Hawthorn Reserves/Box Hill historical stats thread

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Stemline, just joined BF today to find out what you can tell me about Noel Browne, Mort's brother. Am seeking number of games in Unders & Reserves. What chance? He moved onto Sorrento FC, missing the 1964 premiership from injury 6 weeks out from finals, then made it into the 1966 grand final team, only for them to lose. Now retired he's a regular shopper at Stringers in Sorrento.

I'm sorry mate I'm not going to be much help to you.

I don't have any records of how many games players played in Reserves & U19s.

I can only tell you that he kicked 6 goals in the U19s in 1960 and was named in the best players 7 times.

In 1961 he kicked 2 goals in the U19s and was named in the best players once.

In 1962 per the posts you quoted, he played in the Reserves, being named one time in the best players.

If you are keen enough, look up the online editions of The Age through 1962 and see if you can find the Reserves teams. Here's the Rnd1 1962 side, but Noel is not named there.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fcVVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yMUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1525,2934645

 

[Procrastinator35]

Box Hill Hawks vs. Frankston
Saturday, Jul 04
Box Hill City Oval at 2pm

Box Hill Hawks

B O'Brien Heatherley Willsmore
HB Miles Litherland Howe
C Hartung Hardisty Webster
HF Sicily Woodward Sheridan-Ferrie*
F Tatupu Grimley Pittonet
R B. McEvoy O'Rourke Simpkin

Int From:
Crocker Lock Collins
Tobin O'Donnell Iles
Gordon S. Gibson Lawlor

Shem gets his first taste of Senior footy.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Box Hill Hawks vs. Frankston
Saturday, Jul 04
Box Hill City Oval at 11am

Box Hill Hawks

B Crocker Collins Evans
HB S. Gibson Gordon Exon
C M-Lewis Iles Lock
HF Tobin L. Langford Lawlor
F Jones P. McEvoy Switkowski
R R. Monkhorst Williams O'Donnell

Int From
Sullivan Kidd Franetic
Bond Murphy Summers
Fitzpatrick Codd-Miller Fisher
Harvey Dimasi Walker
Graham

 

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Well that didn't finish up the way we'd hoped.

Box Hill's first minor premiership (Hawks Reserve's 4th after 1958, 1959 & 1972) culminated in a poor showing in the Grand Final.

Box Hill Hawks v 		For		Ag		W / L	By	
1 v Footscray (WB)		11.4	70	7.15	57	Won	13	
2 v Coburg			14.7	91	10.11	71	Won	20
4 v Werribee (Nth)		6.15	51	8.8	56	Lost	-5	
5 v Essendon (Ess)		18.10	118	14.11	95	Won	23	
6 v Sandringham (StK)		14.17	101	11.12	78	Won	23	
7 v Nthn Blues (Carl)		15.6	96	10.8	68	Won	28	
8 v Port Melbourne		17.13	115	8.12	60	Won	55	
10 v Williamstown		19.8	122	8.12	60	Won	62	
11 v Collingwood (Coll)		9.6	60	9.8	62	Lost	-2	
12 v Frankston			15.12	102	57	37	Won	65
13 v Nth Ballarat (Nth)		12.11	83	11.12	78	Won	5	
14 v Coburg			26.5	161	8.13	61	Won	100
15 v Werribee (Nth)		7.11	53	9.12	66	Lost	-13	
16 v Richmond (Rich)		15.7	97	8.10	58	Won	39	
17 v Casey (Melb)		18.15	123	7.7	49	Won	74	
18 v Geelong (Geel)		19.7	121	10.11	71	Won	50	
19 v Nthn Blues (Carl)		26.9	165	11.9	75	Won	90	
20 v Williamstown		10.8	68	11.16	82	Lost	-14	
QF v Footscray			18.12	120	12.8	80	Won	40
PF v Sandringham (StK)		12.17	89	12.10	82	Won	7	
GF v Williamstown		8.18	66	18.12	120	Lost	-54

Goalkickers
* Not HFC listed

Grimley, Sam		46
Sicily, James		30
Anderson, Jed		25
O'Brien, Tim		25
Tatupu, Shem		17
Willsmore, Dallas	16	
Simpkin, Jonathan	15	
Lawlor, Patrick*	13	
Lock, Marc*		13
Howe, Daniel		9
Miles, Teia		8
Pittonet, Marc		8
Woodward, Alex		8
Jones, Chris*		7
McEvoy, Peter*		7
Whitecross, Brendan	6	
Williams, Cadeyn*	6	
Ceglar, Jonathon	5	
Gordon, Thomas*		5
O'Rourke, Jonathan	5	
Schoenmakers, Ryan	5	
McEvoy, Ben		4
O'Donnell, Mitch*	4	
Evans, Nick*		2
Exon, Ryan*		2
Iles, Sam*		2
Langford, Will		2
Webster, Zac		2
Collins, Sam*		1
Crocker, Sam*		1
Fisher, Joseph*		1
Gibson, Sam*		1
Hale, David		1
Hardisty, Jared		1
Heatherley, Kurt	1	
Litherland, Angus	1	
Mirra, David*		1
Spangher, Matthew	1	
Switkowski, Sam*	1	
Tobin, Liam*		1

Named in bests:

Player		In bests	BH BOG
Simpkin, Jonathan	13	3	
Collins, Sam		8	
Iles, Sam		7	
O'Donnell, Mitch	7	2	
Whitecross, Brendan	7		
Anderson, Jed		6	2
O'Brien, Tim		6	
O'Rourke, Jonathan	6	2	
Heatherley, Kurt	5		
Howe, Daniel		5	
Litherland, Angus	5		
Sicily, James		5	2
Willsmore, Dallas	5	1	
Gordon, Thomas		4	
McEvoy, Ben		4	2
Mirra, David		4	2
Miles, Teia		3	
Woodward, Alex		3	2
Ceglar, Jonathon	2		
Evans, Nick		2	
Grimley, Sam		2	
Langford, Will		2	1
Lock, Marc		2	
Pittonet, Marc		2	
Spangher, Matthew	2	1	
Fisher, Joseph		1	
Gibson, Sam		1	
Hartung, Billy		1	
Jones, Chris		1	
Lawlor, Patrick		1	1
Schoenmakers, Ryan	1		
Switkowski, Sam		1	
Tatupu, Shem		1

 

[Ram-Man]

Stemline, just joined BF today to find out what you can tell me about Noel Browne, Mort's brother. Am seeking number of games in Unders & Reserves. What chance? He moved onto Sorrento FC, missing the 1964 premiership from injury 6 weeks out from finals, then made it into the 1966 grand final team, only for them to lose. Now retired he's a regular shopper at Stringers in Sorrento.

Found this from May 9 1962.

 

[Thaihawk]

Found this from May 9 1962.

View attachment 221399

Thanks Ram-Man, the names that article sure brings back some menories.

 

[Roger Dunkley]

Hi Ram-Man, it's been ages since my previous visit to this site when I first signed on as a member. Thank you for article. Will show it to Noel BROWNE tomorrow. Can you help me with all player's reserves games played? Stalwart, Stem line, seems to have retired from posting to this site. Peter HABY, Hawks full time historian, put notice in last Sunday's Herald Sun, Desperately Seeking, seeking ex-Hawk Harold Turner, so I rang him with news I've been chasing him myself as Sorrento FC's 1935 & 1937 captain-coach (1935 premiership) but trail ends circa 1938-39 when cleared to play with Queenscliff's Garrison team. Have some data, after discovering he played at Maffra, Somerville, then Langwarrin's 1930 or 1931 premiership as c-c, from photo at LFC to prove it.

 

[Roger Dunkley]

Hi Ram-Man, it's been ages since my previous visit to this site when I first signed on as a member. Thank you for article. Will show it to Noel BROWNE tomorrow. Can you help me with all player's reserves games played? Stalwart, Stem line, seems to have retired from posting to this site. Peter HABY, Hawks full time historian, put notice in last Sunday's Herald Sun, Desperately Seeking, seeking ex-Hawk Harold Turner, so I rang him with news I've been chasing him myself as Sorrento FC's 1935 & 1937 captain-coach (1935 premiership) but trail ends circa 1938-39 when cleared to play with Queenscliff's Garrison team. Have some data, after discovering he played at Maffra, Somerville, then Langwarrin's 1930 or 1931 premiership as c-c, from photo at LFC to prove it.

Hi again Ram-Man, sorry my previous post was before reading your comments on HFC reserves. Will take your advice to look up teams published in newspaper. Cheers

 

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2016:

BH Hawks v			For			Ag		W / L	By
1 v Sandringham (StK)		18.10	118		12.9	81	Won	37	
2 v Williamstown		17.10	112		14.13	97	Won	15	
3 v Coburg			13.8	86		11.12	78	Won	8
4 v Frankston			14.14	98		5.9	39	Won	59
6 v Werribee (Nth)		9.14	68		10.10	70	Lost	-2	
7 v Casey (Melb)		11.10	76		12.11	83	Lost	-7	
9 v Nth Ballarat		12.18	90		9.9	63	Won	27	
10 v Nthn Blues (Carl)		10.7	67		15.13	103	Lost	-36	
11 v Geelong (Geel)		10.9	69		18.10	118	Lost	-49	
12 v Port Melbourne		7.13	55		1011	71	Lost	-16	
14 v Williamstown		12.8	80		13.12	90	Lost	-10	
15 v Essendon (Ess)		13.14	92		15.5	95	Lost	-3	
16 v Richmond (Rich)		10.9	69		13.7	85	Lost	-16	
17 v Footscray (WB)		10.8	68		10.13	73	Lost	-5	
18 v Werribee (Nth)		13.20	98		9.7	61	Won	37	
19 v Sandringham (StK)		13.13	91		9.15	69	Won	22	
20 v Collingwood (Coll)		7.15	57		12.6	78	Lost	-21	
21 v Casey (Melb)		8.8	56		11.20	86	Lost	-30

Out of the finals for the first time since 2008, Box Hill finished 10th of 15 clubs. A strong start to the season counted for little as the side lost 11 of its last 14 games to finish with 7 wins, 11 losses. A percentage of just over 100 spoke to the string of close losses that derailed the season.

Goalkickers
*Non HFC Listed

Hardwick, Blake		16
Miles, Teia		16
Stewart, Kade		16
Lawlor, Patrick*	13	
Willsmore, Dallas	13	
O'Brien, Tim		12
Jones, Chris*		11
Fitzpatrick, Jack	10	
Summers, Jake*		10
Langford, Will		7
Switkowski, Sam*	7	
Webster, Zac		7
Iles, Sam*		6
Lovell, Kieran		6
Lock, Mark*		5
Burton, Ryan		4
O'Rourke, Jonathan	4	
Woodward, Alex		4
Brolic, Anthony*	3	
Howe, Daniel		3
Kidd, Liam*		3
Mirra, David*		3
Schoenmakers, Ryan	3	
Walker, Jordan*		3
Whitecross, Brendan	3	
Evans, Nick*		2
Fisher, Joseph*		2
Gordon, Tom*		2
Litherland, Angus	2	
Soccio, Julian*		2
Spangher, Matthew	2	
Brand, Kaiden		1
Heatherley, Kurt	1	
Langford, Lachlan	1	
O'Sullivan, Connor*	1	
Surman, Luke		1
Traynor, Matthew*	1	
Warren, Max*		1

Times in Best Players
*Non HFC Listed

Player			In Best		BH BOG
Mirra, David*		12		1	
Iles, Sam*		7		3	
Willsmore, Dallas	7		2		
Heatherley, Kurt	6				
Litherland, Angus	6		2		
Lovell, Kieran		6		1	
Switkowski, Sam*	6		2		
Miles, Teia		5		1	
Warren, Max*		5		1	
Whitecross, Brendan	5		1		
O'Rourke, Jonathan	4				
Hardwick, Blake		3		1	
Howe, Daniel		3		2	
Langford, Will		3		1	
Lawlor, Patrick*	3				
O'Brien, Tim		3			
Spangher, Matthew	3				
Woodward, Alex		3			
Jones, Chris*		2			
Kennedy, Ayden*		2			
Lock, Marc*		2			
Webster, Zac		2			
Brand, Kaiden		1			
Burton, Ryan		1			
Fitzpatrick, Jack	1				
Hartung, Billy		1			
Kidd, Liam*		1			
Miller-Lewis, Jermaine	1				
O'Donnell, Mitchell*	1				
Pittonet, Marc		1			
Stewart, Kade		1			
Walker, Jordan*		1

 

[Todman]

1937:

Goalkickers (complete):
Elliott, Russ 50

Russ Elliot was a 185cm forward who enjoyed a prolific season in front of the sticks for the Ressies in 1937. He booted 8 goals in round 11 against Collingwood and repeated the dose in round 13 versus St Kilda. It would take him until the final rounds of 1939 to earn a senior debut however, after which he played just 9 games over 3 seasons.

Elliott was recruited after an outstanding season at South Hawthorn United, he had kicked 169 goals in the 1936 season. His large haul included 25 kicked against Box Hill Methodists. He holds the record for the most goals in an Eastern Suburban Protestant Churches Association season.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

I am enjoying all this information immensely but I have to point out that Gary Buckenara did not win Mark of the Year in 1986 - Tony Morwood of the Sydney ney Swans did for his mark in the 1st Semi-Final against Fitzroy. I still have the footage of Morwood accepting the prize on World of Sport and he made a comment that he wouldn't be accepting the award if Bucky had held onto that almost speccy in the Grand Final.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

Andy Collins' career ended in the most disgraceful decision by a VFL Tribunal ever. Collins played 189 consecutive games, as fair a player as there ever was and in the Round 22 'merger' match against Melbourne retaliates to that vermin Jeff Farmer punching him with an instinctive retaliatory punch into Farmer's guts. Back in 1996 it was the times of first offence, reprimand - Collins' record impeccable - he'll be right.

GETS A 1-WEEK SUSPENSION - WTF ?!? It was just out of this world and I remember Dunstall - not one to ever be critical of anything after the event - he went troppo on The Footy Show calling it the most disgraceful ad inconsistent ruling etc, etc - just went off and at the end of it he turned to Eddie or Sam and said "Do you think I might be fined for those comments'.

So Collins gets a week, we go up to Sydney for the first final, lose by 1 bloody goal - who kicks 5 goals for the Swans in a matchwinning effort - their bloody forward pocket Craig O'Brien. Who should have been playing on him - Collins. With the suspension of Andy, the job was given to Pritchard who last lined up in the back pocket wearing No. 41 in the 87 Grand Final. I went up for the game and while O'Brien's 5 were crucial, Pritchard would have beaten him but there was just 2 or 3 moments where O'Brien had him 1-on-1 close to goal and beat him, resulting in a goal but in passages of play that would not have been anywhere near as important had they been on a wing. Conspiracy theorists were heard to be claiming that it was just another example of the AFL doing what it could to thwart the brown and gold machine. A shame for Collo though - but wipe away any tears with your 3 Premiership medallions. Collins, Langford, Ayers - hang on, is this Hawthorn or Victoria ?

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

I could be mistaken but I have a feeling that Shane McGrath did his knee playing against the Swans reserves by running/sliding into the fence at the SCG back in the days when the boundary line and the iron fence were perilously close.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

I had this match on video but taped over it as it was only the 'reserves' - if only I'd know the gold that it would be now. It was a BASF tape too - always remember that.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

Cheers mate! I certainly won't get around to mentioning every player who played some senior footy. Please add any memories you have!

I didn't realise, or had forgotten, that Tony Wilson was Ray's son. Good stuff.

An interesting quirky little tat about Michael Johnston from Leongatha (whom my Dad and Uncles all played for) - Johnston's career was 5 games - 3 of which were against Footscray.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

1992:

Res Hawks v        For        Ag    W / L    By   
1 v Geel    16.7    103    17.22    124    Lost    -21   
2 v Carl    16.16    112    15.15    105    Won    7   
3 v Nth        13.14    92    15.14    104    Lost    -12
4 v StK        13.15    93    18.12    120    Lost    -27
5 v Ess        11.13    79    18.12    120    Lost    -41
6 v Coll    20.14    134    10.10    70    Won    64   
7 v Rich    16.18    114    11.12    78    Won    36   
8 v BYE                           
9 v Melb    8.12    60    16.12    108    Lost    -48   
10 v Syd    25.15    165    16.20    116    Won    49   
11 v Foot    13.13    91    12.12    84    Won    7   
12 v Nth    7.8    50    20.16    136    Lost    -86   
13 v Fitz    17.21    123    15.8    98    Won    25   
14 v Ess    8.6    54    24.14    158    Lost    -104   
15 v Bris    9.15    69    24.14    158    Lost    -89   
16 v Geel    16.12    108    24.9    153    Lost    -45   
17 v Carl    12.8    80    11.14    80    Drawn    0   
18 v Nth    14.13    97    11.10    76    Won    21   
19 v StK    22.10    142    16.12    108    Won    34   
20 v Ess    11.8    74    23.21    159    Lost    -85   
21 v Coll    20.21    141    12.8    80    Won    61   
22 v Rich    9.13    67    18.17    125    Lost    -58   
23 v BYE                           
24 v Melb    17.12    114    30.12    192    Lost    -78

With 9 wins, 12 losses and a draw, the Hawks Reserves of 1992 finished 8th of 13.

Goalkickers:

Berry, Domenic        58
O'Dwyer, Kieran        36
Wynd, Stuart        31
Barnett, John        18
Nixon, Ricky        17
Nugent, Glenn        16
Johnston, Michael    14   
Lochhead, Greg        12
Crawford, Shane        10
McDonald, Alex        9
Taylor, Richard        8
Murton, Phillip        7
Wilson, Tony        7
Crawshay, Simon        6
Hug, Ernie        6
Hart, Ross        5
Kitchen, Josh        5
Blood, Michael        4
Dear, Greg        4
Steele, Stuart        4
Wittman, Chris        4
Burke, Alistair        3
Crow, Scott        3
St Clair, Travis    3   
Young, Matthew        3
Hudson, Paul        2
O'Donnell, K        2
Peter-Budge, John    2   
Whittlesea, Greg    2   
Abbott, Steven        1
Anderson, Dean        1
Ayres, Gary        1
Crough, Justin        1
Graham, Mark        1
Heaney, Troy        1
Madigan, Greg        1
McCrabb, Austin        1
Morrissey, James    1   
Phillips, Rohan        1
Sruk, Peter        1
Taylor, Jason        1

Best Players:

Player            In best    Our BOG
Murton, Phillip        14    4   
Nixon, Ricky        10    2   
Barnett, John        7    1   
Berry, Domenic        6       
McCrabb, Austin        6    2   
McDonald, Alex        6    2   
Dear, Greg        5    2   
Graham, Mark        5       
Madigan, Greg        5       
O'Dwyer, Kieran        5       
Wynd, Stuart        5       
Young, Matthew        5    3   
Crow, Scott        4       
Johnston, Michael    4    1       
Taylor, Richard        4    1   
Whittlesea, Greg    4           
Crawford, Shane        3       
Nugent, Glenn        3       
Steele, Stuart        3       
Hudson, Paul        2       
Hug, Ernie        2    1   
Jencke, Ray        2    1   
McDonald, Anthony    2           
Wittman, Chris        2       
Ayres, Gary        1       
Blood, Michael        1       
Burke, Alistair        1       
Cooper, Paul        1       
Crough, Justin        1    1   
Maginness, Scott    1           
Peter-Budge, John    1           
Taylor, Jason        1    1

Phillip Murton was a slightly built running type who had played for the Hawks' U19s in 1991. In 1992 he stepped it up to Reserves level and was quite at home, being named in the best players 14 times, including 10 times in the first 12 games, to earn a senior debut in round 14. He played 4 senior games that season, but missed the entire 1993 season with a broken leg. He started 1994 in the seniors, playing the first 3 games, but spent the rest of the year in the Ressies and left the club at the end of the season.

At the end of 1991 the Hawks traded pick 64 to Fitzroy in return for Tasmanian tall Jason Taylor. Taylor had been picked at number 11 by the Roys in the 1989 draft but only played 7 games there. He slotted straight into the Hawthorn senior side and played some good footy, playing 20 senior games and winning the Best First Year Player Award. He fell away in 1993, but returned to top form in 1994, becoming an important player in the Hawks' forward structure and winning the Most Serviceable Player Award. He was a senior player through to 1996, but when the side finally found some mid-season form, his went backwards and he found himself out of the side in the second half of that year, and then delisted and picked up by Collingwood at season's end.

Another Taylor, Richard, also started at Hawthorn in 1992. He was selected with pick 39 in the 1991 draft. A small rover, his BOG for the Ressies in round 19 saw him elevated to the senior side for his debut in the utopian 160-point demolition of Essendon in round 20, in which he contributed 3 goals. He won the 1992 Encouragement Award, which was perhaps a clue as to what was to come as he did his knee (for the second time of his career) late in 1993 and was delisted after having only added 2 more senior games that year. Come the 1995 pre-season draft, Hawthorn were pipped for Dermott Brereton by Collingwood, so re-drafted Taylor. He settled into the side, to play 108 games over 6 further seasons, picking up the Most improved Player Award in 1996, the Most Determined Player Award in 1997, the Most Courageous Player Award in 1998, and playing in the 1999 Night Premiership side.

Tall defender Mark Graham first played for the Hawks Reserves in 1992, and would be the last player to debut for Hawthorn without being drafted or traded for. Early in 1993, a decent game in round 5 for the Reserves was followed by his senior debut in round 6 against Adelaide at Football Park. He sat the entire game on the bench, and didn't get another look-in that year. When he didn't get a go in any of the pre-season matches in 1994, things weren't looking great for him, but come the season proper he was named in the the Reserve's best players in 2 of the first 3 games, including being named the Hawks' best in round 3. Coupled with the fact the senior side had been slaughtered the last two weeks, it was enough to be given a senior berth in round 4, especially in the absence of the injured Chris Langford. Graham matched up on Steve Kernahan all day and wasn't completely disgraced, considering the hiding Hawthorn received that day. Heebie didn't look back and became a hugely important member of the side, winning the Most Improved Award in 1994, the Best Clubman and Most Serviceable Award in 1996, the Most Consistent Player Award in 1997, the Most Determined Award in 1998, the Best Clubman again in 1999, and the Most Serviceable Player Award again in 2002. He was a member of the 1999 Night Premiership side, and played a total of 223 games for the Hawks - unfortunately the most Hawthorn games without a Premiership - and is a Life Member of the Hawthorn Football Club.

Shane Crawford was taken with pick 13 in the 1991 draft. He kicked 10 goals and got in the Reserves best players 3 times in 1992, but would never play 2nds footy again. Making his senior debut in round 1 of 1993, Crawf would become a Hawthorn champion, playing 305 games and slotting 224 goals. His accomplishments:
Hawthorn's first ever Rising Star Nomination in round 2, 1993
Won the Best First Year Player Award in 1993
Won the Most Consistent Player Award in 1994 and 1995
Won the Best Team Player Award in 1996
4 times All Australian selection - 1996, 1998, 1999 and 2002
4 times Hawthorn Best and Fairest Winner - 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003
Jesaulenko Medalist 1998
Brownlow Medal winner 1999
159 Brownlow Votes - 2nd at Hawthorn to Leigh Matthews
Hawthorn Captain 6 years - 1999 to 2004
Captain of 1999 Night Premiership side
AFLPA and AFMA MVP 1999
Member HFC Ultimate Premiership Team (wing)
Hawthorn Football Club Life Member
AFL Hall of Fame Member
Member of the 2008 Hawthorn Premiership side
Champion Hawthorn Footballer - That's what I'm talking about!!

I hate pointing out little errors but if I know a fact, I have to share it. Crawford - my favourite-ever Hawthorn player did actually play one more reserves game. He was dropped after a loss to the Eagles in Perth in '93 (about Round 20) which was the 3rd loss in a row for the first time since 1982 - that famous run of never losing 3 in a row for so long. The Eagles were reigning premiers and we were with them well into the last quarter when Crawford gave away a very dubious 50m-penalty - well it was one that technically was correct but not consistent with the flow of the game. West Coast goaled and that was it. I have a vivid memory of Crawf giving the ump a look of - come on, that is so harsh - and he was dropped for the next game, came straight back in the following week and never again played magoos. I haven't looked this up to double-check but I remember it well and it was like he was dropped for the 50m penalty.

I reckon the 91 draft was the worst player pool ever. Look it up on Wikipedia - it's abysmal. There's Crawford, Dunkley, Metropolis, Matthew Hogg, Darren Kowal & Ryan O'Connor and that's it.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

Shannon Gibson was a short full-forward. He kicked a couple of goals in one of the famous narrow wins down at Geelong. Gibson managed 25 senior games over 1995-1997, before being traded to Collingwood for Paul Sharkey.

I was there that day. With a couple of Geelong supporter mates - great times.

Other random thoughts/facts about some lesser names mentioned.

From other clubs - but didn't do much with us.
McCrabb (Geelong), Bunn (Fitzroy), Stevenson (Fitzroy) - has something to do with our club still down in Tassie, Allen (St.Kilda) and Baxter (Footscray) - he probably had a good year or two though.

To other clubs after not doing much with us.
Rigoni (Melbourne), Barnard (Essendon) - part of the deal that got us Salmon, Hargreaves (Geelong) - a small forward who I thought was ok, Young (St.Kilda), Crow (Collingwood) and Anthony McDonald (Carlton) - the middle and least of the three McDonalds.

Kieron O'Dwyer should be mentioned as a first round pick that never played senior footy.

And surely Simon Crawshay, a tall ruckman with a mop of blonde hair should be mentioned even though he was largely ineffective when playing seniors. A bit of a cult figure (or maybe it was just me).

Crawshay was part of a little era of didn't-quite-make-it ruckman that included David Loats, Laurence Bingham, Steven Rode (1 game), Brett O'Farrell, Randal Bone.

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

1996:

Res Hawks v        For        Ag    W / L    By   
1 v Fitz    9.13    67    9.7    61    Won    6   
2 v Rich    17.16    118    4.7    31    Won    87   
3 v Nth        10.9    69    11.9    75    Lost    -6
4 v Foot    11.11    77    4.12    36    Won    41   
5 v Syd        18.7    115    17.7    109    Won    6
6 v StK        11.11    77    7.13    55    Won    22
7 v Nth        8.8    56    13.14    92    Lost    -36
8 v Melb    16.7    103    7.10    52    Won    51   
9 v Rich    11.13    79    8.9    57    Won    22   
10 v Geel    9.6    60    23.21    159    Lost    -99   
11 v Carl    13.11    89    12.16    88    Won    1   
12 v Fitz    12.11    83    21.8    134    Lost    -51   
13 v Ess    3.7    25    16.12    108    Lost    -83   
14 v Coll    8.11    59    19.9    123    Lost    -64   
15 v Geel    9.7    61    6.13    49    Won    12   
16 v Carl    18.11    119    9.9    63    Won    56   
17 v Rich    14.12    96    8.8    56    Won    40   
18 v Nth    10.10    70    17.21    123    Lost    -53   
19 v Foot    9.7    61    24.11    155    Lost    -94   
20 v Syd    8.11    59    22.14    146    Lost    -87   
21 v StK    15.7    97    12.17    89    Won    8   
22 v Melb    10.8    68    18.11    119    Lost    -51   
EF v Carl    12.5    77    20.15    135    Lost    -58

The Hawks Reserves of 1996 won 12 matches and lost 10 on their way to a 5th place finish at the end of the H/A season, making the top 6 but losing an Elimination Final to finish the season 5th of 12.

Goalkickers:

Minton-Connell, Simon    60   
Rawlings, Jade        20
Fode, gordon        18
Flynn, Shane        15
Hargreaves, Tim        14
Scott, Brad        10
Dixon, Ben        10
Higgins, Leon        9
Fraser, Kane        8
Grainger, Scott        8
Dear, Paul        7
Hudson, Paul        7
Maginness, Scott    7   
Robran, Jonathon    7   
Stevenson, Shayne    7   
Lawrence, Stephen    6   
Bone, Randall        5
Gibson, Shannon        5
Lekkas, Angelo        5
Tallis, Rayden        5
Haynes, Mark        4
Krummel, Brendan    4   
McCabe, Luke        4
Taylor, Jason        4
Ansell, Adam        3
Harford, Daniel        2
McEwan, David        2
Bayre, Chris        1
Cooper, Paul        1
Crawshay, Simon        1
Taylor, Richard        1
Woods, Tony        1

Best Players:

Players            In best    Our BOG
Scott, Brad        10    1   
Tallis, Rayden        10    2   
Minton-Connell, Simon    9    1       
Lawrence, Stephen    8    1       
Lekkas, Angelo        8    1   
Flynn, Shane        7    1   
Taylor, Jason        7    1   
Bone, Randall        6    4   
Dear, Paul        6       
McCabe, Luke        6    2   
Robran, Jonathon    6    2       
Crawshay, Simon        5    3   
Dixon, Ben        5    1   
Hargreaves, Tim        5    1   
Krummel, Brendan    4    1       
Maginness, Scott    4           
McEwan, David        4       
Cooper, Paul        3       
Fraser, Kane        3       
Grainger, Scott        3    1   
Higgins, Leon        3       
Rawlings, Jade        3       
Fode, Gordon        2       
Gibson, Shannon        2       
Harford, Daniel        2       
Stevenson, Shayne    2           
Ansell, Adam        1       
Bayre, Chris        1       
Haynes, Mark        1       
Hudson, Paul        1       
Taylor, Richard        1       
Woods, Tony        1

Simon Minton-Connell won the Hawks Reserves goalkicking, kicking his 60 goals in 15 matches. His total included 4 bags of six goals and 3 bags of five. He averaged well over 4 goals a game in his last 6 Reserves matches, earning a recall to the senior Hawks side for the final in Sydney.

Brendan Krummel had played at both West Coast and Fremantle prior to Hawthorn drafting him at the end of 1995 with an eyebrow-raising pick 5. He struggled for impact in 1996, managing just 11 senior games. In 1997 he earned himself the Most Serviceable Player Award, playing 21 games and missing just one after nearly having his eye gouged out by Sydney's Jason Mooney, who was cleared of that charge but suspended for 4 matches for headbutting Krummel. Krummel made a habit of being a high profile victim, getting himself completely poleaxed by Byron Pickett a year or so later. All up, Krummel played 64 games for the Hawks. Serviceable, but not really justifying his top-5 draft selection.

Scott Grainger was a rangy tall forward, who never amounted to anything much at all at AFL level. He didn't play senior footy and was gone from the scene by the end of 1997. But geez he was a great player when you stuck him at CHF in the AFL 96 Finals Fever PC game.

Other players from other clubs to have a few games with us - Jon Hassall, Gordon Fode, Krummell, Leon Higgins, Paul Sharkey & Bo Nixon.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Crawshay was part of a little era of didn't-quite-make-it ruckman that included David Loats, Laurence Bingham, Steven Rode (1 game), Brett O'Farrell, Randal Bone.

Mate u r on fire

 

[stemline]

I hate pointing out little errors but if I know a fact, I have to share it. Crawford - my favourite-ever Hawthorn player did actually play one more reserves game. He was dropped after a loss to the Eagles in Perth in '93 (about Round 20) which was the 3rd loss in a row for the first time since 1982 - that famous run of never losing 3 in a row for so long. The Eagles were reigning premiers and we were with them well into the last quarter when Crawford gave away a very dubious 50m-penalty - well it was one that technically was correct but not consistent with the flow of the game. West Coast goaled and that was it. I have a vivid memory of Crawf giving the ump a look of - come on, that is so harsh - and he was dropped for the next game, came straight back in the following week and never again played magoos. I haven't looked this up to double-check but I remember it well and it was like he was dropped for the 50m penalty.

I reckon the 91 draft was the worst player pool ever. Look it up on Wikipedia - it's abysmal. There's Crawford, Dunkley, Metropolis, Matthew Hogg, Darren Kowal & Ryan O'Connor and that's it.

You know what - I also have a memory of him being dropped from the senior side for that game, but my recollection is that he didn't actually play in the reserves game against Fitzroy which was played at Glenferrie Oval, clashing with the senior game. Crawf instead came to Waverley and watched on as an emergency as Hawthorn beat Adelaide. So while he was dropped, technically he didn't play magoos after 92!

I have no way of proving this of course, I'm just going off a hazy memory. But I can also recall having a conversation with a mate when Crawf won the Brownlow and discussing whether he played reserves after 1992, and we concluded that he didn't, despite getting dropped in 93. Checking now I can show you he didn't feature in the reserves results:
Goalkickers: Brereton 5, J.Barnett 2, Bunn 2, J.Kitchen 2, Crow, P.Dear, Hargreaves, Holland, A.Kemp, A.McDonald, R.Walker.
Best: Maginness, Lawrence, Brereton, Crow, Holland, Bunn, R.Walker.

Can't be 100% sure but i'm going to stick with the no magoos after 1992!

 

[Dixie Flatline]

We can always tweet a question to Crawf. I'm sure he'll remember!

 

[stemline]

I am enjoying all this information immensely but I have to point out that Gary Buckenara did not win Mark of the Year in 1986 - Tony Morwood of the Sydney ney Swans did for his mark in the 1st Semi-Final against Fitzroy. I still have the footage of Morwood accepting the prize on World of Sport and he made a comment that he wouldn't be accepting the award if Bucky had held onto that almost speccy in the Grand Final.

You are probably correct on that call. I read it somewhere relatively recently (about the time of this thread) and was surprised myself. In fact wikipedia here says it was Alan Ezard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_of_the_Year

Funnily enough this site says Buckenara won it
http://www.aussiedigest.com/sports/afl-mark-of-the-year.php

So who knows. Maybe World Of Sport had their own award.

 

[stemline]

An interesting quirky little tat about Michael Johnston from Leongatha (whom my Dad and Uncles all played for) - Johnston's career was 5 games - 3 of which were against Footscray.

Hmm you might be thinking of someone else - whilst he ended up playing FOR them, he never played against Footscray.
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/M/Michael_Johnston.html

 

[Hawk Caemhan]

You know what - I also have a memory of him being dropped from the senior side for that game, but my recollection is that he didn't actually play in the reserves game against Fitzroy which was played at Glenferrie Oval, clashing with the senior game. Crawf instead came to Waverley and watched on as an emergency as Hawthorn beat Adelaide. So while he was dropped, technically he didn't play magoos after 92!

I have no way of proving this of course, I'm just going off a hazy memory. But I can also recall having a conversation with a mate when Crawf won the Brownlow and discussing whether he played reserves after 1992, and we concluded that he didn't, despite getting dropped in 93. Checking now I can show you he didn't feature in the reserves results:
Goalkickers: Brereton 5, J.Barnett 2, Bunn 2, J.Kitchen 2, Crow, P.Dear, Hargreaves, Holland, A.Kemp, A.McDonald, R.Walker.
Best: Maginness, Lawrence, Brereton, Crow, Holland, Bunn, R.Walker.

Can't be 100% sure but i'm going to stick with the no magoos after 1992!

I bet you're right. I didn't even think of the fact that you can be dropped from the 1's but not actually play 2's and my statement was entirely based on the memory of him being omitted from the seniors and not actually a memory of him kicking off any midday dew. There's 12 players listed which leaves 8 players who aren't listed and really, what are the chances that Crawford, having been dropped, turns out and plays in the 2's, but does not figure in the best or kick a goal yet is back in the seniors the next week. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that you were indeed absolutely correct with your statement that he did not play magoos after 1992. Hence I was wrong. It was a tricky one though and if I lost a trivia quiz by 1 point due to that question, I would be fuming but begrudgingly respectful of its level of cunning and deceit.

On another note, just over a half a reserve team at the end of the great 80's era and we have 4 premiership players, a Norm Smith Medallist, a Norwich Rising Star Winner, a No. 1 draft pick and the player who epitomised the immortal words of Jack Dempsey - "A champion is someone who get up when he can't".