Moved Thread how do you rate and compare the past two premiers?

[Elton Johns Wig]

Every team has injuries. Richmonds were certainly minor compared to other sides. As for Griffiths the last 2 sides to win a flag haven't even had a CHF so it's not that important. Saying Richmond had a great run doesn't diminish the flag at all. Melbourne had a blessed run with injury in 16 yet we were a much better side in 17 even with a stack of injuries.

THE HURT LADDER

Games lost to best 22 / Estimated points lost

GWS Giants 135 / 385

West Coast 83 / 264

Gold Coast 92 / 253

Melbourne 81 / 248

Richmond 81 / 213

North Melbourne 81 / 207

Hawthorn 75 / 199

Western Bulldogs 94 / 187

Sydney 64 / 178

Brisbane Lions 62 / 174

Fremantle 73 / 157

Carlton 75 / 139

Adelaide 67 / 139

Geelong 98 / 138

Collingwood 81 / 115

St Kilda 42 / 100

Essendon 49 / 81

Port Adelaide 37 / 81

Source: Champion Data

 

[Dinsdale]

whoa, its like a tidal wave of main bored flogs washed up on the Bay!

 

[BRWB]

whoa, its like a tidal wave of main bored flogs washed up on the Bay!

Good to see some new blood. Bay has become more Bore recently

 

[Stan Judkins]

Stanley, pls

Come on BigJoeD only trying to have some fun before I die!!!!!!!!!
cheers evereyone

 

[Dinsdale]

Good to see some new blood. Bay has become more Bore recently

true. wont take long for this fred to become a Geelong Dynasty though.
So what are we arguing about 12 pages in, which premier was better from the last 2 years? Why it was the one for the 3 years previous to that of course.

 

[Topkent]

THE HURT LADDER

Games lost to best 22 / Estimated points lost

GWS Giants 135 / 385

West Coast 83 / 264

Gold Coast 92 / 253

Melbourne 81 / 248

Richmond 81 / 213

North Melbourne 81 / 207

Hawthorn 75 / 199

Western Bulldogs 94 / 187

Sydney 64 / 178

Brisbane Lions 62 / 174

Fremantle 73 / 157

Carlton 75 / 139

Adelaide 67 / 139

Geelong 98 / 138

Collingwood 81 / 115

St Kilda 42 / 100

Essendon 49 / 81

Port Adelaide 37 / 81

Source: Champion Data

Rance Riewoldt Martin Cotchin. Richmonds 4 most important players missed 1 game between them all season.

Gawn Hogan Jones Viney Melbournes 4 most important players missed over 30 games between them.

There are injuries and there are injuries.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Bulldogs definitely deserve much of the credit. We (and I'm sure others) as a club admired their togetherness, camaraderie and 'why not us?' mantra. We then adopted their intense pressure doctrine and tailored it to our own list. I think they are the pioneers and really showed that hunger, determination, unity and passion are just as important (maybe more important) than talent and ability alone. Yes they had some elite talents but I don't think they were matched for the intangibles.

As for us, I think every premiership side needs a degree of luck but there is simply no way you can 'fluke' it. The Home and Away season exists purely to set yourself up for finals and trying to give yourself the best chance to go all the way. Once September hits, form, ladder position and everything else goes out the window. Only thing that matters is what happens on the field.

you missed Vlastuin NUFC....he missed a paltry 9 weeks. Apart from that, carry on.

Ah that's right! My bad. Didn't want to let too many facts get in the way of a good story.

Bit like how supposedly we're a club full of bandwagon glory hunting members after our premiership success (despite the fact we're one of only 3 clubs to break the 70k mark and have achieved it in 2015 and 2016 as well...

 

[Gosha]

Rance Riewoldt Martin Cotchin. Richmonds 4 most important players missed 1 game between them all season.

Gawn Hogan Jones Viney Melbournes 4 most important players missed over 30 games between them.

There are injuries and there are injuries.

Who were you missing when you lost to the Pies when you had everything to play for?

 

[Captain_Bender]

Stanley, pls

For a team that lost only 1 game for the year Essendon 2000 had a pretty mediocre midfield

 

[gordo2016]

Bulldogs definitely deserve much of the credit. We (and I'm sure others) as a club admired their togetherness, camaraderie and 'why not us?' mantra. We then adopted their intense pressure doctrine and tailored it to our own list. I think they are the pioneers and really showed that hunger, determination, unity and passion are just as important (maybe more important) than talent and ability alone. Yes they had some elite talents but I don't think they were matched for the intangibles.

As for us, I think every premiership side needs a degree of luck but there is simply no way you can 'fluke' it. The Home and Away season exists purely to set yourself up for finals and trying to give yourself the best chance to go all the way. Once September hits, form, ladder position and everything else goes out the window. Only thing that matters is what happens on the field.



Ah that's right! My bad. Didn't want to let too many facts get in the way of a good story.

Bit like how supposedly we're a club full of bandwagon glory hunting members after our premiership success (despite the fact we're one of only 3 clubs to break the 70k mark and have achieved it in 2015 and 2016 as well...

Great post.

 

[BRWB]

For a team that lost only 1 game for the year Essendon 2000 had a pretty mediocre midfield

Serious questions on whether that 2000 EFC team was drug free and/or wasn't cheating the cap.

 

[captain blood 17]

Lots of talk regarding the last two grand final winners and their respective skills and abilities.

The competition has shifted from a lot of strength and muscle at the top end to a evenly panned out competition that provides more depth at the bottom end.

Salary caps on club administration spending and the introduction of two new teams being the main reasons behind the shift towards equality.

With all that said; how do you compare the past two premiers in the western bulldogs and Richmond to previous years premiers??

Do you rate them similar or less ability wise?

Oh OP, please point to the kitty. Suck it flog.

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[telsor]

Bullshit you say that can't be right, according to the salties we played 25 games at the G.

It's true. They played 12, we only had 11. If you include finals, it's 14 each.

 

[Malifice]

what carlton are hoping for? enjoying the wilderness? not to forget we shouldn't measure carlton by how many games they win this year...why are you even playing again?

Whats Carlton got to do with this?

 

[BigJoeD_]

For a team that lost only 1 game for the year Essendon 2000 had a pretty mediocre midfield

Did they?

Serious questions on whether that 2000 EFC team was drug free and/or wasn't cheating the cap.

Man I hope so, to both questions

 

[telsor]

Yeah they also finished above you on the ladder but didn’t get rewarded for it.

You also had a easy draw playing Brisbane, Carlton, Freo and St Kilda twice which helped you get up there.

Adelaide had top 2 sewn up with 2 rounds left to play while you guys were still battling it out for top 4.

They only finished half a game higher, having had both more home games, and more home ground advantage.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Rance Riewoldt Martin Cotchin. Richmonds 4 most important players missed 1 game between them all season.

Gawn Hogan Jones Viney Melbournes 4 most important players missed over 30 games between them.

There are injuries and there are injuries.

I agree, and said if you had a better run, you'd have finished top 4. I did say that, I really did.

But we weren't "primed".

 

[captain blood 17]

A little like this:

How's your VHS copy of 1995 going champ?


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[This Is Anfield]

The last two premiers are Melbourne based teams. Therefore, they only have to be better that the other Melbourne based teams if they get to September.
It is impossible, and grossly unfair to them, for interstate teams and Geelong to travel to the G and win... apparently!

 

[captain blood 17]

lol, it's a bit like that too.

Oh dear, 17 years and our dreamtime bitches.


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[Captain_Bender]

Did they?



Man I hope so, to both questions

Well a midfield of Jason Johnson, Justin Blumfield, Chris Heffernan, Joe Misti and Blake Caracella on paper doesn't really scream star studded

 

[NUFC Tiger]

OK seriously?? Richmond deserved their premiership and I won't use luck as an excuse but that is a paltry injury list compared to other clubs.

Against Sydney we were missing Gawn/Viney/Watts/Tyson/Jones/Garlett and Hogan. I won't use our injuries as an excuse but you couldn't seriously argue Richmonds list wasn't primed all season.

I'm not denying we had a good season injury wise on the balance of things but there is this notion from a lot of supporters we were 'gifted' a flag, that we 'fluked' it because we had no 'injuries'.

The fact is, any team that wins a flag needs some luck with injuries. Any team that loses some of it's better players will find it hard to play it's best stuff. Further to that, you need to have good depth and a deep list to cover those injuries when they happen. For so long, a huge criticism for us was our bottom 6 were supposedly sub par and that we had minimal options in the reserves to replace players with.

In 2017, we saw guys come in from the reserves and make an impact when given their chance - just look at premiership players like Townsend, Graham and Broad who fought their way into the seniors. Throughout the season, there were others who played well in games only to lose their place later on (Corey Ellis, Menadue, Short, Bolton etc). Mainstays from 2016 like Miles and Lloyd played well too but couldn't cement spots in the senior team either. I have no doubt our strong VFL season played a big part in our flag success.

 

[telsor]

THE HURT LADDER

Games lost to best 22 / Estimated points lost

GWS Giants 135 / 385

West Coast 83 / 264

Gold Coast 92 / 253

Melbourne 81 / 248

Richmond 81 / 213

North Melbourne 81 / 207

Hawthorn 75 / 199

Western Bulldogs 94 / 187

Sydney 64 / 178

Brisbane Lions 62 / 174

Fremantle 73 / 157

Carlton 75 / 139

Adelaide 67 / 139

Geelong 98 / 138

Collingwood 81 / 115

St Kilda 42 / 100

Essendon 49 / 81

Port Adelaide 37 / 81

Source: Champion Data

Stop bringing facts into it....it upsets and confuses the salties.

 

[captain blood 17]

Richmond fans triggered in 3,2,1.....

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[telsor]

thread moved...what were the chances of that?

Troll OP, and it went down hill from there with the first to jump in and add to the trolling being the main board troll mod Malifice .

The thread never stood a chance.