minutes for the younger players to develop i.e Ward, Worpel, Newcombe, Finn, MacDonald, pick 7. Will still have O’Meara and Wingard floating through there to provide some experience. Surely if Collingwood have shown some interest we can get a deal done…

The midfield is such an issue for us atm think we just need to rip the band aid off at some point and try something new- if we become exposed it will just result in us getting a higher draft pick that will help fast track the rebuild…

How well will our backline and forward line develop if we have an even worse performing midfield?

 

[DannyJ]

Is there anything within the rules stopping us from extending then trading to pay more of the salary?

If the Pies goal is to achieve net zero by off setting the salary paid to Grundy and Treloar would it be an option?


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AFL wouldnt sign off

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[butlers hawks]

Cant wait for this to be the craziest trade period ever...any moment now

 

[Yardie]

How well will our backline and forward line develop if we have an even worse performing midfield?

The backline would have an accelerated development......

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Cant wait for this to be the craziest trade period ever...any moment now

To be fair, there have been quite a few trades already done. We’ve just not seen some of the bigger ones fall, which is generally the case most years.

 

[TylerDurden]

Does Meek get done after this?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[butlers hawks]

Does Meek get done after this?

If they are swapping Lobb for Jackson in effect do they even let Meek go? Or would they prefer to keep him as depth at that point? Like are they happy to lose both Lobb and Meek with Jackson coming in?

 

[CHUBBSS]

Let him walk

 

[TylerDurden]

Fair deal for mine.

 

[KermitJagger]

I must admit I have no idea why they wouldn't do that. They lose f all points, based on the picks they have they don't need the points and 21 is just going to get eaten up in matching for their two FS picks.

They'd be getting Gunston for the equivalent of Pick 65.

 

[butlers hawks]

I must admit I have no idea why they wouldn't do that. They lose f all points, based on the picks they have they don't need the points and 21 is just going to get eaten up in matching for their two FS picks.

They'd be getting Gunston for the equivalent of Pick 65.

my guess would be they see 21 in the Dunkley trade

 

[Brishawk]

Has anyone done the maths to determine the material difference this makes to the lions? Less than a 100 point slide. Seems immaterial but maybe impacts the fletcher bid.