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You Richmond supporters sit on such high horses for having one of the least impressive flag runs ever
Jog on back to your board and let the grown ups actually discuss things properly
Analysis Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?
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You Richmond supporters sit on such high horses for having one of the least impressive flag runs ever
Jog on back to your board and let the grown ups actually discuss things properly
If you wait until the 2026 season concludes you can return after Hawthorns mammoth 4peat!!
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Just add them to your ignore list. You won’t miss anything worth reading, believe me.
Your number 1 and 2 midfielders are 19 and 22 years old. It shouldn't be that controversial to say the team won't be competitive. You will probably still win a few games but the next few years will be more about getting games into the young players than winning. That is obviously the approach you have taken by letting your senior mids go.
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I assume you mean, Newcombe and Ward as they’re starting mids in the side I posted, but that’s such a simplistic view.
There’s also Worpel who had a down year and played too heavy last year by his own admission and had shoulder surgery who will come back in, Nash who played as a ruck for half his games in 2022 due to not having any fit rucks, Meek who plays like another mid when the ball hits the deck, Stephens who is a big body inside type and finally Amon as more seasoned bodies who will all rotate though the middle.
Considering we were the worst performed midfield in 2022 and still knocked off the Cats and Lions, lost by a kick to the Pies and Blues and had both Swans and Dockers on the ropes until the last quarter the whole “you obviously won’t be competitive” has a real Kane Cornes level of hyperbolic bullshit to it.
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It wouldn't be controversial to say 'I'm doubtful they can be competitive with such a young midfield'.
It IS controversial to be pass off opinion as fact, especially considering I don't remember anybody being so blatantly adament about North Melbourne this time last year and yet they ultimately DID become uncompetitive.
Sam Mitchell and the playing group see it differently. That doesn't mean we guaranteed to win any amount of games. It just means they'll head into every game next season confident of winning. I'm doubtful the concept of tanking has entered Mitchell's mind.
Pretty uninspiring 22. Hard to see them being very competitive.
The biggest thing that screams out at me is the lack of potential star talent. Hawks need to stop going so safe at the pointy end of the draft IMO.
Because you have developed this sense of superiority that isn't warranted
Because you talk like your opinion is fact, which it isn't
It's an internet forum, everyone is just posting their opinions. You don't need to preface every comment with 'in my opinion' or similar.
As I've said before, I don't think you are tanking either. But you have adopted an aggressive list management strategy that means you will really struggle on field for a few years. North took a similar approach a few years earlier and hopefully will start to come out the other side next season. Hawthorn have yet to bottom out.
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I think we saw over the past 12 months that 'potential star talent' can get you about as far as Tarryn Thomas in the VFL.
Mitchell Lewis, Jai Newcombe and Dylan Moore became star players, unexpectedly to all outside Hawthorn, in the space of one season.
The 'potential star talent' argument doesn't hold enough water for mine.
People use the same argument with St.Kilda, but put your hand up it you saw Jack Sinclair's rise coming. Nobody can.
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Your opinion carry’s no weight after all your chest-beating last summer and subsequent silence when the season started.
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Maybe the appropriate question is 'WHY would you want to pass off opinion as fact and risk looking ridiculous?'
The easiest way to lose credibility on a forum like this is to make comments that appear absolute without room for being wrong.
It's why, despite being featured heavily in the media, people are generally turned off by Kane Cornes and the methods he uses to convey his opinion.
My opinions & the poll still stand. A dismally coached side in 2022 doesn't change that. I know it's easier for you to deflect to North, but back onto the theme of this thread. Whilst it may be a long tough road ahead for the Hawks, at least now they will get access to the real top end of the draft.
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Think we will surprise a few teams (again) in 2023.
We will knock off a few top teams on an off day, struggle against the middle of the pack and should be able to snag some wins off North/Eagles. I see us finishing around 12th again.
We will knock off a few top teams on an off day, struggle against the middle of the pack and should be able to snag some wins off North/Eagles. I see us finishing around 12th again.
I think most people understand that Kane is just saying outrageous things because he is paid to. He constantly rubbishes my team but I find him amusing more than anything else.
I'm not saying things like that about Hawthorn, I think the club has adopted a considered but aggressive approach. They have a clear list management strategy built around the draft and getting in young players before Tassie joins the league. It will come with short term pain. Over the next few years you will find yourself posting in threads about which club has the best youth and playing fantasy football.
I know its an big if, but if Wingard can stay fit, he was averging 1.7 goals a game last year, should add some scoring power hopefully
And some growth and continuity from Kosi/Serong/Butler should hopefully help
Noone is going to directly replace him, but there are potential players to help
Not to mention the ripple effect it will have on Lewis, not having Gunston there.
It'll be an enormous effort if Hawthorn are able to get 8 or there abouts wins in 2023 without JG. I'm skeptical.
Thats fair enough, but Lewis got the main defender majority of the time last year, but a fair point to raise
This isn't a shot against the team we beat, but if we cant find 13 goals against North x 2 and GC, id be shocked
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We went 3-3 in games Gunston didn’t play
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If our young defense can shut down an 2 extra goals and our forwards pick up a couple amongst them that is 19 goals covered.
Gunston was probably the difference in maybe 2 of those games.
There are no messiahs at Hawthorn. We have a young hungry group that will grow and improve together. Will be some ups and downs but I'm bullish we will surprise people as I was bullish last season.
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Many of these things are at odds with the rebuild structure outlined by Sam Mitchell and Mark Mackenzie themselves.
It's okay to disagree with their vision, strategy and timeline, however passing off that opinion as a fact just makes you seen purposely ignorant or a bit arrogant.
I don't mind at all if opposition supporters (or Hawks supporters for that matter) believe we'll struggle to win 4 games in 2023.
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