Moved Thread how do you rate and compare the past two premiers?

[captain blood 17]

That’s pure opinion that Richmond were better. So many factors to be taken into account such as the draw, our injuries during that period, our training loads, etc etc.

Man, that's beautiful. Training loads. I know this, on GF day, Adelaide took alot of tiger loads. It was xxx rated.


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[Dr Tigris]

Oh my. Full strength? We lost Brodie Smith in the Prelim final, Mitch McGovern for most of our finals including the GF, Hugh Greenwood carried an ankle throughout the finals and was toast by qtr time in the GF.....hence why a spud like Andy Otten played. And Pyke doesn’t like to blood New players so we haven’t used many players the last several years but that doesn’t mean we’ve had a good injury run. Last year we did but not this year. Don’t talk about the Crows if you don’t know our team.

OK

 

[BigJoeD_]

Well a midfield of Jason Johnson, Justin Blumfield, Chris Heffernan, Joe Misti and Blake Caracella on paper doesn't really scream star studded

You’re forgetting a certain J Hird. I reckon Ramanauskas, Longy and Turtle Rioli might have rolled through there occasionally also. The bona fides of stoppage machines Danny Jacobs and Daniel McAllister seem to be being glossed over here too.



Wait, what were we talking about again?

 

[Heisenberg_]

All your home games including that game that should have been played at Simonds. Yes you’re right.

It was never ever going to be played at Simmonds, only whiny little bitches like you thought it would ever happen, however it's still more of a chance of being reality then your fictional stories of placing $10k on Adelaide to win the GF against the most in form team of the previous 2 months.

 

[captain blood 17]

My biggest question on crows is simple they underestimated us from fans to players and even coaches.Poor match ups poor selections lack of hunger and no grit just expected to rock up and win.

How about this, Adelaide are over rated.


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[bh90210fan]

They only finished half a game higher, having had both more home games, and more home ground advantage.

They were playing not to get injured at the end of the h&a. Not like you guys still desperate for wins. Big difference.

They also had a tougher draw.

 

[Captain_Bender]

You’re forgetting a certain J Hird. I reckon Ramanauskas, Longy and Turtle Rioli might have rolled through there occasionally also. The bona fides of stoppage machines Danny Jacobs and Daniel McAllister seem to be being glossed over here too.



Wait, what were we talking about again?

Hird played both half forward and in the midfield so he does count forgot him both Long and Ramanauskas averaged around 15 disposals Rioli only played 5 games that year Danny Jacobs only played 9 and Daniel McAllister didn't play a single game that year

 

[Malifice]

How's your VHS copy of 1995 going champ?

The year we were clearly the best side all year? The one where we lost 2 games all year, finished minor premiers, and were favorites to win all year and all finals.

That year?

Unsure how you can compare that to the Tigers last year, or Dogs the year before. Both sides were a bit flaky all year, before coming together to pull a great finals series out when it mattered. Neither sides were the fancies to win at any point in the year.

Like I said, that's admirable.

Instead of '95 flag, you would be better comparing it to our '99 GF appearance (we lost that one, but if we had've won it you could raise it) where we got thumped by Brisbane in the semi final by 10 goals yet still stayed in despite finishing 6th, before progressing anyway to play West Coast. Then despite it being a West coast home game, it was played the 'G. We won that game and then we took out flag favorites Essendon in the prelim by a point (who were favorites, and the best side all year).

Brisbane, West Coast and (to a lesser extent) Essendon could all feel aggrieved here.

If we had have won that flag, then I would also agree we jagged one against better opposition.

 

[Sttew]

Yes the comp has equalised which is good but lets not forget that teams like Geelong and Brisbane were all using supplements and procedures that are now banned.

Absolute troll comment. in 2008 - 2011 Geelong footballers travelled along the Tullamarine Freeway in their cars at 100 kmh, the speed limit. Today the speed limit is 80

 

[Rich01]

The Swans were also screwed by the umpires. Interstate team plays Vic team in the GF and gets screwed by the umpires. Think I’ve seen that before....

Correct. They were the one losing grand finalist from the last three years that didn’t shit the bed on the day.

 

[The Dice Man]

The year we were clearly the best side all year? The one where we lost 2 games all year, finished minor premiers, and were favorites to win all year and all finals.

That year?

Unsure how you can compare that to the Tigers last year, or Dogs the year before. Both sides were a bit flaky all year, before coming together to pull a great finals series out when it mattered. Neither sides were the fancies to win at any point in the year.

Like I said, that's admirable.

You could compare it to our 99 GF appearance (we lost that one, but if we had've won it you could raise it) where we got thumped by Brisbane in the semi final yet still stayed in despite finishing 6th, before progressing anyway to play West Coast. Then despite it being a West coast home game, it was played the 'G. We won that game and then we took out flag favorites Essendon in the prelim by a point (who were favorites, and the best side all year).

Brisbane, West Coast and (to a lesser extent) Essendon could all feel aggrieved here.

If we had have won that flag, then I would also agree we jagged one against better opposition.

You're living in the past dude.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

They were playing not to get injured at the end of the h&a. Not like you guys still desperate for wins. Big difference.

They also had a tougher draw.

There was their first mistake, as soon as you go into cotton wool mode your ****ed just ask the demons, they did exactly this after beating the Saints in round 21 thinking finals was a given and we all know what happened after that.

 

[Malifice]

Troll OP, and it went down hill from there with the first to jump in and add to the trolling being the main board troll mod Malifice .

The thread never stood a chance.

Love it how holding an opinion is now 'trolling'.

 

[captain blood 17]

What about a list of teams whove won a premiership from 4th that didnt play an away game to get there.

Think your lot are unique there too.

Lol, you can't even get the ladder position correct. Dig up stupid.


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[Topkent]

I'm not denying we had a good season injury wise on the balance of things but there is this notion from a lot of supporters we were 'gifted' a flag, that we 'fluked' it because we had no 'injuries'.

The fact is, any team that wins a flag needs some luck with injuries. Any team that loses some of it's better players will find it hard to play it's best stuff. Further to that, you need to have good depth and a deep list to cover those injuries when they happen. For so long, a huge criticism for us was our bottom 6 were supposedly sub par and that we had minimal options in the reserves to replace players with.

In 2017, we saw guys come in from the reserves and make an impact when given their chance - just look at premiership players like Townsend, Graham and Broad who fought their way into the seniors. Throughout the season, there were others who played well in games only to lose their place later on (Corey Ellis, Menadue, Short, Bolton etc). Mainstays from 2016 like Miles and Lloyd played well too but couldn't cement spots in the senior team either. I have no doubt our strong VFL season played a big part in our flag success.

Yeah I'm not one of those people that says things like that. Richmond deserved every part of their success and there's certainly no bitterness from my end.

I agree, and said if you had a better run, you'd have finished top 4. I did say that, I really did.

But we weren't "primed".

I don't reckon we would have been personally. I don't think we lost games due to personal and even so I reckon we had enough out there to win games we lost. Shit happens. No guarantees missing players play well anyway.

Who were you missing when you lost to the Pies when you had everything to play for?

Any reason to be a tosser aye?

 

[Heisenberg_]

Something something he disagrees with me so play the mod card something something.

Well in fact from 4th no one gets that luck... 4th implies travelling at least once usually.

We played as the away team in week one, your team plays home games at the MCG during the season, finals time is the biggest occasion of the year and your shanty town stadium is barely fit to play VFL finals at let alone AFL.

 

[Rich01]

The tigers shat the bed every time they left the mcg and faced anyone half decent.

Don’t think it would’ve magically changed if you had to play a final away from home last year.

We are talking about grand finals here.

Watching the last three live, it was obvious West Coast and Adelaide shat the bed when it came to executing the game plan that got them to the grand final in the first place. Sydney were the only team of the three that came to play.

The much heralded eagles web was non-existent and there were no leaders standing up on the day. The team went to water.

Same with the Adelaide game. Horrible execution. No leadership when the heat was on. No plan B.

 

[The Dice Man]

Love it how holding an opinion is now 'trolling'.

Your Bradbury post wasn't trolling? Its the ****ing definition of trolling. No-one fell over in front of us, we bloody knocked them aside and kicked them to the gutter.

 

[captain blood 17]

You are whining about playing an extra home game a year.

You are right in one sense

Kardinia is their home ground - either they play all finals there - or none

Not cherry picked

They don't play finals at Skilled. That's the point. The only one that was ever played there was due to ground unavailability back in 2013 or whatever it was. Do you even footy bro?


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[captain blood 17]

The Dogs winning was the stuff of fairy tales
The Tigers winning is becoming the stuff of nightmares (mainly thanks to their fans)

We're not the ones starting the troll threads shitbags.


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[captain blood 17]

The Crows has a great injury run all year? Oh really. We lost two very good starters in the finals for a start......one classified as elite by champion data and the other has elite hands and is one of the best X factor players in the comp. But do go on......

Crows are over rated. You're not that good.


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[Malifice]

Your Bradbury post wasn't trolling? Its the ******* definition of trolling. No-one fell over in front of us, we bloody knocked them aside and kicked them to the gutter.

I genuinely think to some level you (and the Dogs the year before) Bradburied it.

You were flaky all year, did enough to qualify for the finals, and then won it in the final straight when it mattered.

Thats not trolling, thats a genuine opinion.

 

[captain blood 17]

The year we were clearly the best side all year? The one where we lost 2 games all year, finished minor premiers, and were favorites to win all year and all finals.

That year?

Unsure how you can compare that to the Tigers last year, or Dogs the year before. Both sides were a bit flaky all year, before coming together to pull a great finals series out when it mattered. Neither sides were the fancies to win at any point in the year.

Like I said, that's admirable.

Instead of '95 flag, you would be better comparing it to our '99 GF appearance (we lost that one, but if we had've won it you could raise it) where we got thumped by Brisbane in the semi final by 10 goals yet still stayed in despite finishing 6th, before progressing anyway to play West Coast. Then despite it being a West coast home game, it was played the 'G. We won that game and then we took out flag favorites Essendon in the prelim by a point (who were favorites, and the best side all year).

Brisbane, West Coast and (to a lesser extent) Essendon could all feel aggrieved here.

If we had have won that flag, then I would also agree we jagged one against better opposition.

You missed the point Hasslehoff.


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[Elton Johns Wig]

I don't reckon we would have been personally. I don't think we lost games due to personal and even so I reckon we had enough out there to win games we lost. Shit happens. No guarantees missing players play well anyway.

Very un Bay like, but I'm backing you in this year. Reckon everything has lined up.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

I genuinely think to some level you (and the Dogs the year before) Bradburied it.

You were flaky all year, did enough to qualify for the finals, and then won it in the final straight when it mattered.

Thats not trolling, thats a genuine opinion.

Using the term Bradbury with that image was a 1 million percent troll. 1 million percent, and you know it. You just don't have the balls to own it.

But now you're in the bay, so go your hardest.