Help me with my top 20 Players of All time list

[TJASTA]

needs more Jack Graham

 

[South of the Yarra]

Jason Dunstall rated SOS in the top 5 players he’s seen. I’d say he knows a thing or two more than you.

SOS was an absolute superstar. I don’t believe he was the best Full Back ever. In fact I don’t believe he was Carlton’s best Full Back ever but as an all round player who could play both ends he was a champ.

 

[Seeds]

Pretty sure the poster I was replying to never played on any of em mate.

Yes but your response is based solely on something dunstall said and he is going to focus on the players he played on. All full forwards and full backs do.

 

[Seeds]

Supporters would often watch every game that round via tv or radio whereas the footballers themselves would only focus on the upcoming weekly match up against their opponent.
Dunstall saw a lot of SOS but he also missed many of his games.

That said, supporters have always been biased and naive toward their own clubs.

You can't deny how great Silvagni was. He was a better mark than Scarlett and Rance. Just as quick and strong but perhaps not as good as Scarlett with his play making ability.
At times, Scarlett became a link-up midfielder from the back half and opposing teams began to look for ways to negate this by playing their key forward further up the field.
Silvagni was deceptive in size. He was 194cm and close to 100kg yet moved like a player so much smaller in stature.

Silvagni played in an era where he could bear hug a player when the ball was 50 metres away and push in the back rule and over the shoulders rule was much more lightly interpreted. Would of struggled a lot more with the more modern interpretations as he didnt have the strength of other full backs.

People also forget silvagni only played the latter part of his career at full back. Could of been an awesome forward as he had very silky skills. His talents were wasted a bit.

 

[JackBero]

Fev

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

needs more Jack Graham

Graham, Jack Graham that is.

 

[Walt Kowalski]

Reckon this is the best team I've seen in the old school positions, give or take:

Scarlett : Silvagni : Wanganeen
McLeod : Jakovich : Roos
Matera : Williams : Buckley
Ablett Sr. : Carey : Hird
Dunstall : Lockett : Daicos

Madden : R.Harvey : Ablett Jr.

Voss : Martin : Cox : Judd

 

[Eagleboy68]

Dean Cox up there as one of the greatest ruckmen of all time.

You've also missed Chris judd

 

[GoldStandard]

Strachanie and Alan Didak

 

[Black white]

Jason Dunstall rated SOS in the top 5 players he’s seen. I’d say he knows a thing or two more than you.

The bald bitter fat guy knows f all, just listen to his special comments

 

[jsdsgn]

Thankyou all for your replies
Of all names suggested (that aren't trolls) I think they're all worthy of consideration.
David Dench is the one I have no idea how I missed. I consider him potentially the best FB ever just a shame he's an arseh*le

I'm someone who hates recency bias and so I'll openly admit I struggle to include recent players in this list which is why Judd wasn't there.

I'll stick with that assessment as I don't think he's top 20, but top 20 that I've seen for sure. Brilliant doesn't do him justice.

 

[jonesy233]

Defenders - Glen Jakovich

Midfielders - Dustin Martin, Chris Judd, Nat Fyfe, Adam Goodes, Andrew McLeod, Brody Grundy (in my opinion the best ruckman of the last 30 years).

Forwards - Buddy Franklin, Matthew Pavlich, Eddy Betts

 

[Monkey King]

SOS was an absolute superstar. I don’t believe he was the best Full Back ever. In fact I don’t believe he was Carlton’s best Full Back ever but as an all round player who could play both ends he was a champ.

Yeah, people can have their own opinion, but when you see someone saying SOS doesn’t even deserve to be spoken of in a thread like this, you know the opinion is more some personal hang up than reality based. I don’t have much energy to spend on those folk, but pointing out what the game’s greatest think is a worthwhile reality based response.

 

[Monkey King]

Yes but your response is based solely on something dunstall said and he is going to focus on the players he played on.

You’ve made an false assumption. Silvagni was the only player on Dunstall’s list that he played on.

 

[Brutalitops]

Not enough Barry Cable for me.

Came here to say that exact thing. Most creative handballer of all time. If he played basketball he'd be a Harlem Globetrotter.

Peter Matera also stiff. Should have been the Eagles first Brownlow medallist.

Eddie Betts probably the goat small forward.

No Judd or Williams is downright criminal.

 

[Seeds]

Came here to say that exact thing. Most creative handballer of all time. If he played basketball he'd be a Harlem Globetrotter.

Peter Matera also stiff. Should have been the Eagles first Brownlow medallist.

Eddie Betts probably the goat small forward.

No Judd or Williams is downright criminal.

The betts one is a joke right? The guy never performed in finals. Also only had a few great seasons. He was not a champion player at carlton. To be honest garren and Garrett looked more talented at carlton then Betts.

 

[Seeds]

Defenders - Glen Jakovich

Midfielders - Dustin Martin, Chris Judd, Nat Fyfe, Adam Goodes, Andrew McLeod, Brody Grundy (in my opinion the best ruckman of the last 30 years).

Forwards - Buddy Franklin, Matthew Pavlich, Eddy Betts

Ok I thought betts was funny but grundy?

Goldstein, cox, sandilands, gawn, rehn all vastly superior. I could name another half dozen I would prefer as well to grundy. Grundy isnt big enough to compete with the a grade big ruckman.

 

[Brutalitops]

The betts one is a joke right? The guy never performed in finals. Also only had a few great seasons. He was not a champion player at carlton. To be honest garren and Garrett looked more talented at carlton then Betts.

Name a better forward pocket than Betts. You'd have name blokes like Matthews and KB but you'd want them in midfield first.

Id be taking Betts over Milne. Phil Matera never quite reached the same heights and Wirrpanda was better as a back pocket than he was forward

 

[PhatBoy]

Name a better forward pocket than Betts. You'd have name blokes like Matthews and KB but you'd want them in midfield first.

Id be taking Betts over Milne. Phil Matera never quite reached the same heights and Wirrpanda was better as a back pocket than he was forward

Um, Daicos?

 

[Brutalitops]

Um, Daicos?

Not a small forward. And played his best footy at full forward

 

[kranky al]

James Hird averaged 20 disposals, 6 marks and 1.4 goals per game.
He has 5 B&F's
5 x All Australian
2 Premierships
Norm Smith medal
Brownlow medal

He earns the right, as a player, to be considered one of the all time greats.


Martin may get there someday, but as it stands right now, he's not there just yet.

Hird aint going anywhere.

If he had better luck with injury he would be in the convo for goat.

As it is hes still in the first ten picked imho

 

[Eaglespur]

Cox was a significantly better player than Grundy and had a far superior career. Maybe people have forgotten his effect on games.

 

[My Tilly]

Cox was a significantly better player than Grundy and had a far superior career. Maybe people have forgotten his effect on games.

He took what Jim stynes did in the 80's and 90 and perfected it. Had the skills of an elite midfielder, I mean this was a ruck who could kick perfectly on either foot.

Slightly fewer disposals than what Grundy has today (game has changed a lot today allowing multiple possessions in quick succession from back half) but just as dominant.

I always remember the Cox v Sandilands duels. The best ruck battles since yesteryear. Sandilands in his prime was much more dominant than Grundy and Cox often won those battles.
At least that's how I remember them.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

You people are aware that Franklin is going to kick over 1000 career goals, in an era of flooding?

He's in the top 20 players of all time. And comfortably.

 

[Wolfgang West]

It would seem Adam Goodes was a figment of imagination. Must not have played AFL. It was all make believe. He was sent from a higher being just to antagonise the whordes.