Hawthorn’s 2019 Trade/FA - Targets/Incoming players discussion only

[MrPremiership]

Carlton have their hands full with other trades,,,,Papley, Martin, etc

 

[Pessimistic]

Agree with both of your sentiments... with Worpel coming on way faster than expected the need for Cogs is less important than before.
On the flipside, with Smithy winding down (and/or leaving), Impey being injured and Morrison stagnating a little there is a greater need for a speedy halfback/winger. Whitfield is the best in the league (at least top 3) in this area.

For the hybrid KPP - we do need a little bit more campaigner in the team - particularly in the forward line which is relatively 'tame' from a personality perspective with Bruest, Gunston and Lewis all coming across as 'nice guys'.
Wingard notwithstanding, would love to see someone like a D.Fogarty down there crashing packs.

Not sure Lewis is in the nice guys camp yet. TOB is too nice for a redhead

 

[Bugs1977]

Not sure Lewis is in the nice guys camp yet. TOB is too nice for a redhead

Agreed. Although stupid, his hit on Robinson was not that of a nice guy IMO. Yeah it cost us a free kick and shot on goal but that wasn't the action of pussy. Robinson is by no means anyone you do that to without knowing you can handle your own. It was dumb in the circumstance but I liked the aggressiveness it showed.

 

[SuperSic]

Not sure Lewis is in the nice guys camp yet. TOB is too nice for a redhead

You mean the nice guy Mitch Lewis who completely flattened Robbo on the weekend?

 

[play2win]

GWS have already said they aren't matching

and you trust Matthews (or the afl) to make that to happen?
matching doesn't necessarily mean they will retain cogs, but it could secure them better compensation through a trade.

 

[Topiary]

The messaging this morning has been all about Cogs and us.
I’m hearing more dialogue around Coniglio. Apparently more and more journos are finding out he’s keen on Hawthorn. I think other journos must have checked in with Vlahos to see how true his source is?

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

You mean the nice guy Mitch Lewis who completely flattened Robbo on the weekend?

Mate that was as big a dive as you will see. Barely touched him
And of course, the umpire had the pee in teh whistle moving at record speed

 

[Turly]

The messaging this morning has been all about Cogs and us.
I’m hearing more dialogue around Coniglio. Apparently more and more journos are finding out he’s keen on Hawthorn. I think other journos must have checked in with Vlahos to see how true his source is?

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

The messaging this morning has been all about Cogs and us.
I’m hearing more dialogue around Coniglio. Apparently more and more journos are finding out he’s keen on Hawthorn. I think other journos must have checked in with Vlahos to see how true his source is?

 

[TylerDurden]

The messaging this morning has been all about Cogs and us.
I’m hearing more dialogue around Coniglio. Apparently more and more journos are finding out he’s keen on Hawthorn. I think other journos must have checked in with Vlahos to see how true his source is?

I may name my next kid Vlahos should this come off

 

[Flukey!]

If we land Cogs, reckon Patton's salary will be the sweetener
... they wont match the Cogs deal, but we'll be picking up the majority Patton's existing contract

That is the only way bringing Patton in makes any sense, that it is essentially a package deal.

 

[MrPremiership]

and you trust Matthews (or the afl) to make that to happen?
matching doesn't necessarily mean they will retain cogs, but it could secure them better compensation through a trade.

They won't match. They won't be in a position to.

 

[Pessimistic]

At least those whining the free agents go to the top teams will be happy, the hawks being a solid 10th-12th on the ladder

 

[Sixpence]

They won't match. They won't be in a position to.

I've always thought we'd table an offer in a way that would make it difficult for GWS to match. This talk of Whitfield makes it interesting though. If we traded for him, you'd think they'd then have the room to match any offer we could make and thus force a trade. Though, if we've given up 2 firsts for Whit already, what could we offer for Cogs? Would they bother forcing a trade knowing they already have our 2 firsts? Would they force Cogs to stay even if he has declared he wants to come to us? Do we commit to Cogs first and worry about Whit next year? Is it actually possible to get both?

Trade week can't come soon enough!

 

[SuperSic]

Mate that was as big a dive as you will see. Barely touched him
And of course, the umpire had the pee in teh whistle moving at record speed

Certainly put some mayo on it but it was still a solid hit. Anyway I was only mucking around haha

 

[SuperSic]

I've always thought we'd table an offer in a way that would make it difficult for GWS to match. This talk of Whitfield makes it interesting though. If we traded for him, you'd think they'd then have the room to match any offer we could make and thus force a trade. Though, if we've given up 2 firsts for Whit already, what could we offer for Cogs? Would they bother forcing a trade knowing they already have our 2 firsts? Would they force Cogs to stay even if he has declared he wants to come to us? Do we commit to Cogs first and worry about Whit next year? Is it actually possible to get both?

Trade week can't come soon enough!

Don't forget that the free agency period opens before the trade period, so the Cogs deal would be done before any potential trades that open up enough salary to match.

 

[Sixpence]

Don't forget that the free agency period opens before the trade period, so the Cogs deal would be done before any potential trades that open up enough salary to match.

That helps. Still makes it interesting if they can't match due to cap constraints but then have that pressure released trading out Whit a week later. Would GWS be happy to trade Whit then? Would could make out like bandits, but we need to be careful not to burn GWS as I think we have a pretty good relationship with them.

 

[MrPremiership]

I've always thought we'd table an offer in a way that would make it difficult for GWS to match. This talk of Whitfield makes it interesting though. If we traded for him, you'd think they'd then have the room to match any offer we could make and thus force a trade. Though, if we've given up 2 firsts for Whit already, what could we offer for Cogs? Would they bother forcing a trade knowing they already have our 2 firsts? Would they force Cogs to stay even if he has declared he wants to come to us? Do we commit to Cogs first and worry about Whit next year? Is it actually possible to get both?

Trade week can't come soon enough!

The Cogs FA deal would be done BEFORE trade period opens and the Whitfield trade gets worked on

FA opens Wednesday after the GF, trade starts the Monday after. Only have 3 days to match

But I don't think the two are connected

 

[MrPremiership]

That helps. Still makes it interesting if they can't match due to cap constraints but then have that pressure released trading out Whit a week later. Would GWS be happy to trade Whit then? Would could make out like bandits, but we need to be careful not to burn GWS as I think we have a pretty good relationship with them.

IF they release Whitfield, it won't be for salary cap reasons. It will more be about getting his full value back rather than losing him for under value in 12 months time

 

[Big Hotdog]

We will have to let go any higher price vets etc plus plus if we chase Whitfield
Not sure I dare think who those players might be.

 

[Nastyfish]

I wonder whether they may prefer to have a year of Whitfield while they are contending, rather than the extra pick they would likely secure trough a trade. I suppose they could in theory convert the two first round picks immediately into a ready made replacement player, assuming there is someone talented who wants to go there (most of the talent is heading in the other direction).

IF they release Whitfield, it won't be for salary cap reasons. It will more be about getting his full value back rather than losing him for under value in 12 months time

 

[Steven Tyler]

Carlton have their hands full with other trades,,,,Papley, Martin, etc

More than Hawthorn?

Patton
Hill
Whitfield etc?

 

[TylerDurden]

If Wright pulls all of these deals...bronze statue at Dingley.

 

[Buzz Hawk]

So just to clarify, if GWS match the terms of any offer Coniglio receives, Nigs options are a: accept the GWS offer or b: if he declines he goes into the draft yeah? He can't vary the GWS offer to 1 year for example and then piss off as a FA in 12 months?

 

[TylerDurden]

So just to clarify, if GWS match the terms of any offer Coniglio receives, Nigs options are a: accept the GWS offer or b: if he declines he goes into the draft yeah? He can't vary the GWS offer to 1 year for example and then p**s off as a FA in 12 months?

They have to match exact terms.