Moved Thread how do you rate and compare the past two premiers?

[Tiger2709]

I’m not aware that they even didn’t omit the captains, but regardless I will roll with it for now. Like I said that is a fractional percentage of 1/44th of the AFL players. That sort of percentage is so irrlevant.

Most sides have a 44 squad roughly. That’s 774 players if you take out the captains who voted Richmond most likely to be the big slider of 2018.

That is overwhelmingly shockingly low levels of respect from the players for Richmond’s side.

No I am not just using players, also gill mchlachlan has made comments that insinuate Richmond and bulldogs premierships have achieved equalisation, and also the thousands of supporters oh their clubs forums on bigfooty say Richmond are shit.

The opinions are all over the place.

Players, fans, officials all don’t rate your premiership side.

I stand by what I said; to be a great side in history you actually have to beat a great side in history, Richmond beat watered down weak opposition.

Your only as good as your opposition. You need to prove you can beat a side as good as St Kilda and Collingwood was to have any claims.

We beat StKilda and Collingwood last year, your overrating the Geelong wins you were pumped up on supplements so it was easy, I cant believe you didnt have the balls to go back to back but I rather forget those tour de france years.

Richmond 5th best finals series ever says it all and no supplements in an 18 team comp, both the Dogs and Tigers were much tougher and mu h more entertaining than 07 which was the weakest and most boring GF ever.

 

[Tiger2709]

LOL @ using the captains predictions as "proof" of anything.

These same Captains last year didn't have Shitmond making the 8 but one Captain had FREO TO MAKE THE 8:
Sydney (17), GWS (16), West Coast (16), Adelaide (15), Western Bulldogs (15), Geelong (14), Hawthorn (14), St Kilda (11), Melbourne (6), Essendon (1), Fremantle (1)

Solid evidence there.

Your actually proving my point thanks.

Geelong crazy seems to rate the players as experts while I rate them as average punters who probably have less idea than you or I.

So we all agree Geelong 2007 weakest GF ever and the fools not picking Richmond b2b's, after delivering the 5th best finals.ever, are off there heads.

Close thread

 

[Tiger2709]

To further add..

So let me get this straight.

We apparently just witnessed one of the greatest sides of all time according to yourself, but the captains aren’t even picking Richmond for the flag? They are going GWS?? Lol!! And the bookies don’t even have you favourites to further add?!!! Lol lol

So let me get this straight

We apparently witnessed one of the greatest sides of all time according to yourself in 07, 09,11, but you couldn't even go b2b? !!! lol lol...(.Am I doing this teenage internet thing right not sure how many exclamation marks are required these days, only one when I went to school?)

So to end this thread on a high note, we all agree Geelong 2007 weakest ever, really your and my opinions mean nothing in comparison to the overwhelming poll results.

 

[Tiger2709]

Wow this thread has dragged on, its been a good laugh, these Geelong types are slow but funny, even fish learn to not keep taking the bait after realisng there's a rusty hook stuck in their mouth.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

We beat StKilda and Collingwood last year, your overrating the Geelong wins you were pumped up on supplements so it was easy, I cant believe you didnt have the balls to go back to back but I rather forget those tour de france years.

Richmond 5th best finals series ever says it all and no supplements in an 18 team comp, both the Dogs and Tigers were much tougher and mu h more entertaining than 07 which was the weakest and most boring GF ever.

You beat Collingwood and St Kilda last year?? What on earth are you bringing that up for??

It was the worst worst finals series in history, because the sides where so poor playing in the finals series.

The quality of the premiership team and the quality of the opposition determines if it ranks high or not.

Due to equalisation and it’s watered down effects this ranks as the worst alongside the doggies.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Wow this thread has dragged on, its been a good laugh, these Geelong types are slow but funny, even fish learn to not keep taking the bait after realisng there's a rusty hook stuck in their mouth.

You do realise that when someone starts a thread, he enjoys it staying around and growing right?? And that the thread is very anti Richmond given its topical nature

You seem to be under the idea I would want my own thread to die off or something.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So let me get this straight

We apparently witnessed one of the greatest sides of all time according to yourself in 07, 09,11, but you couldn't even go b2b? !!! lol lol...(.Am I doing this teenage internet thing right not sure how many exclamation marks are required these days, only one when I went to school?)

So to end this thread on a high note, we all agree Geelong 2007 weakest ever, really your and my opinions mean nothing in comparison to the overwhelming poll results.

B2B isn’t relevant or any of that, all that matters is how many flags you win with your group. Who cares if it’s 3 in a row or 3 in 5 years. It all adds up the same number.

3 puts you in an elite category.

No I just find it hilarious that according to you you have a team of champions down at Richmond who are fresh off their first flag and apparently the greatest finals margin of all time; yet nobody even has you as premiership favourites, the bookies don’t have you favourites, the AFL players think you will fall massively, all of bigfooty supporters run down your playing group on their own boards.

Literally the whole footy world just thinks you guys are a very average premiership team. All the evidence is there for you. I do find that hilarious.

Everything is evidence that Richmond and bulldogs are the two worst premiership teams in AFL history

 

[Tiger2709]

You do realise that when someone starts a thread, he enjoys it staying around and growing right?? And that the thread is very anti Richmond given its topical nature

You seem to be under the idea I would want my own thread to die off or something.

Well then Im glad I could help.

From what Ive seen apart from your posts its actually been positive for both Richmond and Footscray, after all we at least determined that they were far from the weakest GF teams ever, the poll just rubber stamped the obvious, Geelong 2007 is the weakest GF team ever.

 

[Tiger2709]

B2B isn’t relevant or any of that, all that matters is how many flags you win with your group. Who cares if it’s 3 in a row or 3 in 5 years. It all adds up the same number.

3 puts you in an elite category.

No I just find it hilarious that according to you you have a team of champions down at Richmond who are fresh off their first flag and apparently the greatest finals margin of all time; yet nobody even has you as premiership favourites, the bookies don’t have you favourites, the AFL players think you will fall massively, all of bigfooty supporters run down your playing group on their own boards.

Literally the whole footy world just thinks you guys are a very average premiership team. All the evidence is there for you. I do find that hilarious.

Everything is evidence that Richmond and bulldogs are the two worst premiership teams in AFL history

My turn to lol, only a Cats supporter would class winning one flag in a row as the same as winning back 2 back, really I dont know what to say, you Cats first you want to add flags won in the wild west days on a different competition to your tally now you claim a dynasty for winning 3 flags in 5 years, compare that to Richmond in 67, 69 73, 74 with a loss in 72 then many of our prem team hit bavk in 1980 then runners up again in 82...now thats a dynasty, Hawthorn 08, 13, 14, 15 again dynasty.

 

[Benny78]

So let me get this straight

We apparently witnessed one of the greatest sides of all time according to yourself in 07, 09,11, but you couldn't even go b2b? !!! lol lol...(.Am I doing this teenage internet thing right not sure how many exclamation marks are required these days, only one when I went to school?)

So to end this thread on a high note, we all agree Geelong 2007 weakest ever, really your and my opinions mean nothing in comparison to the overwhelming poll results.

b2b teams need to "make hay while the suns still shining" and generally don't last more than 2-3 years. These teams are much more common throughout history and are "shortlived" in comparison.

Being at the top for 5 years is a lot harder than being at the top for 3 years.

 

[Tiger2709]

b2b teams need to "make hay while the suns still shining" and generally don't last more than 2-3 years. These teams are much more common throughout history and are "shortlived" in comparison.

Being at the top for 5 years is a lot harder than being at the top for 3 years.

Give me a break I just showed you two real dynasties with 4 or 5 flags over a number of years both with back to back, both a lot more impressive than 3 in 5 Cats which is also no where near as good as Brisbane 3 in 3.

Its the ability to back up.after a flag that signifies truly great sides.

 

[Benny78]

Give me a break I just showed you two real dynasties with 4 or 5 flags over a number of years both with back to back, both a lot more impressive than 3 in 5 Cats which is also no where near as good as Brisbane 3 in 3.

Its the ability to back up.after a flag that signifies truly great sides.

No it's the ability to take advantage of a short term glut in the opposition.

Over more years/seasons a side is exposed to all forms and stands the test of time. Unlike the others.

3 years is an era, not long enough for a club to call itself a dynasty.

 

[Tiger2709]

No it's the ability to take advantage of a short term glut in the opposition.

Over more years/seasons a side is exposed to all forms and stands the test of time. Unlike the others.

3 years is an era, not long enough for a club to call itself a dynasty.

Richmond was up near the top for nearly 15 years winning 5 flags out of 7 GF's yet our greatness is particularly defined by our 73/74 flags, what the Cats achieved was good not great, 3 in 5 then 7 years with 3 finals wins in 10 appearances is almost embarrasinhgly mediocre.

 

[Benny78]

Richmond was up near the top for nearly 15 years winning 5 flags out of 7 GF's yet our greatness is particularly defined by our 73/74 flags, what the Cats achieved was good not great, 3 in 5 then 7 years with 3 finals wins in 10 appearances is almost embarrasinhgly mediocre.

Not in the AFL. Geelong won 6in7 in backwater leagues which outshines Richmonds 5 flags

 

[strav]

All that counts is the standard of sides in the top four/top 8.

You played average mediocre sides in the finals, not elite sides like there was previously.

Hey knob jockey, did you forget GWS has a plethora of talent gifted to them and we trashed them. They were considered elite. Adelaide were considered unbearable, we put them to the sword and never forget that during the finals series, your trashy mob were our bitches, meaning out of the three teams we played, the margin was greatest against your sooks.


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[Tiger2709]

Not in the AFL. Geelong won 6in7 in backwater leagues which outshines Richmonds 5 flags

No no it doesnt.

 

[strav]

Nah both the lists are very mediocre talent wise, just look over them compared to hawthorn Geelong and Collingwood and it’s like looking at an A list team compared to a VFL team.

The competition you played in finals where weaker sides, making the finals matches easier to win. I have already gone over the clear reasons why. Therefore we can’t call a average side who beats mediocre finals standard teams elite.

Idiotic reasoning by a disgruntled cats fan.
Keep crying, I’m enjoying this.


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[And_ROOS]

Your actually proving my point thanks.

Geelong crazy seems to rate the players as experts while I rate them as average punters who probably have less idea than you or I.

So we all agree Geelong 2007 weakest GF ever and the fools not picking Richmond b2b's, after delivering the 5th best finals.ever, are off there heads.

Close thread

Except for one problem with your theory. Experts and stats back up Geelong playing off against better competition than Richmond and being a more dominant team. I mean nice try on your behalf, but drat, that pesky thing called "facts" kills you again.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well then Im glad I could help.

From what Ive seen apart from your posts its actually been positive for both Richmond and Footscray, after all we at least determined that they were far from the weakest GF teams ever, the poll just rubber stamped the obvious, Geelong 2007 is the weakest GF team ever.

We have determined Richmond’s and bulldogs flags are the two weakest, I have provided all the proof and evidence for you.

 

[Tiger2709]

Except for one problem with your theory. Experts and stats back up Geelong playing off against better competition than Richmond and being a more dominant team. I mean nice try on your behalf, but drat, that pesky thing called "facts" kills you again.

Can you show me the history and stats that prove perrenial GF losers St Kilda and Collingwood and the biggest loser ever, Port Power of that period were better than GWS and Adelaide of 2017 they were obviuosly better than Geelong of last year as you were your usual finals failures.

Please take account in your reply for the fact Collingwood have lost in 26 GF's, StKilda couldn't win a flag in a one team comp and then you also beat the worst Grand Finalists ever in Power, if yoi had to choose teams that almost guarantee a flag win you woukd choose one of those three, wheteas we went in as massive underdogs against a strong Adelaide side and thrashed them.

A graph of some sort will do.

 

[Tiger2709]

We have determined Richmond’s and bulldogs flags are the two weakest, I have provided all the proof and evidence for you.

No we have a poll and it clearly shows Geelong as the weakest ever, the rest has just been your totally biased opinion, as per my reply to and-Roos show me this proof Ive watched footy for a long llong time and the easiest GF and most boring ever was 2007 Richmond 2017 would have comfortably beaten both Geelong and Power at the same time.

Richmond up against a super strong Adelaide and the first team to ever win a flag from 13th is obviously one of the great wins of all time as was the Dogs win from 7th which has also not been done before against Sydney a club much tougher than the Saints or Maggies.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

My turn to lol, only a Cats supporter would class winning one flag in a row as the same as winning back 2 back, really I dont know what to say, you Cats first you want to add flags won in the wild west days on a different competition to your tally now you claim a dynasty for winning 3 flags in 5 years, compare that to Richmond in 67, 69 73, 74 with a loss in 72 then many of our prem team hit bavk in 1980 then runners up again in 82...now thats a dynasty, Hawthorn 08, 13, 14, 15 again dynasty.

Nah all that matters is how many you win, not in what order. Nobody cares in what order.

Sorry I know your getting quite worked up of late in here posting like wild flowers in my thread, but I have provided all the evidence about how the football world doesn’t rate Richmond’s flag. The executives, the 774 football players who are the biggest experts in the game don’t rate your premiership team, all the supporters peacefully on their own board run down your side with the motto “if Richmond can do it we can do it”.

It’s all there for you.

Look I will go back to my original point a bit; i do give credit to Richmond, equalisation with the watering down of talent across the teams isn’t Richmond’s fault, Richmond have done the best with circumstances outside of their control and so have the doggies, I did give credit at the start of the thread to acknowledge that and congratulate them for seizing the situation.

The fact is due to the AFL changes we just simply see much weaker sides at the top now, equalisation is a very widely accepted reality b footy now, and equalisation always takes from the top to give to the bottom, that’s how it functions.

We will probably see maybe another shift in 40-50 years time if the game actually grows in these project areas of GWS and GC. For now the game has taken two steps backwards with a watered down talent pool and spending cap measures which have reduced the standards

 

[Tiger2709]

1. *
   Geelong 2007/09/11
   42 vote(s)
   82.4%
2. 
   Richmond 2017
   6 vote(s)
   11.8%
3. 
   Western bulldogs 2016
   3 vote(s)
   5.9%

Change Your Vote?

This poll was your whole argument but still only 9 people voted until Geelol were added.

I think we have a winner the people have spoken Geelol 07,09,11 were the weakest GF's ever (fair enough as you were on Danks snake oil at the time, lucky you weren't stripped of the flags like Jobe and his ill gotten Brownlow)

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No we have a poll and it clearly shows Geelong as the weakest ever, the rest has just been your totally biased opinion, as per my reply to and-Roos show me this proof Ive watched footy for a long llong time and the easiest GF and most boring ever was 2007 Richmond 2017 would have comfortably beaten both Geelong and Power at the same time.

Richmond up against a super strong Adelaide and the first team to ever win a flag from 13th is obviously one of the great wins of all time as was the Dogs win from 7th which has also not been done before against Sydney a club much tougher than the Saints or Maggies.

I have mentioned this already, the moderator Schwarz edited the poll and put it all into Geelong. I found this hilarious as another outcome changed my senior management to benefit the Richmond and bulldogs, lol.

Adelaide a strong side? Adelaide where just a decent side, no idea where you get that from, just look at them even last week against Essendon and how average they looked. Their midfield is pretty ordinary and one of the weakest I can recall for a long time playing off in a grand final.

Yes bulldogs came from 7th because of how weak the top four sides are due to equalisation measures, the top four teams before equalisation this would have never happened because they simply where too strong to lose to 7th place. Only having a weak top four system has allowed a 7th placed side to win it, this is the equalisation watered down system in full effect for you, where the top teams are much weaker and very even and similar right down to the middle of the ladder.

 

[Tiger2709]

Nah all that matters is how many you win, not in what order. Nobody cares in what order.

Sorry I know your getting quite worked up of late in here posting like wild flowers in my thread, but I have provided all the evidence about how the football world doesn’t rate Richmond’s flag. The executives, the 774 football players who are the biggest experts in the game don’t rate your premiership team, all the supporters peacefully on their own board run down your side with the motto “if Richmond can do it we can do it”.

It’s all there for you.

Look I will go back to my original point a bit; i do give credit to Richmond, equalisation with the watering down of talent across the teams isn’t Richmond’s fault, Richmond have done the best with circumstances outside of their control and so have the doggies, I did give credit at the start of the thread to acknowledge that and congratulate them for seizing the situation.

The fact is due to the AFL changes we just simply see much weaker sides at the top now, equalisation is a very widely accepted reality b footy now, and equalisation always takes from the top to give to the bottom, that’s how it functions.

We will probably see maybe another shift in 40-50 years time if the game actually grows in these project areas of GWS and GC. For now the game has taken two steps backwards with a watered down talent pool and spending cap measures which have reduced the standards

All that counts is how many you win?

Rich 11
Gee 9

Okay.