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how did we go in the draft
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good to see sydney supporting the hampden football league in south west victoria!!!
being from this area, i have seen both luke vogels and daniel okeefe develop as footballers. i hope they can become regular players in the swans outfit within the next few years.
being from this area, i have seen both luke vogels and daniel okeefe develop as footballers. i hope they can become regular players in the swans outfit within the next few years.
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I'm sure they will 
Reading this thread, I'm thinking I must have missed something about this draft.
Surely our stocks of defenders and rucks are stronger than they've ever been. Why would we waste a first round pick on another defender or a ruckman?
As far as I can see, what the Swans are most likely to need in a couple of years is a game-breaking midfielder and a quality forward. I would have preferred that they recruited a goal-kicker, but I can understand why they might prefer to gamble on a high-possession ball-winner.
I agree that White looks like he may appear to have an attitude hurdle to get over, but then that's why Adam Goodes nearly didn't get drafted. Probably worth the risk.
Surely our stocks of defenders and rucks are stronger than they've ever been. Why would we waste a first round pick on another defender or a ruckman?
As far as I can see, what the Swans are most likely to need in a couple of years is a game-breaking midfielder and a quality forward. I would have preferred that they recruited a goal-kicker, but I can understand why they might prefer to gamble on a high-possession ball-winner.
I agree that White looks like he may appear to have an attitude hurdle to get over, but then that's why Adam Goodes nearly didn't get drafted. Probably worth the risk.
What do you mean he has an attitude problem?
bigswan
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I think you might be underselling O'Keefe. Barham thought he was ahead of class midfelders like Hislop and Jetta. Faulks is a genuine defender who will grow and has class. Currie and White are projects. I think they have done pretty well given that they had pick 15. Only time will tell.
I'm sure that he's a very good player and now that he's at the Swans, I will be as pleased to see him succeed, if he does, as anyone else. I can't wait to see him in red and white.
The question is, should we have picked him ahead of ready-made talls like McKenzie and M.Brown?
He's what, 74 kilos? It's hard to see him stacking on the 20 or so that he'll need to go toe-to-toe with Brown, Pavlich, Fevola et al. Again, though, I wish him just as much success as O'Keefe and all other Swans players. That's the upside of being a sceptic of our drafting strategy. I'll be thrilled if I'm wrong.
I would throw Faulks into that group as well. That's the thing. They had a chance in the best draft ever, one loaded with about ten highly rated KPPs, and we went with another mid. To go with the other dozen or so mids we now have under the age of 23. And now we have three 'project' KPPs, one with an evident attitude problem and one who's as skinny as a rake.
An interesting article here; http://www.clontarffootball.com/articles.php?req=read&article_id=87
It basically indicates than Stan Magro was trying to get Sydney to draft Michael Johnson, prior to Freo picking him up in the pre-season draft of '2004' (dec 2003).
The players taken by Sydney instead, in the main draft; Andrew Ericksen (pick 47), Mathew Davis (pick 59). and rookie upgrades ; Heath james and James Meiklejohn.
All 4 off Sydney's list, Johnson becoming a good player with Freo.
Interesting synergy;
a developing ruck 2003 pick 47, 2006 pick 49
a developing tall 2003 pick 59, 2006 pick 65.
The moral; just because Barham says it's so, doesn't make it so. (and yes just because I say so, doesn't make it so either
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Originally Posted by bigswan
I think you might be underselling O'Keefe. Barham thought he was ahead of class midfelders like Hislop and Jetta.
I live in WA and I saw Jetta play a lot this year in the WAFL. He is overrated, that is why he slipped down to 18 when everyone thought he would be top 10. There was 14 WA boys drafted and he is for sure the most selfish footballer of that group.
I guess our drafting strategy was a bit dumb, I think we had our mind set on N. Brown and once we missed out on him we went for what seemed like the best available (O'Keefe).
Problem? I'm not sure whether he has a problem, but he certainly has an extra challenge to prove that he'll fit in:
"Barham admits there's an element of speculation about Jesse White . . . .
. . . . he doesn't understand what's needed to make it . . . . If we can turn that around well then he's a chance. If we can't then he won't."
That's an interesting idea!
O'Keefe was linked with the Swans in a number of articles before the draft, but I never saw Brown and the Swans linked. And watching the draft live on BigPond sports, I don't recall any hesitation in calling out O'Keefe's number, when there clearly was some re-thinking done with the Swans' next two picks.
If the Swans actually were caught out, I suspect it was when Richmond took Peterson at no. 60 and Sydney had to bring Faulks forward to no. 65. I think White was very lucky to be drafted.
Rightio, i didn't understand what you were saying. I don't think it'll take him all that long to figure out though what he'll need to do to make it, let's hope not anyway.
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Maybe that's a sign that they don't have much confidence in those young midfield players reaching 100 games? As for a lack of defenders, they might decide to move Grundy back there...he is listed (or was, last time I looked) on the Swans website as a forward/defender....
Shake down the thunder
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Did I miss something - outside LRT we have no defenders over 190cm and get hammered by the big forwards - Lloyd (8 in R1 2006), Brown, Neitz, Pavlich (finals anyone????) - anyone with a bit of bulk. We can't stop them now but at least plan for the enxt batch that is coming in 2-3 years time.
When there are 10+ KPP there for the taking you have to have one. Last time I looked we just delisted Josh Willoughby who on pedigree was in line with kids in this draft and his partner Tim Schmidt can't get a game with us so why do we need midfielders!
As for ruckmen - Jolly has been a warrior for us - lets hope he is as lucky the next two years because whilst I'm a big fan of Spider and Doyley, you can't ruck from the Churchill Stand!
I also note comments on Ryan O'Keefe and his draft position - he won coaches award in TAC which is a pretty good reflection on the things that count and he has made himself a better footballer since being drafted. Good bloke and great determination - worth more than a good kick!
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I think Vogels will be a defender.
Shake down the thunder
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Agree but if we are banking on a dynasty with Luke Vogels as our only potential spare backman in the club then its going to raining goals - midfielders are adime a dozen. Not many Chris Judds running around. Even fewer Jonathan Browns or Matthew Lloyds.
If you are going to dress-up your opinions as fact, at least try not to make such obvious mistakes:
Ted Richards 192 cm
Sean Dempster 191 cm
LRT 194 cm
Luke Vogels 194 cm
Craig Bolton 190 cm
The Swans have not been "hammered" by any of Neitz, Pavlich or Brown in recent years. Gehrig and Lloyd have given us problems for nearly a decade; Lloyd gave Leo Barry a bath in round 1, but he does that to all defenders (including kicking 13 against Andrew Dunkley!)
He was the best available, and he's a potential game-breaker. Even though we've got a long list of hard working smalls, it's a fact that our most creative on-baller is 194 cm and 98 kg, and will be almost impossible to replace.
Not sure what that means, but it doesn't change the fact that the Swans have three top-class senior ruckmen, backed up by an All-Australian ruckman. No other club comes close to that depth.
I read somewhere that Daniel O'Keefe won Geelong Falcons B&F by a long way. Boak from same club was drafted at 7. In most phantom drafts he was on the top 20. Strewth he must have something going for him.
Interesting thing about our backline is that it has been rated as undersized now for 4 years. Is this because the strategy is to not stress about height with our game plan. That is drop a ruckman or 2 back. Everitt is pretty handy at lobbing into space at CHB. Could be used to take centre bounce contest then drop back into the hole. This preserves the pins and body.
Interesting thing about our backline is that it has been rated as undersized now for 4 years. Is this because the strategy is to not stress about height with our game plan. That is drop a ruckman or 2 back. Everitt is pretty handy at lobbing into space at CHB. Could be used to take centre bounce contest then drop back into the hole. This preserves the pins and body.
Surprised you didn't try to name Tadhg on that list, he is a defender and is 190cm. But to be honest I can't believe you think we are OK for KPP's sure when we are injury free like we have been the past two years we are, but if Leo gets an injury all we have in reserve is Vogels and up forward if Hall or Magic go down the only real back up is Grundy.
Where is the depth past Grundy and Vogels in the KP's??? Not there, or if it is we are taking it from other areas of the ground to cover for it.
This draft was a chance to build some depth in the KP for the FUTURE, not now but for the future when the likes of Hall, Magic, and Leo get ready to retire and also if we get hit by injuries. But alas we have decide to take the punt on long shots and basically ruin any chance of being as close to 100% as we could of been.
That's not to say O'Keefe was a poor selection because I agree we did need some extra class in the midfield and hopefully he'll provide that in due course and I agree from all reports he WAS the only player we looked at for pick 15. Jesse White's size seems promising, but a quick look at his "myspace" site doesn't. Faulks needs to put ALOT of bulk on him and hopefully he'll turn into a fine FB and Currie is just there to develop for the next few years.
What seems a poor draft now on paper (like most of our drafts always do) could turn into a really rewarding one (like most tend to in) in 5 years time.
Neitz has given us problems at the SCG but we seem to even the score back in Melbourne for some reason, Pavlich SMASHED us in both meetings this past season basically keeping Freo in the Prelim for most of the first three quarters. While Brown has tended to be injured or suspened from our matches against the Lions. So while they might not of hammered us they have given us "some" problems, Pavlich in particular.
Gehrig's been a problem since Barry keep him goalless in 04 and Roos seems to think that he can do that again and again (but basically get smashed time and again). As for Lloyd best in the business for a reason, but I believe the day he kicked 13 kick had the likes of Luff and Bennett line up on him.
One who is over the age of 33, one who is injury prone like no other player on the senior list and Jolly who is nothing without a good partner in crime. End of the day we needed a 4th ruckman to develop a) in case Doyle goes down and b) for when Everitt retires in 2 years time.
According to the AFL site Mathew Davis and Earl Shaw are currently training with the team. They are the only non listed players training with the team.
Surely Shaw has to be taken in the rookie draft (not 20yo until 17/12/06). I'll be **********ed off he is drafted by another team. No interest in seeing Davis back. I'd like to see Wall redrafted. Doesn't play to his height and very skinny, but has some talent IMHO.
Of the other players delisted they are training at;
Garruba - Hawthorn
Ericksen - Melbourne
Willoughby - Pt Adel
No mention of Spriggs et al.
Surely Shaw has to be taken in the rookie draft (not 20yo until 17/12/06). I'll be **********ed off he is drafted by another team. No interest in seeing Davis back. I'd like to see Wall redrafted. Doesn't play to his height and very skinny, but has some talent IMHO.
Of the other players delisted they are training at;
Garruba - Hawthorn
Ericksen - Melbourne
Willoughby - Pt Adel
No mention of Spriggs et al.
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^None of them will make it.
Hey does anyone know when the draftees will join the players group for pre-season training?
Hey does anyone know when the draftees will join the players group for pre-season training?
grimlock
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I hope we don't pick up Davis. He showed absolutely nothing last year. I'd rather re-rookie someone like Paul Currie before him. Speaking of which, can anyone remember the last 'long-term' player that came good? Daniel Hunt, Matthew Davis, Andrew Ericksen, all supposed to be long-term projects and look where they are all now.
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Dan Hunt plays for the local team I support, West Perth. He had a great year.
Yeah, forgot about him. Are you saying he's not 190 cm, or he's not a defender?
I've never really understood this KPP obsession that you and Charlie trot out every year. What is a KPP?
Anyhow, sticking to the facts:
The defensive back-up for the Swans is Dempster, Bevan and Vogels (who are all under 24yo). I defy you to name another team with more defensive depth than that.
I've already said that I would have liked to see another goal-kicker to go along with Grundy in the long term. However, it's not that urgent. Roos has already said that Goodes will move to the forward line later in his career, presumably to replace Hall in due course.
I guess it's obvious we come from different generations. "Smashed" and "hammered" is what Lockett, Dunstall and Ablett did to defenders. Apart from Lloyd and Gehrig, no current forwards have the ability to regularly kick big scores, and having a specialist full-back just to deal with the likes of Lloyd and Gehrig is a luxury few teams can enjoy (as Essendon will find out pretty quickly). Far better to have a team strategy to deal with the spearheads, and run off them as much as possible.
I guess I still see Shaw as our developing ruckman, and I fully expect that he will step up in two years time when Everitt retires. Currie will just be extra insurance.
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