Hawthorn's First Draft Pick.

[hawks_time]

we dont have to use our first pick on him, we get him cheaply

I thought he wasn't available until next year?

 

[H2F]

We have to use Pick 9 on the best kid.

I don't subscribe to the theory of windows. We got here because we kept getting fantastic kids and developing them. Right here, right now, will decide whether we deviate from the master plan that has seen us already win a flag, and also start assembling a list that is the awe of the competition.

Yes I know Mitch, Hodgey and Changa are 27, but we won a flag because we had so many superstar kids pushing up to support our Senior players. We can't stop now or we will end up like the Bulldogs. They are relying on this window shit, and 4 or 5 Senior stars can't do it on their own.

I say we get Cunnington, Talia, Miller or the like and keep pushing through and developing star kids. This way we will always be up there, and on top of this have a real chance at creating an era like we did in the 80's.

As for our defence, well we should trade third, fourth rounders only or trade players we have spares of. Like Thorp and maybe Dowler. Maybe even a Tuck.

We can get a Tarrant easily for a Thorp plus third rounder or something of the like. And that should be the most we should stop-gap, as drafting and developing our young stars is what really makes a difference, and is the real reason we are here now.

 

[Drehawk]

totally agree. There is no way we trade our first pick. I wouldn't even use it on a defender. Most defenders are failed forwards. We can make defenders out of guys on our list or shop around for an out of form forward/tall. Create a roll, give someone a fresh start down back like what saints did with zac. The best backlines are not full of superstars, they are team within a team that knows each other very well. Just look at the pies this year. As for pick 9;just get the best mid, sit him in the pocket next year as rioli goes into the middle.

 

[Furn]

If its a shallow draft then thats more reason to keep your early picks i would have thought, as theres less chance of getting anything good later on.

If we trade pick 9 that will mean we wont have a pick in the top 25 for the next 3 years with the new teams coming in.

 

[Consumed]

It's a good point, but Gibson would come very cheap and is more than capable of holding down the key forwards.

The discussion will become much more interesting following the trade period. I don't see any good reason to hang on to our draft picks, and Pelchen is hardly the type to give them away cheaply.

No he won't.
And just to prevent saying it down the track, we won't get him for a trade including Murphy.

Also, in your last post, the Hawthorn player is Thorp. No 'e' at the end.

Posters always overvalue their players and undervalue the oppositions. Always.

 

[Consumed]

totally agree. There is no way we trade our first pick. I wouldn't even use it on a defender. Most defenders are failed forwards. We can make defenders out of guys on our list or shop around for an out of form forward/tall. Create a roll, give someone a fresh start down back like what saints did with zac. The best backlines are not full of superstars, they are team within a team that knows each other very well. Just look at the pies this year. As for pick 9;just get the best mid, sit him in the pocket next year as rioli goes into the middle.

The best backlines are those with no injuries.
Teams that have 6 players in the same position game after game will generally be much better.

Such as the Premiers in 2008.

 

[hawk life]

I think we have enough kids.
Gibson would be great depending on what we have to give up. Lake even better and would give a lot to get him.
I like the idea of trading our first round draft pick because it's worth so much more this year than any other year because of gold coast.
If we dont trade it we need a maguire or drum, they wont set the game on fire but they are more than handy.

We need a little pass what about Jetta in this years draft? He is supposed to be real quick and can kick might last till our 2nd pick. he isn't a kid either, i think he is 20 years old or something.

I am sick of zac getting talked up because look who he has around him anyone would look half descent in that team. If he was in our team this year we would have delisted him half way through the year.

lets all be realistic he is an ave player at best....

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

If its a shallow draft then thats more reason to keep your early picks i would have thought, as theres less chance of getting anything good later on.

If we trade pick 9 that will mean we wont have a pick in the top 25 for the next 3 years with the new teams coming in.

Smart post.

Our No. 9 will be our last decent pick for probably five years, maybe longer.

Only a true superstar with 5 years left in him is of equal worth.

 

[Drehawk]

The best backlines are those with no injuries.

Teams that have 6 players in the same position game after game will generally be much better.

Such as the Premiers in 2008.

Good call, was going to use our o8' backline as an example but didn't have time. You are rite, the guys must play together week in week out, and work like a well oiled machine.

 

[Scrads]

I thought he wasn't available until next year?

oh really ? hmm perhaps I was wrong then... either way, we get him- noone else does. and we get him cheaply too

 

[the walloper]

A lot of fuss about pick 9. What has it come up with in the past?
Positives...Ziebell, Mitch Clark, Hamish McIntosh
Neutrals...Armitage, Russell, Pettifer, McEvoy
Negatives...Trotter, Molan, Beetham

Trade it for a ready made player that can contribute immediately and for the next 5 years at least.

Out of the list above who would you trade for pick 9?

 

[CarnTheHawks!]

A lot of fuss about pick 9. What has it come up with in the past?
Positives...Ziebell, Mitch Clark, Hamish McIntosh
Neutrals...Armitage, Russell, Pettifer, McEvoy
Negatives...Trotter, Molan, Beetham

Trade it for a ready made player that can contribute immediately and for the next 5 years at least.

Out of the list above who would you trade for pick 9?

wow.
That is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
do you actually believe that?
since when has the ninth pick in the draft not been something to make a fuss about.
There is another factor that you are neglecting and that is that all of the best young players will be going to the Gold Coast for the next two years.
Any team would be crazy to trade any of their first round picks.

 

[mess]

Smart post.

Our No. 9 will be our last decent pick for probably five years, maybe longer.

Only a true superstar with 5 years left in him is of equal worth.

Not from the perspective of the hypothetical trading opposite it's not.

We're already the youngest club in the land, there are other ways to acquire youth if you've got good recruiters, and everyone else is in the same boat anyway.

5 years is not really that scary.

 

[mess]

wow.
That is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
do you actually believe that?
since when has the ninth pick in the draft not been something to make a fuss about.

Trotter, Molan, Beetham, Dunn.
I really can't be expected to remember anymore names than this under the circumstances (ie. no-one remembers them), but there are plenty.

 

[the walloper]

wow.
That is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
do you actually believe that?
since when has the ninth pick in the draft not been something to make a fuss about.
There is another factor that you are neglecting and that is that all of the best young players will be going to the Gold Coast for the next two years.
Any team would be crazy to trade any of their first round picks.

My point is pick no.9 does not guarantee a quality player. In fact, it is more likely that he will be serviceable at best. I have shown you the No.9 picks over the last decade and only three would really count as successful. We are already the youngest list, perhaps it is time to use one pick for an experienced, not aged, player. One pick, not four. We still can get youth with our other picks and trades.
and yes, I believe that!

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

My point is pick no.9 does not guarantee a quality player. In fact, it is more likely that he will be serviceable at best. I have shown you the No.9 picks over the last decade and only three would really count as successful. We are already the youngest list, perhaps it is time to use one pick for an experienced, not aged, player. One pick, not four. We still can get youth with our other picks and trades.
and yes, I believe that!

Blame the recruiters, not the number.

Pretty foolish statement.

 

[Rioli]

Blame the recruiters, not the number.

Definitely worth quoting.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I've said it before, we should definitely keep our first pick.

The kind of players being linked in trading are not worth pick 9.

My preference is Talia, even if we get Gibson. Solves that end of the ground to go with our other end we already have covered.

Remeber that even when we lost this year, quite often we still ahd mroe inside 50s. Either our forward line wasn't very effective and/or our backline wasn;t very good. Midifeld was ok for mine.

 

[Franko Armani]

We will trade the picks, we must trade them for players with at least 2-3 years AFL experience for our shot at our next flag before the end of 2012. This gives us 3 seasons. History shows us sides that win the flag have a mid-high 20's average years & average games of around 100.

Forget anything after 2012 for now. Must win at least 1 more flag with this great list by then. Top it up for now, we have plenty of good youngsters already.

As we know, average/servicable players are made to look very good in a side that is up and about. See Dawson this year, see Murphy last year, see Taylor last year.

 

[Buddy Guy]

Does anyone have any details on Aaron Black from Peel Thunder?
He has played 3 senior games at Peel as a tall defender and is being rated as a draft bolter come November.
If any one can shed some light on this kid I would be very grateful.

 

[Consumed]

Does anyone have any details on Aaron Black from Peel Thunder?
He has played 3 senior games at Peel as a tall defender and is being rated as a draft bolter come November.
If any one can shed some light on this kid I would be very grateful.

Aaron Black (Peel Thunder, WA)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 29/11/90
Recruited from: Kingsley
Athletic key forward whose excellent hands are a feature. Agility and awareness are also strengths. Western Australia U18 representative in 2009.

Aaron Black- Peel-The athletic tall could be the bolter in this year's top 16. He has a basketball background and has been likened to Geelong's Mitchell Brown, who shot up the rankings in last year's draft and was taken in the first round.

NOTE: I'm just using the search function and grabbing relevent info from other posts. The general consensus from WA posters, is that he could be a bolter after the draft camp.

 

[Buddy Guy]

Aaron Black (Peel Thunder, WA)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 29/11/90
Recruited from: Kingsley
Athletic key forward whose excellent hands are a feature. Agility and awareness are also strengths. Western Australia U18 representative in 2009.

Aaron Black- Peel-The athletic tall could be the bolter in this year's top 16. He has a basketball background and has been likened to Geelong's Mitchell Brown, who shot up the rankings in last year's draft and was taken in the first round.

NOTE: I'm just using the search function and grabbing relevent info from other posts. The general consensus from WA posters, is that he could be a bolter after the draft camp.

Thanks consumed.
Any chance he could get through to our 2nd round pick?
Sounds promising.

 

[wizz_5]

Thanks consumed.
Any chance he could get through to our 2nd round pick?
Sounds promising.

Aaron Black can play thats for sure one of the best overhead marks i have seen with great hands. 50 meter kick on both sides of the body and is especially quick too. i think you would be lucky for a KPP such as him to drop to your 2nd pick especially with both WA teams(Eagles) having their 2nds before you guys.

Also have some inside information that the kangaroos may want their fair piece of the pie aswell they also have their 2nd pick before you to.

Also never was in under 18s or Recruited from Kingsley

 

[Buddy Guy]

Thanks wizz_5.
He sounds like a very exciting prospect.
Fingers crossed your recruiting blokes forget to draft him

 

[noosa hawk mad]

NO NO NO to anymore developign 18 year old youngsters.

Our window with Mitchell (26) Hodge (26) Sewell (26) Bateman (27) is in the enxt 3 years.

Tuck Muston Moss Rioli Roguhy lewis Franko Morton Kennedy Thorp Schoenamkers Dowler are more than enough developing youngsters on the one list that wiull serve us well for the enxt 10 years.


We need minimum one key back ASAP. Preferably we should be seeking 2.

Schooner is 2-3 years muscle size and weight size from holding down a key back job. Gillo is ok as our second key back. T Murph is not a key back.

Current situation as it stands we have 1 defensive player in Gilham next seaosn that would be an automatic selection.

Birchall is a runner not a fighter.
Brown is half back flank at best.

If Hawthorn dont recruit some key defense for next season we are useless.

Agree with this post.........