Haysman Pushed Out The Door

[manureid]

Port Adelaide in name only? And will that last? Not sure I want to be part of it.

 

[finbarr]

The optimist in me is hoping perhaps Haysie flagged these intentions some time ago, that he would wait until our future was secured and then move out of the job. And that Vlad's been lining up a Brian Cunningham to move back into the job.....or some such.

This is all I'm clinging to right now.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

The optimist in me is hoping perhaps Haysie flagged these intentions some time ago, that he would wait until our future was secured and then move out of the job. And that Vlad's been lining up a Brian Cunningham to move back into the job.....or some such.

This is all I'm clinging to right now.

I'll cling with you.

 

[PowerKat]

disappointing

nice post footyhead

 

[finbarr]

I'll cling with you.

Remember, Ralph the rumour munger probably has a better hit to miss ratio than Rucci on these matters. So I'm still taking the Keith Thomas thing as pure speculation on Rucci's part. At least for now.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Port Adelaide in name only? And will that last? Not sure I want to be part of it.

Well then get off. It’s this sort of attitude that has helped catapult us into the position we are in now.

Yes the SANFL stadium deal stinks but guess what? We’ve known that for years and we’ve known the solution. Port supporters get off your arses and get to games in big enough numbers to turn a profit. But oh no too many of our largely absent supporter base are content to sit at home in front of the plasma/LCD or go to the pub and watch it there. We’re just about at the stage of celebrating a crowd of 20,000 these days.

Rucci’s banged on about this for a while and we have on this Board too. Take control of your club’s destiny by actually showing a real, visible interest.

Meanwhile our club sinks deeper and deeper into the financial mire handing a takeover to the barbarians at the gate on a silver platter.

And it’s not as if the club itself is blameless. We start out as Port Adelaide in the AFL, then we are the Power, now we are Port Adelaide again. We were at least party to the farcical Magpies in-out-in situation as well. At least that is kind of sorted although I still think it’s a distraction albeit a better managed one now.

Speaking of farcical the whole Mark Williams situation as it played out the last couple of years couldn’t have been more poorly handled could it? Oh yes we’ll reappoint him because he’s the one to take us forward. No hang on he isn’t we’ll sack him and pay him out even though we are getting financial support from the AFL. Do we think we should tell them? No it’s ok they’ll work it out.

The selection of Primus as coach smacked of jobs for the boys and there’s been no bounce in crowds on the back of his appointment. I’m not saying he might not have been the best candidate but we are dealing with perceptions. As we were following the 2007 disaster where no one was held accountable.

And the selection saga during this season has created way too much division. I understand what Primus is trying to do but it just gave way too much oxygen to another spot fire for the media to light and even divided supporters.

The club has created enough divisions within itself to create the impression of not being well run and in that case when you are reliant on massive funding injections to keep functioning, well the creditors are going to want some say. And if they are wanting to cut off heads, well it’s not the boot studder they will be looking for.

I won’t jump the gun like some seem prepared to do already - I'll be clinging too and supporting as strongly as I can to make sure we maintain our identity. If Keith Thomas gets the job he'll be getting emails from me telling him what I expect as a Port supporter. Vlad has publicly supported Port Adelaide and stopped the attempted SANFL coup a few weeks back.. In conjunction with the TV agreement and the upcoming move to Adelaide Oval I expect the club to continue to exist and maybe improve the perception of how its run by being run better.

If we become the South Coast Power well then yeah it'll be see you and thanks for the memories from me. Back to the DVD collection.

The biggest problem is with Adelaide Oval on the horizon will the supporters return during the death throes of Footy Park?

 

[PortBrillance]

I'd rather Haysie than Bucky.

Younger, new ideas, and haven't worked with the SANFL in the past 5 years. It will be a really sad day if Haysman is kicked out, because that's what it will be...the SANFL have shown him the door, he would more than likely be staying otherwise.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Bruce Abernethy all but confirmed that Mark Haysman is gone from Port. Will finish up in two weeks according to Abba. Bruce is a Board member so I doubt he would run the story without a bit of inside knowledge.

The optimist in me is hoping perhaps Haysie flagged these intentions some time ago, that he would wait until our future was secured and then move out of the job. And that Vlad's been lining up a Brian Cunningham to move back into the job.....or some such.

This is all I'm clinging to right now.

Just looking to join the dots. What about Bruce, himself? Isn't he the CEO of IJF Australia? Aren't they a National company? Well?

 

[Portia]

Take control of your club’s destiny by actually showing a real, visible interest.

Ford, what has happened is that we have reached the point at which it is impossible to conveniently overlook that the SANFL half run the club, that every aspect of SA Footy is working against us, and that the AFL are still half-arsed in their support for our club.

Poor on-field performance is one thing, poor off-field performance is another. But seriously, what can you do to fix it? The debt reduction scheme? Oh, apparently the SANFL want to burn it on current debts. Maybe give even more money? But thats going to the SANFL's stadium deal and catering penalties, not the club.

Oh but thats OK, because as we've helped out the SANFL while riding high, they'll help us out when we hit a low. No? Oh they want to launch a takeover of the club? Oh, they want to can our CEO for highlighting how shitty the PAFC is being treated by the governing organisations responsible for its health? Yeah, right.

Seriously, saving the PAFC right now is like trying to give aid to starving people in countries with corrupt bureaucratic dictatorships - by giving money to those bureaucracies. It doesn't work.

Give me a club and I'll support it, but right now how the **** can anyone convince themselves that we have one?

 

[b0ydman]

FF your post above really summed it all up. Thats almost worth a sticky must read.
Really, maybe its because I am interstate, but I am non fussed about this.
Quite simply already were owned by the SANFL
So whats new? They (maybe) want their stoogie running the show?
We stillhave the same split of board members if I understand it?
What can the CEO do thats not in our interest? He'd go to jail if he didn't act in its members interest.
We're 2 & 12 and need money. Our credit card is maxed, did we think this was going to be with no strings attached?
Haysman would earn what? $300k at PAFC? I don't think I'd do the job for that money unless I was retiring.
And you don't quit- you get walked so you get paid out. so good luck to him if he is going to sell Beer again.
The board had to re-extend Choco's contract because there was a clause in it for extension at CHOCO's whim. Hence the late night, pay cut, wait in the lane way, 8 hour board meeting make it look like we're deliberating, hoping he'd say no.
I blame the board for a lot with us, a real Lot, not choco's extension, but the original contract
I think they are completely incompetent, but then I think that about most any adult who stays in SA, if they are any good, I mean really good, then at some stage they leave and they get their kids out of there to give them more opportunity. So as a starting point our board is going to be also-rans anyway.
So yeah the whole lot should go, not just haysman
In any respect, we are 2 & 12. I don't care if Mike the Monkey were our CEO, our players are still front runners, they can't defend and we have the IT boy as an assistant midfield coach
We have bigger problems that which businessman signs the invoices and sends out the minutes to board meetings each month
If we were 12 & 2 would we care if Keith Thomas, or Buccy, or Speedy the can collector were CEO?
IF the CEO can have that much impact then why did it appoint Primus and not demand a cull of players? Ergo it didn't, so it either can't or was asleep at the wheel
If he had a chance for a better coach but fluffed it
if he had a chance at ensuring we have player turnover but didn't enforce it, then he was incompetent and good riddance
If he doesnt have control over that, then if Keith Thomas is the better person good luck to him
Do we want sentiment or the best person? Was Primus the best, or the sentimental favourite?
Granted anythign the SANFL is involved in is usually a failure.

 

[Pinepower]

Apparently 2.30pm today he will announce his resignation

The article from Adelaide now has been updated.

 

[Janey]

The optimist in me is hoping perhaps Haysie flagged these intentions some time ago, that he would wait until our future was secured and then move out of the job. And that Vlad's been lining up a Brian Cunningham to move back into the job.....or some such.

This is all I'm clinging to right now.

Could be something to that - while Rucci says he has been made a scapegoat, he has still referred to him resigning, not getting the sack. Mark has had an incredibly tough couple of years, it's been one continual hard slog to get the OnePAFC and AO deals done, and maybe its just taken it's toll. There have been times during the last cple of years when I thought he looked absolutely exhausted.

The article seems to suggest that it was his call to hang in there until both the AO and the AFL assistance were done deals.

That's not to say that there hasn't been pressure on him to go, and I am still concerned about what happens next.

 

[Portia]

The board had to re-extend Choco's contract because there was a clause in it for extension at CHOCO's whim. Hence the late night, pay cut, wait in the lane way, 8 hour board meeting make it look like we're deliberating, hoping he'd say no.

Yeah thats false.

Choco had a clause where by the middle of the year, the club had to let him know if they were going to offer him another contract, or if they wanted to leave their options open - and it gave him the opportunity to start talking with other clubs about a job as of that date.

That is the entire thing. Choco's `insider' on the board wanted him signed up so he couldn't be poached, and the rest seemingly wanted to same, so he got told he would be offered a new contract.

That was the bad decision, it was not that Choco had the whim of demanding an extension, it was an actively shit decision from the board mid-season.

 

[manureid]

Well then get off. It’s this sort of attitude that has helped catapult us into the position we are in now.

Port Adelaide in name only? And will that last? Not sure I want to be part of it.

If we become the South Coast Power well then yeah it'll be see you and thanks for the memories from me. Back to the DVD collection.

So you are telling me to get off when I am saying the same thing as you except in less than 4000 effing words.

 

[tribey]

Yeah thats false.

Choco had a clause where by the middle of the year, the club had to let him know if they were going to offer him another contract, or if they wanted to leave their options open - and it gave him the opportunity to start talking with other clubs about a job as of that date.

That is the entire thing. Choco's `insider' on the board wanted him signed up so he couldn't be poached, and the rest seemingly wanted to same, so he got told he would be offered a new contract.

That was the bad decision, it was not that Choco had the whim of demanding an extension, it was an actively shit decision from the board mid-season.

A lot has been made of the '07 GF as the catalyst for the whirlpool of mediocrity the club has been sucked into, but '09. Christ.

Our best was top-4, a nice mix of ages and experience and then the decision at a time when the club was on the precipice.

Choco soundbytes like "greatest home and away win in the club's history!" after the positivity of the Hawthorn game which led to the inevitable letdown vs St. Kilda the week after should've been enough for us to part ways. The flawed psychology never changed.

Instead we reload, miss out on Hardwick, change our mind, and end up further away than ever with the worst football department since Freo 2001.

 

[SwampRat]

Could be something to that - while Rucci says he has been made a scapegoat, he has still referred to him resigning, not getting the sack. Mark has had an incredibly tough couple of years, it's been one continual hard slog to get the OnePAFC and AO deals done, and maybe its just taken it's toll. There have been times during the last cple of years when I thought he looked absolutely exhausted.

The article seems to suggest that it was his call to hang in there until both the AO and the AFL assistance were done deals.

That's not to say that there hasn't been pressure on him to go, and I am still concerned about what happens next.

CEOs are almost never sacked. They do however often resign at the Board's request. It's a quaint old tradition to save face. The organsation doesn't have to formally admit a mistake, and the CEO isn't fully tarnished.

 

[Power Pete]

To Mark Haysman - You didn't let us down and i'm proud of what you have done for this club over the time you have been here.

Others might think different but your a winner in my eyes. All the best to you and your family Mark... we'll miss you.

 

[PowerLover]

To Mark Haysman - You didn't let us down and i'm proud of what you have done for this club over the time you have been here.

Others might think different but your a winner in my eyes. All the best to you and your family Mark... we'll miss you.

Here, here. I am going to Port Club for 2.30pm presser.

 

[kaysee]

Steve Kerrigan: "Mark, you haven't let anyone down. I don't know what the opposite of lettin' someone down is... but you've done the opposite."

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I emailed Haysie support and asked him if we will get the full story when he stepos of.

He said 'One day...'

I will look forwad to that day. No doubt the SANFL have bought his silence for a few years as part of his severence package.

On a side note how much are we payign out Haysie? How is this different from the Choco situation that these buffoons have been so vocal about?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

So you are telling me to get off when I am saying the same thing as you except in less than 4000 effing words.

I apologise for reaching your literacy threshold. back at ya.

Your post indicated your were ready to walk away now.

I'm prepared to sit tight and see how this plays out not come along with a convenient self-fulfilling prophecy to quit now.

If that's not what you meant then maybe you should have used a few more than half a dozen effing words so as to be clearer.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Ford, what has happened is that we have reached the point at which it is impossible to conveniently overlook that the SANFL half run the club, that every aspect of SA Footy is working against us, and that the AFL are still half-arsed in their support for our club.

Poor on-field performance is one thing, poor off-field performance is another. But seriously, what can you do to fix it? The debt reduction scheme? Oh, apparently the SANFL want to burn it on current debts. Maybe give even more money? But thats going to the SANFL's stadium deal and catering penalties, not the club.

Oh but thats OK, because as we've helped out the SANFL while riding high, they'll help us out when we hit a low. No? Oh they want to launch a takeover of the club? Oh, they want to can our CEO for highlighting how shitty the PAFC is being treated by the governing organisations responsible for its health? Yeah, right.

Seriously, saving the PAFC right now is like trying to give aid to starving people in countries with corrupt bureaucratic dictatorships - by giving money to those bureaucracies. It doesn't work.

Give me a club and I'll support it, but right now how the **** can anyone convince themselves that we have one?

Then we're pretty much in a Catch-22. We needed a critical mass of people to come and see us to help us be a real club but a critical mass of people wouldn't come to see us until we are a real club.

The trouble is we've sold at least a part of our soul now, can we turn it around and buy it back?

 

[Asgardian]

Here, here. I am going to Port Club for 2.30pm presser.

FFS, I wish people realised they are not summoning a dog, but voicing their acclamation.

Hear, hear.

BTW, Port are playing Brisbane this weekend, the club has not died, we are still on the field.

People come and go, sometimes it is not pretty, but we are still a footy club putting our players out on the field

 

[Portia]

Then we're pretty much in a Catch-22. We needed a critical mass of people to come and see us to help us be a real club but a critical mass of people wouldn't come to see us until we are a real club.

The trouble is we've sold at least a part of our soul now, can we turn it around and buy it back?

How do you do that?

If we suddenly get massive crowds and revenue and want to buy our AFL license back, well clearly the value of it has increased, hasn't it? Why would the SANFL want to give up secure revenues at a fair price? They don't do anything fair; thats established fact.

If we want a better stadium deal, how do we arrange that when we will still at no stage have the right to free negotiation for all alternatives, due to AFL/SANFL agreements? When there is no feasible ground to play at that the SANFL does not have their hooks in? I've said it before, but the Adelaide Oval deal is a long way from being all roses.

The SANFL as an organization have loudly proclaimed themselves as anti-Port Adelaide at every level in the past year. And the AFL, well, they're leaving us with them. Thanks guys.

The only way to succeed under the current model (and by current model, I am including all of these short-term measures and concessions that are being made) is to suddenly become Collingwood, but with a consistent heavy drain on resources every step of the way, forever. How the **** do you do that?

The only alternative I can think of is for Port to continue to be such a drain on resources that the SANFL have no choice but to cut us loose. That still doesn't fix the stadium deal though, or that Adelaide Oval will be managed by two entities that have no interest in a good working relationship with Port Adelaide, just in funding their own shit.

 

[relapse]

Remember, Ralph the rumour munger probably has a better hit to miss ratio than Rucci on these matters. So I'm still taking the Keith Thomas thing as pure speculation on Rucci's part. At least for now.

I dont think it is a baseless Rucci rumour as Rob Lucas mentioned that Haysman was leaving and Keith Thomas was replacing him in Parliament a few weeks ago.

Considering he was a part of John Olsen's cabinet I would suggest that Lucas' info has come directly from the horses mouth.