List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management for 2025

[Scrads]

Usually do one of these before the trade period but was caught-up with other stuff this year so here is my post-trade period update! This is what I have at the moment. As you can see, firstly the list is STACKED in terms of talent (which we already knew) but is also pretty close to being completely full as it is. If what I have is correct, then we have 36 primary list, 4 Cat A and 1 Cat B locked in for next year which leaves us with limited options in terms of drafting next month and SSP/MSD in 2025.

If I had to guess, I'd say we are likely to delist-then-rookie one or both of Gunston and/or Breust for flexibility. Regardless, we can only intake a max of 2 players to primary/Cat A list at the moment plus the option of another Cat B player if we want (which I suspect we will re-sign Bennetts with).

As usual, if you spot any mistakes then please let me know

 

[H00t]

Generally u get ure depth leaving as u say. Lewis plays when he is fit and the same can be said for CJ

CJ isn’t currently depth. But for mine he’s getting a lot closer to being depth compared to locked into the best 22 like he has been.

I know he’s had injury troubles but he hasn’t improved much (if it all) since 2021-22. He has elite speed and endurance but the other parts of his game haven’t developed.

Given the improvement from Finn, Hmo, and Ward he could find himself on the outer if he keeps stagnating and the others keep improving

 

[Simon Crawshay]

CJ isn’t currently depth. But for mine he’s getting a lot closer to being depth compared to locked into the best 22 like he has been.

I know he’s had injury troubles but he hasn’t improved much (if it all) since 2021-22. He has elite speed and endurance but the other parts of his game haven’t developed.

Given the improvement from Finn, Hmo, and Ward he could find himself on the outer if he keeps stagnating and the others keep improving

CJs big issue is that last year he regressed (I think that is fair when comparing his output to his early years) whilst other players such as Finn and Harry improved.

As you say in the AFL if you don't improve you get left behind pretty quick (look at how quickly DGB got overtaken). It's a brutal industry in that regard.

It's a massive year for CJ, he really needs to stay healthy this or season to give him the best shot at becoming best 22 again. He has the physical tools but he needs to find confidence in his body and game again.

 

[TheFourPillars]

CJ isn’t currently depth. But for mine he’s getting a lot closer to being depth compared to locked into the best 22 like he has been.

I know he’s had injury troubles but he hasn’t improved much (if it all) since 2021-22. He has elite speed and endurance but the other parts of his game haven’t developed.

Given the improvement from Finn, Hmo, and Ward he could find himself on the outer if he keeps stagnating and the others keep improving

Yeah injury interrupted pre season puts u behind the 8 ball. We as hawthorn supporters know this as we saw it before with Day. He had a substandard year when he wasn't fit and didnt do a proper pre season. I will give Cj a bit of leeway as he never had a good run at it last year and he was playing in a new position. He is flying this year in pre season. Looking fit there are no excuses for a poor year for him.

However I don't see a bad year by CJ this year. I think he is setting himself up for a big year

 

[H00t]

Yeah injury interrupted pre season puts u behind the 8 ball. We as hawthorn supporters know this as we saw it before with Day. He had a substandard year when he wasn't fit and didnt do a proper pre season. I will give Cj a bit of leeway as he never had a good run at it last year and he was playing in a new position. He is flying this year in pre season. Looking fit there are no excuses for a poor year for him.

However I don't see a bad year by CJ this year. I think he is setting himself up for a big year

He’s definitely had challenges keeping fit which has made it hard for him.

It’s definitely promising he’s been tearing up the track this pre-season.

Everyone here wants him to succeed. Now it’s up to him to show how good he can be.

 

[FB19]

He’s definitely had challenges keeping fit which has made it hard for him.

It’s definitely promising he’s been tearing up the track this pre-season.

Everyone here wants him to succeed. Now it’s up to him to show how good he can be.

That’s the point we want him to succeed but recognise it’s harder now which is great for where we are at as a list. Going to be fascinating to see who comes on this year imagine if even a few come from the clouds…

 

[HedgeFund]

I think we agree. He was fit for the semi. He was listed as an emergency, which debunks the argument that he plays whenever he’s fit.

Can you please stop not posting cr@p?

This argument is way too sensible.

Ward, Maginness and CJ were given the chance at BH to put their hand up - mind you Maginness was already in the AFL team the week beforehand.

Of the 3, CJ was the one who didn’t get picked in our AFL 23 the next week (only making the emergency list)

That’s the facts.

It’s up to CJ to keep up with the progress of his team mates or risk missing out unless there are other injuries.

 

[Dewnior]

No chance at this. I wouldn't bother wasting any time thinking about it at all. The cost both financially and trade cost would decimate our list. Think Carlton re Judd.

Please don't compare us to Carlton.

Geelol found a way to trade in Dangerfield and Cameron and it didn't decimate their list.

 

[parsons nose]

Looking at the list, we’ve got about 20 players who are locks. The criteria I’ve used is a player having lean month of footy but still being selected. For me Nash is the cut off point. On that basis Cam Mackenzie isn’t a lock, Chol probably is for now with the knowledge that Lewis and Dear won’t be available early doors.

This year shapes as being one where there will be a record number of players on the cusp. Along with Mackenzie, the likes of Ward, Morrison, CJ, Hustwaite, Maginness, Frosty, Serong, Butler, Mitchell, Reeves, Breust, Gunston and Ramsden should all be pressing their claims. Creating a real log jam for selection.

A big shout out to Frosty, Finn and Morrison who attracted interest from rival clubs but decided to remain loyal to the cause. It’s because of this type of attitude that we have the depth that most of our competitors can only dream of.

 

[Nathan Detroit]

He was definitely an injury risk

Based upon his history to date, when would he NOT be "an injury risk"?

 

[bindas12]

Yeah injury interrupted pre season puts u behind the 8 ball. We as hawthorn supporters know this as we saw it before with Day. He had a substandard year when he wasn't fit and didnt do a proper pre season. I will give Cj a bit of leeway as he never had a good run at it last year and he was playing in a new position. He is flying this year in pre season. Looking fit there are no excuses for a poor year for him.

However I don't see a bad year by CJ this year. I think he is setting himself up for a big year

I know it’s touchy subject but do you give any extra credit to players that play 100 consecutive games or get up to 300+ ? Or are just super lucky?
I feel like at some stage injuries are not just luck, those players with durability do the extra conditioning, understand their body, take care of it etc.
I do believe being able to stay on the park should be partially built into the players contract as these guys are professional athletes being paid for and expected to help their team win and they can’t do that if they’re injured.

 

[MazHawk]

I do believe being able to stay on the park should be partially built into the players contract as these guys are professional athletes being paid for and expected to help their team win and they can’t do that if they’re injured.

Injuries happen under the best of circumstances, and often the most innocuous. You can't factor that type of clause into any contract.
No player wants to miss games but injuries just happen. Can't be helped.

 

[Yardie]

I know it’s touchy subject but do you give any extra credit to players that play 100 consecutive games or get up to 300+ ? Or are just super lucky?
I feel like at some stage injuries are not just luck, those players with durability do the extra conditioning, understand their body, take care of it etc.
I do believe being able to stay on the park should be partially built into the players contract as these guys are professional athletes being paid for and expected to help their team win and they can’t do that if they’re injured.

We really should have had that clause for Will Day, he's just so unprofessional.........

 

[TheFourPillars]

I know it’s touchy subject but do you give any extra credit to players that play 100 consecutive games or get up to 300+ ? Or are just super lucky?
I feel like at some stage injuries are not just luck, those players with durability do the extra conditioning, understand their body, take care of it etc.
I do believe being able to stay on the park should be partially built into the players contract as these guys are professional athletes being paid for and expected to help their team win and they can’t do that if they’re injured.

Yeah it's amazing that explosive player like Rioli had a similar issue. It is just something they have to manage. It's not a sensitive subject but reality

 

[peetoo]

Maybe fine players when they get a concussion?

HNY all

 

[TheFourPillars]

Based upon his history to date, when would he NOT be "an injury risk"?

He was an injury risk for all the reasons mentioned. Interrupted pre season. Frequent soft tissue issue injuries including one that he was coming back from. It's not just about the injury. It's about how it effects the player. He is not confident in it. He worries about getting injured again. He doesn't physically or mentally play to his potential.

This year he is currently having a great pre season. His body should be much more durable and he should be much more confident in it. I am looking forward to what he can deliver this year

 

[cryptor]

I know it’s touchy subject but do you give any extra credit to players that play 100 consecutive games or get up to 300+ ? Or are just super lucky?
I feel like at some stage injuries are not just luck, those players with durability do the extra conditioning, understand their body, take care of it etc.
I do believe being able to stay on the park should be partially built into the players contract as these guys are professional athletes being paid for and expected to help their team win and they can’t do that if they’re injured.

The club should definitely suspend injured players from playing games. And to be fair they should make the suspension proportional to the length of time it takes them to recover from the injury. That way players will definitely think twice about tearing a hamstring or blowing their knee if they know they won't get a game.

 

[wahawk]

The club should definitely suspend injured players from playing games. And to be fair they should make the suspension proportional to the length of time it takes them to recover from the injury. That way players will definitely think twice about tearing a hamstring or blowing their knee if they know they won't get a game.

& if you get an impact injury we will delist you immediately

 

[threesixpio]

& if you get an impact injury we will delist you immediately

If you break your left arm we will break your right one to punish you

 

[moginie]

If you break your left arm we will break your right one to punish you

Ah! Old testament coaching. Could have a future in certain parts of the world.

 

[MrPremiership]

We're doing pretty bloody well if CJ is depth.

 

[Brant]

Injuries happen under the best of circumstances, and often the most innocuous. You can't factor that type of clause into any contract.
No player wants to miss games but injuries just happen. Can't be helped.

You probably could using match fees or performance triggers etc.

Not that I think it's pertinent to the players we're discussing, but maybe retaining a senior player a year longer than you'd otherwise want to: pay them a relatively low base salary with with high match fees or payments if they meet performance triggers ('x' games or 'y' goals etc.).

You'd want to be seen to reward availability/performance though - not to be penalising for injury.

 

[MazHawk]

Performance triggers are only used for older players. You could neither use triggers for younger players nor implement that injury clause mentioned as the AFLPA would go ballisitc.

 

[Brant]

Performance triggers are only used for older players. You could neither use triggers for younger players nor implement that injury clause mentioned as the AFLPA would go ballisitc.

Kinda what I said above