News Hawthorn player questioned over sexual assault allegation - No Names, etc; UPDATED: cleared (9/5/16)

[bigbuddyboy]

So what do you make of the innocent men who have been cleared of this crime but have had their worlds torn apart? That have lost their families, their professional life and in a lot of cases been on the brink on no return because a women has blatantly lied about about this very serious crime. Is it still poor her in your books?

Any man who touches a women forcefully or pushes themselves on a women forcefully is a scum bag, however those that falsely accuse and put another human through that trauma is equally as evil.

I can count up to 5 people who are very close to me who have been through this, all 5 where either acquitted before going to court or there wasn't sufficient evidence to even proceed with charges. The torment and hell each one went through was heart breaking, I know 1 which in particular 2 years later and 70k down is a shadow of his former self, struggles not to shake when in his presence and couldn't hold down his professional job as a result.

It makes me upset to know that this type of thing isn't a coincidence, more that it's a common theme that so many lies can warrant torment of innocent individuals.

So as I said previously, lets not jump to conclusions, let's let these boys go through the process and in turn hopefully ( for everyone's sake ) they are proven innocent.

I am aware there are cases like your mates but when it comes to sexual assault they are very much the exception to the rule. There is no question that women lose in all matters in sexual assault. They are most often the victim and they are most often the people let down by the process justice.

I am aware this statement is a bit sensationalist, but it can be paralleled with what you have said. Do you feel sorry for OJ Simpson because he was accused (and later found innocent of) killing his wife and her lover? I mean, by your reasoning he's innocent yet had his name tarnished etc etc?

I also know a person. She was on the receiving end of a nasty sexual assault. She was embarrassed and scared. A few months later (after the initial shock) she mentioned it to the police but they could do nothing because the hard evidence was no longer present. This fella is walking around without consequence and this girl has to live knowing he's still around. That guy falls into your '85%' statistic.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don't think we need to argue about the merits of the allegation at this point. We don't know anything more than it's being investigated.

I would ask that all posters refrain from getting into heated arguments about who is guilty and who is innocent in their life experiences.

If you continue, you'll be thread-banned.

 

[bigbuddyboy]

Whilst this is true, it doesn't mean they aren't lies.
I'm sure it will be a traumatic experience for all involved regardless of guilt.

Not to be unsensensitive mate, but why feel awful about 'what has happened' when you don't know what has happened?.
Our player/players MIGHT be completely innocent.
I just can't understand anyone taking either the girls side or the players side without the facts?
Let the boys in blue do their stuff before judging the situation.

You're not being insensitive and it's a valid question.

Yeah. They might be. But what i can't stand is people quoting statistics and then saying stuff like "if these guys are found innocent then this girl should be punished". Because truth is, they might be found innocent yet still have done something awful. There is a tremendous gender imbalance and assault (guys hitting/assaulting women) problem is Australia, the last thing we want is for women to not come forward and say what's happened to them for fear that people will say shit like "they better get found guilty or else you've lied". It's not that black and white.

This is not good for anyone. There are no winners here.

 

[Gralin]

I'm sure that I speak for all here when I say that if this despicable act has in fact occurred then these individuals need to be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law, however it findings do in fact prove it to never have happened then who are you to sit here and persecute people for voicing an honest, yet sympathetic opinion???

I have had someone close to me have a childhood occused of and actually convicted/incarcerated for sexual assault and despite pleding his innocence ended up being handed a hefty sentence...

The poor bloke was one of the nicest people I've ever met (probably to a fault) and wasn't cut out to be housed will criminals... Lasted little over 2 months before ending his life only to have his accuser later confess to her sister that it was all BULLSHIT!!!

What about his rights, his life, his family???

Sorry to say that sometimes people do wake up regretting their actions of the night beforehand... I'm not saying this is the case here either but we unfortunately can't rule anything out and until findings rule either way people need to tread very, very carefully!!!

So you just joined bigfooty today and started posting in this thread?

 

[bigbuddyboy]

I don't think we need to argue about the merits of the allegation at this point. We don't know anything more than it's being investigated.

I would ask that all posters refrain from getting into heated arguments about who is guilty and who is innocent in their life experiences.

If you continue, you'll be thread-banned.

So you'll ban people for that but not for victim blaming? Nice one!

I'm out.

 

[tige19]

You're not being insensitive and it's a valid question.

Yeah. They might be. But what i can't stand is people quoting statistics and then saying stuff like "if these guys are found innocent then this girl should be punished". Because truth is, they might be found innocent yet still have done something awful. There is a tremendous gender imbalance and assault (guys hitting/assaulting women) problem is Australia, the last thing we want is for women to not come forward and say what's happened to them for fear that people will say shit like "they better get found guilty or else you've lied". It's not that black and white.

This is not good for anyone. There are no winners here.

I don't think quoting statistics has any relation to what transpires in the actual crime, more so providing a bit of perspective on the situation as a collective.

Fingers crossed nothing sinister has happened.

 

[PLAYOUROLE]

So you just joined bigfooty today and started posting in this thread?

You're a smart little cookie aren't you boy???!!!

 

[tige19]

Mate, you must have some 'interesting' friends. I'm a good deal older than you and NONE of my friends, nor anyone I know, have been falsely accused of sexual assault of any type. There will be many more guilty blokes who get off than innocent blokes accused due to the high burden of proof. There will also be situations where a person thinks consent has been given but it hasn't. If there is the least amount of doubt don't go there.

And just because a person has been found not guilty doesn't mean it didn't happen. Sad day for the club and ALL the parties involved.

You go through life and you tend know all types of interesting people..

 

[PLAYOUROLE]

Mate, you must have some 'interesting' friends. I'm a good deal older than you and NONE of my friends, nor anyone I know, have been falsely accused of sexual assault of any type. There will be many more guilty blokes who get off than innocent blokes accused due to the high burden of proof. There will also be situations where a person thinks consent has been given but it hasn't. If there is the least amount of doubt don't go there.

And just because a person has been found not guilty doesn't mean it didn't happen. Sad day for the club and ALL the parties involved.

You're probably correct here however it is not always the case... Let's just hope that he right outcome presents itself whichever way that may be...

Regardless the outcome, it's a f@#ked up situation!!!

 

[Flukey!]

Give that scandals and rumours thread a very wide birth. A bigger bunch of dumb battlers you will never come across.

Yep.
Its a good reminder why I hardly ever post on the main board.

 

[Messenger]

So you'll ban people for that but not for victim blaming? Nice one!

I'm out.

Probably for the best.

 

[Fulgent]

You're probably correct here however it is not always the case... Let's just hope that he right outcome presents itself whichever way that may be...

Regardless the outcome, it's a f@#ked up situation!!!

Nothing is always the case. False allegations of all sorts of stuff are less common than genuine allegations. There are also plenty of stats out there that indicate sexual assault is massively under-reported.

 

[Rockford]

Sad if true. I back your club to deal with the player appropriately and move on whatever happens from here.

Always seems to be a few who ruin Premiership celebrations for the rest these days, not the first time these sorts of allegations have happened in the weeks after the GF.

 

[Hoogmeister]

There isn't really much to say about this. We know next to nothing about what happened. In regards to those who have had personal experiences with slightly related situations, I give you my apologies and condolences but your anecdotes are not helpful, as the similarities between the issues are completely unknown. We should keep this thread to facts until we have something to base conversation on.

 

[RelaxMax]

Yep.
Its a good reminder why I hardly ever post on the main board.

The photo and confessions thread are pretty good

 

[grizzlym]

Probably for the best.

Evening, Messy. Shabbat Shalom.

 

[Messenger]

Evening, Messy. Shabbat Shalom.

Evening, grizz.

 

[LunchboxLegend]

I am going to have to watch the GF AT LEAST 3 times this evening to get over this feeling.
Or maybe one each of 2013/2014/2015.

 

[grizzlym]

Evening, grizz.

I'm very happy it's Friday, not so happy about this whole affair though.

 

[bigton08]

I am going to have to watch the GF AT LEAST 3 times this evening to get over this feeling.
Or maybe one each of 2013/2014/2015.

This has come from left field its been a funny old month some strange things going on.... I hope to god this isn't true but its not sounding good...geezus way to go to tarnish the premiership...October PLEASE end!

 

[Smooth Banana]

Last time I checked this was a footy forum, not a place to discuss rape. Let the police deal with it.

If he did it, he has to live with that- not the club or it's supporters.

 

[Der Drop Kick]

My dad is a police officer. He says it is two players. A very reliable source

Regardless of the anonymity this site provides, I doubt very much your dad would appreciate you sprouting anything in relation to this matter, or his occupation for that matter on a public forum.

Anyways, 3 sides every story.

 

[Hawk1978]

What an awful turn of events, nothing proven yet but doesnt look good. What is wrong with men and in particular sportsmen these days?
If proven, delist and jail, doesnt matter who it is.

 

[CrystalFissure]

Hope it isn't true or there was a mix up. Because as we all know, sexual assault isn't okay.

Sucks that some have to ruin grand final celebrations or extensions of that.

Hoping Hawthorn deal with them if they're proven guilty.

 

[Messenger]

I'm very happy it's Friday, not so happy about this whole affair though.

Very sad turn of events. Hopefully the young lady involved is ok.