Hawthorn fans and their enormous whole of insecurity

[aneale]

How will those Box Hill kids go in Round 1 against Geelong? sounds like some still might be playing.

 

[haywood jablome]

Geelong kicked themselves out of that Grand Final. It's sad when it is so clear who has the better team, only failing when it comes to slotting goals from 10m out with no pressure. Geelong were clearly dominating that game, it all came down to OUR inability to kick straight, not Hawthorns ability to outplay us. The majority of teams would have beaten us that day, we simply could not kick straight. We had no problem getting the ball (inside 50's will clearly show that).

 

[Off The Couch]

Can you feel all the love.......

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

Geelong kicked themselves out of that Grand Final. It's sad when it is so clear who has the better team, only failing when it comes to slotting goals from 10m out with no pressure. Geelong were clearly dominating that game, it all came down to OUR inability to kick straight, not Hawthorns ability to outplay us. The majority of teams would have beaten us that day, we simply could not kick straight. We had no problem getting the ball (inside 50's will clearly show that).

Welcome back shitstick - your Geelong supporting mates have been wondering were you've been.

Pleased to see your logic is as flawed as ever, perhaps you should have watched a game of football or two in your hiatus.

Or are we taking the Bomber Thompson approach and preferring 2008 never happened and REFUSING to learn from your mistakes.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

So let me get this straight - you think a team that had won all but one game all year and had won their previous Grand Final by 119 points was under more situation pressure than your mob? Or that you were immune to it somehow but we weren't? Or are you trying to prove the point that Hawthorn had nothing to do with the pressure put on our boys?

Oh, FFS. I'm hoping you're just taking the piss now, you don't across as the brightest spark, but it seems so far-fetched that you could genuinely miss the point so badly.

No, we weren't "immune to it somehow", we just handled it better on the day. Things like Ottens' miss, Mooney's misses, Harry Taylor's fumble, 99.99 times out of 100 these events wouldn't have happened, but it was a Grand Final, that's what makes this particular game so different from the 25 other rounds throughout the year.

At any rate, we're going around in circles. To keep my faith in humanity, I'm going to tell myself that you actually do understand this, and are just being argumentative for the f of it.

 

[fishbowl]

After looking at today's paper and noticing Geelong are geelongcats.com.au and not the gfc.com.au anymore, who is insecure?

GFC is Global Financial Collapse. GFC is also Geelong Failures Collapsed. It can stand for Geelong F***ing Choked.

 

[STC]

Oh, FFS. I'm hoping you're just taking the piss now, you don't across as the brightest spark, but it seems so far-fetched that you could genuinely miss the point so badly.

No, we weren't "immune to it somehow", we just handled it better on the day. Things like Ottens' miss, Mooney's misses, Harry Taylor's fumble, 99.99 times out of 100 these events wouldn't have happened, but it was a Grand Final, that's what makes this particular game so different from the 25 other rounds throughout the year.

At any rate, we're going around in circles. To keep my faith in humanity, I'm going to tell myself that you actually do understand this, and are just being argumentative for the f of it.

How do you not understand that you are proving my point? Exactly, 99 out of 100 times we'd have played better, even 99 out of 100 Grand Finals with that specific team, but we didn't, we had an off day. Sure the pressure of the day played a factor (I said that before but it was countered by another Hawthorn fan who felt all the pressure was from Hawthorn and the 'situation pressure' means nothing).

The fact is, handling the pressure better doesn't make you a better team - if we played that Grand Final again I have no doubt we'd absolutely thrash you guys. I hope we are given the chance again on the last saturday of September this year - bring it on!

 

[STC]

After looking at today's paper and noticing Geelong are geelongcats.com.au and not the gfc.com.au anymore, who is insecure?

GFC is Global Financial Collapse. GFC is also Geelong Failures Collapsed. It can stand for Geelong F***ing Choked.

The last time you made a decent troll was during the last global financial crisis. Time to retire buddy.

 

[mess]

"the pressure of the day played a factor (I said that before but it was countered by another Hawthorn fan who felt all the pressure was from Hawthorn and the 'situation pressure' means nothing)."

How could you argue against that idea, and maintain that "99 out of 100 times we'd have played better, even 99 out of 100 Grand Finals with that specific team"?

The "situation pressure" is not a variable, and if you sight that as a mitigating circumstance you are admitting your team significally weaker than Hawthorn, mentally (and yes, that does go a long way towards suggesting Hawthorn are a better team).
Hawthorn, after all, were subject to at least as much, if not more "situational pressure".

 

[STC]

"the pressure of the day played a factor (I said that before but it was countered by another Hawthorn fan who felt all the pressure was from Hawthorn and the 'situation pressure' means nothing)."

How could you argue against that idea, and maintain that "99 out of 100 times we'd have played better, even 99 out of 100 Grand Finals with that specific team"?

The "situation pressure" is not a variable, and if you sight that as a mitigating circumstance you are admitting your team significally weaker than Hawthorn, mentally (and yes, that does go a long way towards suggesting Hawthorn are a better team).
Hawthorn, after all, were subject to at least as much, if not more "situational pressure".

We had an off day with our kicking, our coach threw as many changes as a potato would've and you guys pounced on our dissatisfaction with our first half and thrived off it, lifting. We had no answer unfortunately, but that doesn't mean we are not a better team - we most certainly were a better team in 2008, although we lost the premiership, but that's life, and that's football - the best team doesn't always win. You guys outplayed us over the 4 quarters, full credit to you, but we had the opportunity to take the game and win it in that first half and nothing you say can change that.

If we had switched on in that 2nd quarter like we know we can and converted those goals we missed under no pressure, we would have rolled on and won ourselves a flag. We shot ourselves in the foot, simple as that.

 

[andrew coombs]

We had an off day with our kicking, our coach threw as many changes as a potato would've and you guys pounced on our dissatisfaction with our first half and thrived off it, lifting. We had no answer unfortunately, but that doesn't mean we are not a better team - we most certainly were a better team in 2008, although we lost the premiership, but that's life, and that's football - the best team doesn't always win. You guys outplayed us over the 4 quarters, full credit to you, but we had the opportunity to take the game and win it in that first half and nothing you say can change that.

If we had switched on in that 2nd quarter like we know we can and converted those goals we missed under no pressure, we would have rolled on and won ourselves a flag. We shot ourselves in the foot, simple as that.

As painful as it would be ( and christ knows I couldnt do it ) Geelong supporters would be well served to take another in depth look at the GF. 99.9% of Cat fans have no more memory of the game than the emotional shock of the loss, and as often happens when there is a refusal to believe you have lost, the easiest and most basic reasoning emerges. Geelong did not lose the GF because they missed some goals in the second quarter and early in the third. The reality is Hawthorn broke even in the first, lost possesion in the second, smashed Geelong in the third and completely dominated the last. They were two key players down for the majority of the match and yet had more run, poise and composure when the game was there to be won. Grand Finals are won the by team with a greater spread of contributers throughout the game, the team with the higher level of desperation. The team that is disciplined enough to stick to their plan and structures when the white hot heat that only a GF will provide, is on. By any reasoning that team was Hawthorn, clearly. Geelong fans (and apparently their coach ) who want to put down the comfortable defeat to some poor kicking are deluding themselves and being highly disrespectful to an opponent that won the game fair and square.

 

[fishbowl]

The last time you made a decent troll was during the last global financial crisis. Time to retire buddy.

You didn't answer my question. Why is Geelong so insecure that they had to change their domain name and what they are called?

Before the come back of 'Tassie Hawks', we made money out of that.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Geelong did not lose the GF because they missed some goals in the second quarter and early in the third. The reality is Hawthorn broke even in the first, lost possesion in the second, smashed Geelong in the third and completely dominated the last.

Hawthorn broke even in the first and lost posession in the second. For sure, I agree. But had we nailed those goals, our confidence would have been sky-high. We would have rolled you blokes.

All that effort being pissed away with a couple of measley points to show for it is psychologically sapping. Yes Hawthorn played well. Yes, they deserve some credit.

But I, knowing the way my team plays, can say with the utmost certainty that had we kicked straight when the game was in the balance, we would have taken Hawthorn apart.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You didn't answer my question. Why is Geelong so insecure that they had to change their domain name and what they are called?

Before the come back of 'Tassie Hawks', we made money out of that.

What a ****ing embarassing area of inquiry.I have dignified your question more than it deserves by typing out this post.

 

[NotDave]

We had an off day with our kicking, our coach threw as many changes as a potato would've and you guys pounced on our dissatisfaction with our first half and thrived off it, lifting. We had no answer unfortunately, but that doesn't mean we are not a better team - we most certainly were a better team in 2008, although we lost the premiership, but that's life, and that's football - the best team doesn't always win. You guys outplayed us over the 4 quarters, full credit to you, but we had the opportunity to take the game and win it in that first half and nothing you say can change that.

If we had switched on in that 2nd quarter like we know we can and converted those goals we missed under no pressure, we would have rolled on and won ourselves a flag. We shot ourselves in the foot, simple as that.

Don't want to tell you or Bomber or the boys how to suck eggs but it would probably be a good idea to switch on for the whole game next time you play in a Grand Final.

 

[mess]

You guys outplayed us over the 4 quarters, full credit to you, but we had the opportunity to take the game and win it in that first half and nothing you say can change that.

Why try to change it?
It's one of the most perfect self-contradictions I've ever seen.

 

[STC]

You didn't answer my question. Why is Geelong so insecure that they had to change their domain name and what they are called?

Before the come back of 'Tassie Hawks', we made money out of that.

It's a marketing ploy, our CEO thinks it will make us money. How is that insecure?

 

[Hawkk]

It's a marketing ploy, our CEO thinks it will make us money. How is that insecure?

People aren't attracted to the city of Geelong and rightfully so

 

[STC]

As painful as it would be ( and christ knows I couldnt do it ) Geelong supporters would be well served to take another in depth look at the GF. 99.9% of Cat fans have no more memory of the game than the emotional shock of the loss, and as often happens when there is a refusal to believe you have lost, the easiest and most basic reasoning emerges. Geelong did not lose the GF because they missed some goals in the second quarter and early in the third. The reality is Hawthorn broke even in the first, lost possesion in the second, smashed Geelong in the third and completely dominated the last. They were two key players down for the majority of the match and yet had more run, poise and composure when the game was there to be won. Grand Finals are won the by team with a greater spread of contributers throughout the game, the team with the higher level of desperation. The team that is disciplined enough to stick to their plan and structures when the white hot heat that only a GF will provide, is on. By any reasoning that team was Hawthorn, clearly. Geelong fans (and apparently their coach ) who want to put down the comfortable defeat to some poor kicking are deluding themselves and being highly disrespectful to an opponent that won the game fair and square.

Where does fair and square come from? I never said you weren't the better team on the day, on the contrary I've admitted it several times. What I do know is that your burst in the second half came at a time where our confidence was down. We absolutely smashed you in the second quarter out of the centre, our midfield was dominating but we couldn't put it on the scoreboard.

We had 10 scoring shots in the 2nd quarter - we converted one. Had we kicked all 10 goals, the match would have been over; we would have been on 93 at half time. Had we kicked just half, we would have had a comfortable 3 goal buffer, knowing our midfield was dominating and certainly would have had a lot more confidence and resolve to keep going in the second half. We started the third quarter in similar fashion but were still missing shots. Our heads clearly dropped and you guys took control. Our midfield were giving it to the forwards and they were missing, and their dominance began to subside. Everyone in the side was frustrated, and Hawthorn took control.

Anyone who doesn't think that we shot ourselves in the foot by missing 9 shots in that quarter is being ridiculously stupid or ignorant. You can't spin 1.9 as not being our own fault.

Even in the third quarter, it was 9-8. In the last it was 8-7. In no quarter of the Grand Final did Hawthorn register more scores than Geelong. Hawthorn played superbly on the rebound from our mistakes, and that's what won you the game. If we hadn't missed all of those shots, a lot of Hawthorn goals would have never eventuated because many were on the rebound from Geelong behinds.

So tell me, did I watch the game closely enough?

 

[STC]

People aren't attracted to the city of Geelong and rightfully so

Geelong Football Club to Geelong Cats. Show me where we removed the Geelong part?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Don't want to tell you or Bomber or the boys how to suck eggs but it would probably be a good idea to switch on for the whole game next time you play in a Grand Final.

100% in agreeance with that.

 

[somocca]

As a supporter base they've pretty much disgraced themselves and their club on this site. Winners are grinners but they've hit new lows I don't think Bigfooty will rise from.

Coming from you..Pot, kettle black. You're a joke!

 

[Mr Lizard]

...Anyone who doesn't think that we shot ourselves in the foot by missing 9 shots in that quarter is being ridiculously stupid or ignorant. You can't spin 1.9 as not being our own fault...

I don't know whether deliberate or not, but it seems you credit us zero for these missed shots, that it's all down to Geelong's inaccuracy, and nothing to do with the pressure you were put under.

I'm not spinning your 1.9 as all of our doing, but we did help.

 

[Chewy]

How do you not understand that you are proving my point? Exactly, 99 out of 100 times we'd have played better, even 99 out of 100 Grand Finals with that specific team, but we didn't, we had an off day. Sure the pressure of the day played a factor (I said that before but it was countered by another Hawthorn fan who felt all the pressure was from Hawthorn and the 'situation pressure' means nothing).

The fact is, handling the pressure better doesn't make you a better team - if we played that Grand Final again I have no doubt we'd absolutely thrash you guys. I hope we are given the chance again on the last saturday of September this year - bring it on!

Blah, blah, blah...

"...handling the pressure doesn't make you a better team..."

Hahahaha, what a crock!

Which parallel universe are you from, dreamer?


Here's what I reckon, shavetharse:

May the bitter memories of 2008 Grand Final day fester and burn a hole in your guts!
May you replay the game in your mind 99 times and see Gary Ablett on the podium shedding tears of joy!

It's in the books, buddy. No one cares about your excuses and allibis.


3 of our best players had "off" days (Mitchell, Roughead and Franklin) and we still kicked your arses.

They don't play Grand Finals 100 times. Just the once. And you guys were not up to it.

In the last quarter, your boys chucked in the towel like a bunch of nancy boys.

 

[Chewy]

We had an off day with our kicking, our coach threw as many changes as a potato would've and you guys pounced on our dissatisfaction with our first half and thrived off it, lifting. We had no answer unfortunately, but that doesn't mean we are not a better team - we most certainly were a better team in 2008, although we lost the premiership, but that's life, and that's football - the best team doesn't always win. You guys outplayed us over the 4 quarters, full credit to you, but we had the opportunity to take the game and win it in that first half and nothing you say can change that.

If we had switched on in that 2nd quarter like we know we can and converted those goals we missed under no pressure, we would have rolled on and won ourselves a flag. We shot ourselves in the foot, simple as that.

The irony of this post is that this thread is supposed to be about "the insecurity of Hawthorn fans"

Ever since Geelong were spanked in the Grand Final, I've heard bleating Cats fans trying to claim some bizarre form of supremacy, over and over like a broken record...

"We're still the best team"
"Hawthorn got lucky"
"Geelong lost it. Hawthorn didn't win it"

Who gives a f**k?

What is this "best team" crap anyway?

What does the trophy look like?

If this isn't insecurity, then what is? Sooking Geelong fans trying console themselves over spilt milk, by claiming they are still number one. What a bunch of malakas!

No one cares whether you think you were the best team, mate.
I suppose it helps salve your insecurities and sleep at night, then keep telling yourself.
Just as long as you're aware that it is a totally irrelevant opinion.