Hawks have been the biggest winners of all at the trade ....

[Gary Shadforth]

There have been plenty of caustic comments about the Hawk's administrators' work during the trade week.

To those who have made sarcastic comments, instead of taking a Becks and a lie-down, have a read of extracts (below) from Barry Levinson's report for afl.com.au (Barry has named Hawthorn first of three club as '- - - obvious big winners of trade week - - -'

When the trade deadline fell at 2pm on Friday, there were plenty of reasons why Hawthorn, the Western Bulldogs and Carlton officials could have left AFL House feeling pleased with themselves.

These three clubs were the obvious big winners of trade week, with the league’s two bottom teams putting in amazing efforts to swoop on two of the hottest prospects in the game.

The return of Trent Croad from Fremantle and the addition of Simon Beaumont from Carlton means Hawthorn enters the 2004 season with a plethora of key defensive and attacking options.

And for those Kangas, chewing sour grapes, blaming our Hawks chiefs for Rawlings not going to North, Barry puts the reason (is blame a more appropriate word?) fair and square in the Bulldogs camp by ' - - - the biggest coup - - - ", read on.

But the Bulldogs pulled off arguably the biggest coup, by ensuring that Hawthorn would not trade Rawlings to the Kangaroos, or any other club, forcing him into the pre-season draft, where the Dogs await with the first pick.

So come on Hawkas, let's put it all to rest, I believe we can look forward to a great 2004 season.

 

[travelmate1975]

Well said Gary!!!

The boys we got will fill the gaps we had last year....

Joel Smith will run a muck in the midfield next year...

Ohhhhh I can't wait!!

 

[superstar]

A bloke who couldn't get a game for Fremantle is worth pick 10?

The guy who came third in our B&F and was our leading mark taker, plus an untried rookie, is worth Danny Jacobs alone?

Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford together are worth a 4th round pick, whereas unknowns such as Morgan and Gram are worthy of third and second round picks on their own?


Winners my arse.


The media don't know squat. They never realise the importance of draft picks.

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Originally posted by superstar
A bloke who couldn't get a game for Fremantle is worth pick 10?

The guy who came third in our B&F and was our leading mark taker, plus an untried rookie, is worth Danny Jacobs alone?

Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford together are worth a 4th round pick, whereas unknowns such as Morgan and Gram are worthy of third and second round picks on their own?


Winners my arse.


The media don't know squat. They never realise the importance of draft picks.

We are all entitled to an opinion, Superstar. Give me your scenario of Hawks turning out winners at the trade. If you do, be fair though, consider the restraints on club representatives at the table when it all takes place mostly in pressure cooker situations.

It's easy sitting at our compters.

Have you ever represented a club at a trade and have you been at one like Barry Levinson?

 

[chimps_ahoy]

yep...fairly happy with the trades...all add a bit of size which is good. No point keeping harford any longer. Glad we got Jacobs rather than Bolton too. Not sure about keeping Holland on the list..if he was a horse you would have shot him a couple of years ago.

surprised Geelong didnt make a play at Veale...afterall..he is a bloodnut (no offense to all the bloodnuts out there...you guys rock! keep entertaining all us half normals)

 

[BigCat1]

Originally posted by Gary Shadforth
Give me your scenario of Hawks turning out winners at the trade.

I'll have a crack. using the same deals offered to you be other clubs. These deals are all legit. there is no point making up deals.

*Beaumont for Loats. Fine I'd would have done that

*Rawlings for picks 7 + 20. On-trade pick 20 for Jacobs. Thats all he is worth

*Croad Pick 25 (2nd) + 41 (3rd). I thinks that's more than fair.

*Harford and Johnson for 51. That's probably about the mark.

You'd have pick 7, 10, Croad, Jacobs, Beaumont, 51
Instead its Pick 25, 41, 51, Croad, Jacobs and Bolton.

You've basically missed out on two top 10 picks?

 

[Seb]

Definitely wouldn't take the latter of the two outcomes.

Essendon picking up the draft picks in exhcange for Jacobs was an absolute steal, IMO.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by BigCat1
I'll have a crack. using the same deals offered to you be other clubs. These deals are all legit. there is no point making up deals.

*Beaumont for Loats. Fine I'd would have done that

*Rawlings for picks 7 + 20. On-trade pick 20 for Jacobs. Thats all he is worth

*Croad Pick 25 (2nd) + 41 (3rd). I thinks that's more than fair.

*Harford and Johnson for 51. That's probably about the mark.

great, now go tell sheeds and connolly to have done that on friday, we do not control what these clubs want in return!

harf, and johno are worth more then pick 51, but it was to free salary so it was done real cheap.

 

[superstar]

Originally posted by Gary Shadforth
We are all entitled to an opinion, Superstar. Give me your scenario of Hawks turning out winners at the trade. If you do, be fair though, consider the restraints on club representatives at the table when it all takes place mostly in pressure cooker situations.

It's easy sitting at our compters.

Have you ever represented a club at a trade and have you been at one like Barry Levinson?

For starters, no first round pick for Croad. In fact, no Croad full stop.

Jacobs for Rawlings? We could have had pick 5 from Melbourne or pick 7 and a player from the cats. I reckon pick 10 and Loats could have been traded for Jacobs.

That way we would still have Jacobs, but also an early first round pick, and Box Hill would be without Croad and Beaumont.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by superstar
For starters, no first round pick for Croad. In fact, no Croad full stop.

Jacobs for Rawlings? We could have had pick 5 from Melbourne or pick 7 and a player from the cats. I reckon pick 10 and Loats could have been traded for Jacobs.

That way we would still have Jacobs, but also an early first round pick, and Box Hill would be without Croad and Beaumont.

i think you will find that jade would only agree to a trade with north and that is it. Jacobs value was determined by sheeds not us, we had to try and meet it, we did it by trading veale although i do feel sorry for him.

 

[MadMaxx]

Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford together are worth a 4th round pick, whereas unknowns such as Morgan and Gram are worthy of third and second round picks on their own?
. [/QUOTE]

Remember what issues we had with Harf. The guy has been a good servant of HFC, in terms of playing and around the club, where he has been named best clubman on several occasions.. But he is SLOW by AFL standards. Both player and club would agree that is was time to move on i think.

We were paying him a reported $350, 000 this year for a couple of unproductive games in the seniors, and a full season at box hill.

The guy wasn't getting any faster, so this would only have been worse next year. What we desperately needed to do was to find a club willing to take his contract.

To do that we had to offer a sweetener to the deal, which in this case was BJ. BJ is a promising young guy, but he is a centreman only. Has not had any success in any other position to date. We have Crawf/Sammy/Vander/Ries in the square, so BJ isnt going to get much of a look in currently, as all those players exceed his ability. Hence he becomes the sweetener.

IMO, Carlton has the cap room next year to absorb Harfs hefty wages, and also sees him as a veteran midfielder who can spend his latter years possibly patrolling a forward pocket where hsi speed wouldnt be as exposed. In BJ they get a promising young midfielder who could develop into a player more than capable of holding down the centremans spot.

The Hawks in return get cap relief, and lose 2 guys who they can afford to cut without much loss. (Harf will be missed as a clubman)

IMO, a Win/Win deal

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Good reasoning, MadMaxx.

I'm sorry to see Brett Johnson traded (equal runner-up B&F Box Hill this year) and we at Hawthorn can wish him all the best and follow his progress at the Carlton.

 

[JRLHAWKS]

Originally posted by BigCat1
*Beaumont for Loats. Fine I'd would have done that

*Rawlings for picks 7 + 20. On-trade pick 20 for Jacobs. Thats all he is worth

*Croad Pick 25 (2nd) + 41 (3rd). I thinks that's more than fair.

*Harford and Johnson for 51. That's probably about the mark.

You'd have pick 7, 10, Croad, Jacobs, Beaumont, 51
Instead its Pick 25, 41, 51, Croad, Jacobs and Bolton.

You've basically missed out on two top 10 picks?

Rawlings only wanted to go to North no where else, so we had to do a deal to get some compensation at the last minute.

There is no way we would of gotten Croad for those picks you suggested, pick 10 is quite fair for a 23 yr old who loves the club and CAN play the game. So no issues there.

Harf and Johnson for pick 51 is a little strange at first thoughts, but Carlton may be paying all of Harfs wage hence the high pick!(51)

We needed instant KPP not 3 - 4 yr project kids that would of been picked up with the earlier picks, you must remember the rest of the list is getting older and i see our best oppertunity for a flag within the next 2-3 yrs max with this current list. before we have to rebuild, thats why i think we have done really well out of the Trade.

 

[Tasroo]

Yep winners in the draft, winners of the award for the "most spiteful club"!

I know what the reaction there will be to that - "Roo sour grapes", but in the end we weren't prepared to screw one of our players over, like Croad was two years ago, to secure Jade.

In the end you lost more then a very good player in your dealing.

 

[JRLHAWKS]

Originally posted by Tasroo
Yep winners in the draft, winners of the award for the "most spiteful club"!

I know what the reaction there will be to that - "Roo sour grapes", but in the end we weren't prepared to screw one of our players over, like Croad was two years ago, to secure Jade.

In the end you lost more then a very good player in your dealing.

Hardly Spiteful, if i read the papers correctly, North couldn't give us due compensation and North couldn't do a deal with other clubs to satisfy us, why would we just give him up??? Its a business now, Jades a big boy he knew the dangers of Trading.

Secondly, none of your players would of gotten us the Number one pick like Croad did 2 yrs ago, he can't be to unhappy with the club seeing he came back!

time to move on North fans... no point going on about your clubs inability to do a deal...

 

[Spook]

Originally posted by Shaitan
Definitely wouldn't take the latter of the two outcomes.

Essendon picking up the draft picks in exhcange for Jacobs was an absolute steal, IMO.

We all go on about Rawlings marking ability but forget that Jacobs took the most marks for Ess in 2003 and they finished 3 spots above us!!!!!!!

Jacobs is 23.......Rawlings is 26.....OK maybe not a even swap

BUT when a player WANTS to leave we a never going to get an even trade so Jacobs is a bloody good out come.

 

[ROCK22]

Agree with spook totally

 

[anduril]

I admire the positive spin put on possibly Hawthorn's worst trading period ever. Now Shaddy.....I'm assuming that you would like us all to take a BEX and have a good ly down......not take a "Becks" as in Dave Beckham?

 

[Grendel]

You can take David if you like, I'd be more than happy to try a Posh Becks for a day or so (or longer if needs be)!

 

[dan warna]

the only ones who'll benifit from the croad deal will be Freo who get a decent player for pick 10, instead of that lemon, and your annual fashion parade who get a decent clotheshorse.

fair dinkum you guys, on the verge of finals and long term success and you get croad back?

hope he's on minimum wage...

At the sainters we were hoping that he wouldn't end up with us!

couldn't believe our luck when Hawthorn said they were interested!

but aside from that I reckon you guys went ok in the trade.

Pick 6 for veale was a bargain, but I think you gave up a guy like tenance or chaplin for a ready made HBF/CHB 50/50 on how that turns out, esp long term.

the big winners must be carlton who went from complete ***** to mostly completely *****...

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by superstar
A bloke who couldn't get a game for Fremantle is worth pick 10?

The guy who came third in our B&F and was our leading mark taker, plus an untried rookie, is worth Danny Jacobs alone?

Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford together are worth a 4th round pick, whereas unknowns such as Morgan and Gram are worthy of third and second round picks on their own?


Winners my arse.


The media don't know squat. They never realise the importance of draft picks.

Soooooo you know more than most hey??? i think we did very well to fill the gaps that we were struggling in. I think you dont understand the value of Simon Beaumont the guy is a real gun and can play any possie on the ground well.
We did fantastic, and i believe we have a better sqaud than 2003 by a mile.

cheers

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Originally posted by anduril
I admire the positive spin put on possibly Hawthorn's worst trading period ever. Now Shaddy.....I'm assuming that you would like us all to take a BEX and have a good ly down......not take a "Becks" as in Dave Beckham?

You've won the prize, anduril. I realized my typographical error, I was p****d on XXXX at the time. BECKS should have been BEX, but I optioned to retain it rather than edit to find out if there are any observant bright spark posters around.

Well done, your prize is a bottle of champers (please don't
correct me and write 'Champagne' the word is now illegal in Australia, according to the Froggies).

Hope you pick a winner on Tuesday.

Oh, and by the way, for the pedantic, anduril, there is no such word as 'ly'.

Cheers, Shaddy.

P.S: I'm, again, p****d on XXXX and feel I am being a smart ar*se in writing this.

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Originally posted by tige19

.......and i believe we have a better sqaud than 2003 by a mile.

cheers

..... and a country one at that, tige19, well said!

Go Hawks in 04.

Cheers, Gazza.

 

[ROCK22]

Yes a better squad, however must ensure a healthy pre-season. NO INJURIES!!! or sack the fitness moron

 

[Dutchy's Gal]

Originally posted by Tasroo
...in the end we weren't prepared to screw one of our players over, like Croad was two years ago, to secure Jade.

In the end you lost more then a very good player in your dealing.

Jade has been at the club for nine years. 2003 was clearly his best, and he chose to make the most of it by putting himself on the market for more money. We may have lost a very good player, but a club doesn't revolve around one player...

I think (potentially), Jade has lost a lot more.