Moved Thread how do you rate and compare the past two premiers?

[demondavey]

Cool your jets.

You blokes we're flaky last year before getting a dream run in the finals. You got 3 x non melbourne based teams in a row, all at your home ground, making them effectively home grounds for you. You cant ask for much more than that unless you're Collingwood. Adelaide were the better team all year, but you were the better team on the day. Kudos.

I was actually barracking for you.

Still; I cant really see you blokes becoming a dominant side for the next few years like Geelong and the Hawks.

The Dogs got through their finals to win it from the bottom of the eight on grit alone (and some very favorable umpiring). Boyd played the game of his life in the GF (despite doing nothing before - or since - of note), and again they were the better side on the day. Kudos to them.

I dont see anything in either side that makes me go 'they look unbeatable'. Certainly in each sides respective premiership years neither side looked like worldbeaters, untill it eventually turned out they were.

Th Dogs dropped back down the year after winning it, and I wouldnt be surprised if the Tigers dont this year also.

You can’t post a picture of Bradbury then tell a bloke to cool his jets when he tells you to essentially get fu**** for knocking Richmond winning the flag.

You then proceed to say that they ‘got a dream run’ by playing 3 Non Melbourne Sides. We all know that’s an absolute load of bullshit. You beat who you play, and they beat who they played.

WB got favourable umpiring? Please.

Carlton Board.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Adelaide were clearly the better side last year. Run a poll if you don't believe me.

Each to their own, but I think Richmond smashing Adelaide when it really mattered is a stronger argument for being the better side then the results of a poll on Bigfooty.

 

[Lsta062]

A Premiership is a Premiership. I don't really care how we compare to other Premiers right now because we didn't need to be better than them to win the 2017 Premiership. Hawthorn 2008, Geelong 2009, Geelong 2011, Sydney 2012, Hawthorn 2014 Hawthorn 2015, Bulldogs 2016 and Richmond 2017 all got the same thing - a Premiership with no Minor Premiership.

I am content and happy with that and as far as I am concerned right now, this is how Richmond compares with past Premiers.

 

[Keilor Tiger]

Well as a biased supporter I clearly think the Tigers are rated as the better premier of the past 2 years, but as others have correctly pointed out, I think and hope that this is the start of the equalization measures.
Let’s face it, watching the same 3 or 4 teams win it every year is boring ( unless your team). By spreading the success it gives supporters of all teams hope and players changing clubs won’t just go to the so called “destination clubs” knowing that they can be premiership players at any club.
Many of us support our clubs financially and emotionally and that loyalty should allow everyone to see and celebrate their club enjoy the ultimate success. I wanted the dogs to win the 16 GF and providing my team wasn’t playing, I’d love to see saints, dees and even dockers win one.
Let’s just not wait another 37 years for our next one.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

A little like this:

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He was no oil painting was he.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Not every premiership team becomes an amazing dynasty. We've seen a few strong ones over the years but there's a reason Bulldogs and Tigers won from 15 win H&A seasons - they aren't that strong.

Equalisation is hitting the comp and the best teams aren't as far above the rest anymore. I think it would have hit earlier but GWS and Gold Coast took all the picks when they came in allowing the status quo to be maintained for longer because teams at the bottom struggled to bring in as much elite talent.

Without the fierce hunger that Tigers had in 2017 I think they will go back to the pack. Just another side vying for a spot in the 8. Just like the Bulldogs in 2017. Wouldn't be surprised if they start with a run of losses too. Their players have not had to deal with going late into the finals before. Teams will also figure them out. The no second key forward thing is just a passing trend and is not the way of the future.

Did you see us hunting in numbers in a 7 on 7 game, cant stop players chasing and tackling you. Enjoy your top heavy team and uncontested gameplan played by your bruise free wimps.

Oh by the way, 2017 was the strongest year of the 18 team era....FACT.

 

[beema limapep]

yeah but we DID win the flag.

suck eggs campaigners. let the reality burn

your team which is irrrlevant to modetn day football can only dream.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Although only a 2 year window, it reminds me of the NBA in the 1970's. (Not that I was alive to see it). Between an incredibly dominant celtics in the 60s, to a Lakers-Celtics rivalries of the 80's, you had a decade of very good teams, but no real historical standouts or dynasties.

Now each team deserve their rings, and can proudly be called champions, but are really not in the forefront of peoples minds when you think about the history of the game (maybe the Knicks teams coz it was their only titles, or the Kareem(Alcindor)-O Bucks).

These 2 flags have come in an era where we are used to some truly dominant teams (Lions, Cats, Hawks).

Without knowing what the next few years holds for each of these teams, you wonder if history will view them the same way. (Probably just like the 1990 Pies)

 

[Captain_Bender]

Mitch McGovern missed a big chunk and was lost for the prelim and GF, ..Eddie Betts appendix, Rory Sloane appendix, Josh Jenkins missed a chunk of time with a rib injury...and that’s just off the top of my head....it’s always good to do some research before posting.

Betts missed 1 game Sloane missed 1 game Jenkins missed 4 games barely a injury toll and while McGovern missed half the year I wouldn't really class him too big of a loss

 

[Captain_Bender]

You’re aware that we rested players for our dead rubber away game against West Coast?????

of your team that played in the grand final only 4 missed the round 23 game

 

[The Dice Man]

I mean that first statement is so misleading considering how much they won by in every one of those games. They didn't just win - they absolutely pummeled all 3 teams. None of them were flukes - Richmond played a high pressure game style built for finals footy, only really got smashed twice in the H/A season (note: basically every team in the top 8 got smashed multiple times), and at the end of the day winded up having the most wins in the season.

Not only that, but Richmond deliberately played in a way to counter Adelaide's gamestyle, while the Crows (reasonably) backed themselves in. It didn't work for the Crows, who had shown cracks throughout the H/A season, particularly in away games.

Along with this, when we played the teams we lost to the 2nd time round we never lost. They kept learning all year long...

Adel win by 76- return match (GF) Tigers win by 48

Freo win by 2- return match Tigers win by 104

Giants win by 3- return match Tigers win by 19 and 36 in (PF)

St.Kilda win by 67- return match Tigers win by 41

Geelong win by 14- return match Tigers win by 51 (QF)

Check out those return match wins, each time they killed the opposition. Richmond learnt alot about their losses in 2017. Remarkable really.

 

[Madtiger2006]

****

He was no oil painting was he.

Ugliest bloke on the planet award lol

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You're clutching at straws, desperately trying to justify your position. Geelong 08 were probably the hottest favorite in years - their H&A season was exceptional except for one glitch. The won 2 games by less than 10 points - both interstate. They clearly had the best talent - and there was a pretty serious gap between them and anyone else. In the 3 years 2007-2009 they won 57 H&A games. Hawthorn only won 39.

"Pressure isn’t a factor with such a big gap in ability on the field." Now who said that?

Geelong cracked under pressure in the 2008 GF. And they probably would have also cracked under pressure from the 2016 Dogs or the 2017 Tigers.

I don’t believe into the hypothetical myth of finals pressure like it’s some different world, like any home and away round, you get upsets and underdogs winning here and there, but the majority of times the best team wins. How is this any different to how it works in the home and away? It isn’t.

All we can judge on is the quality of the sides and their abilities to get an idea, and that Richmond side on paper is far less superior to all the other premiership teams we have seen for quite a while.

Great game plan and team effort defensively, but ability and quality wise; the others would have just cut through them head to head at their best.

I would say Collingwood and St Kilda from 09 and 10-11 where the kings of pressure in games, much better than Richmond as they also had a lot more talent in their sides at the same time, yet they both came runners up to Geelong. If those teams where both runners up then I doubt the pressure of Richmond would mean anything.

 

[Captain_Bender]

That’s pure opinion that Richmond were better. So many factors to be taken into account such as the draw, our injuries during that period, our training loads, etc etc.

The fact that Richmond flogged Adelaide in the grand final and were better in the lead up to finals and during the finals kinda indicates that Richmond were the better team now go post your sad little video son wont change the fact that Richmond were superior

 

[Madtiger2006]

Richmond fans triggered in 3,2,1.....

How does it feel to be 2nd best team

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think our prelim sides of 08-10 had more talent on paper than the 16 side. They didn't have the grit and determination to win at all costs though. Our year was pretty ridiculous. We had injury woes the whole season and just kept showing up determined to win with a very young list.

I think that bulldogs side was quite unlucky with its timing and who was ahead of them, with Geelong and St Kilda.

Would have backed them to easily beat Richmond and think they would have won it in 16 as well. Could be back to back premiers

 

[The Dice Man]

How does it feel to be 2nd best team

After watching the GF yesterday Im not even sure they were the 2nd best team. GWS put up a better fight.

 

[Roovolution]

So a devalued Flag from BF keyboard warriors for Tiges and yet another thread designed to bait WB and Tiger supporters.....will a flag be worth anything in the future? Wait till a real football team like Geelong Hawthorn or Collingwood win....pffft

You don’t have to read the thread or respond.

 

[Roovolution]

After watching the GF yesterday Im not even sure they were the 2nd best team. GWS put up a better fight.

And yet we smashed them #tigerlogic

 

[Roovolution]

Betts missed 1 game Sloane missed 1 game Jenkins missed 4 games barely a injury toll and while McGovern missed half the year I wouldn't really class him too big of a loss

Greenwood carried an ankle through the finals and was done by qtr time in the GF.

 

[Roovolution]

The fact that Richmond flogged Adelaide in the grand final and were better in the lead up to finals and during the finals kinda indicates that Richmond were the better team now go post your sad little video son wont change the fact that Richmond were superior

What made Richmond better ‘in the lead up to the finals’?

 

[Captain_Bender]

What made Richmond better ‘in the lead up to the finals’?

As I posted earlier won more games and had a better percentage

 

[Roovolution]

of your team that played in the grand final only 4 missed the round 23 game

“Only 4’.....those four players were key players hence they were rested. Wonder how you’d go missing 4 key players and playing a desperate West Coast team in Perth who had to win to make it to the finals?

 

[Roovolution]

As I posted earlier won more games and had a better percentage

And what rounds qualify as the ‘lead up to the finals’?

 

[Captain_Bender]

“Only 4’.....those four players were key players hence they were rested. Wonder how you’d go missing 4 key players and playing a desperate West Coast team in Perth who had to win to make it to the finals?

Otten and Greenwood barely classify as key players and when Richmond lost Jack Riewoldt who is a bigger loss than Walker we were able to cover his loss and win both games