Moved Thread how do you rate and compare the past two premiers?

[Tiger2709]

6>5
16>11

I felt pity for you before now its just derision, are you trying to take the piss out of yourself?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Why do you care so much bro?

You are on a hiding to nothing. Comparing teams across years let alone decades is impossible and pointless.
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It’s impossible to compare football players and football teams?? Of cause it is possible.

Compare the quality of the best 22 and the quality of the teams you versed in the finals.

Simples, the rest is irrelevant

 

[Tiger2709]

It’s impossible to compare football players and football teams?? Of cause it is possible.

Compare the quality of the best 22 and the quality of the teams you versed in the finals.

Simples, the rest is irrelevant

What are you using to compare them, all Ive seen is your opinion and a claim that the players are experts, which I found a bloody good laugh, the only fact we have is that it is harder to make finals in an 18 team comp than a 16 team comp, therefore harder to make a GF, therefore better more difficult wins were achieved by the Dogs, Tigers and Hawks.
The rest is irrelevant really.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

What are you using to compare them, all Ive seen is your opinion and a claim that the players are experts, which I found a bloody good laugh, the only fact we have is that it is harder to make finals in an 18 team comp than a 16 team comp, therefore harder to make a GF, therefore better more difficult wins were achieved by the Dogs, Tigers and Hawks.
The rest is irrelevant really.

Mate I have posted the reasons and evidence for 60 pages now, go back over and have a read.

Of cause the players are the experts, every prominent AFL expert is a player; the media expert commentators are ex footy players, the AFL coaches are ex footy players.

This is due to their vastly superior knowledge of the game being so involved in everything football living and breathing it.

They all predicted Richmond the biggest slider for 2018. In a poll of 700 odd players.

This is very little respect and a sign they don’t rate your premiership side.

I have provided evidence reasoning with the equalisation effects and how this has created and achieved mediocracy at the top of the ladder. These are facts not opinion.

My opinion is Richmond and bulldogs are the two worst AFL premiers in history; then I supported That opinion with facts that is the effects of equalisation that supports it.

Like I said everyone else in the footballing world shares this opinion in one form or another.

 

[Tiger2709]

Mate I have posted the reasons and evidence for 60 pages now, go back over and have a read.

Of cause the players are the experts, every prominent AFL expert is a player; the media expert commentators are ex footy players, the AFL coaches are ex footy players.

This is due to their vastly superior knowledge of the game being so involved in everything football living and breathing it.

They all predicted Richmond the biggest slider for 2018. In a poll of 700 odd players.

This is very little respect and a sign they don’t rate your premiership side.

I have provided evidence reasoning with the equalisation effects and how this has created and achieved mediocracy at the top of the ladder. These are facts not opinion.

My opinion is Richmond and bulldogs are the two worst AFL premiers in history; then I supported That opinion with facts that is the effects of equalisation that supports it.

Like I said everyone else in the footballing world shares this opinion in one form or another.

You're telling me your whole thread is based on you thinking players are experts about football, they are "experts" because the AFL, Foxtel and Channel 7 like to call them experts, I hate to break it to you but they are in the main immature young men that have no more idea about who will win the next flag than you or I, one of these so called by you, expert players Treloar, thought Collingwood's list was better than Richmond's he could have a premiership medal if he was any kind of expert and thats basically who your using as your proof for gods sake.

Having said that the leaders of these players, people one would presume are the smartest and best of the players, have Richmond as equal chance with Adelaide to make the GF against a GWS that is stronger than any of the teams Geelong played back in its short lived rise to the top.

Bottom line as far as the Bay is concerned Geelong 2007 is the weakest GF ever, the people have spoken.

 

[indygo]

Nowhere near as unbearable as all the Woodwork Tigers supporters, however.

Its a kind of justice that all these expert big footy fans have voted with their hearts and souls in this thread. Thank you all. I admire your honesty. It seems fair play and sportsmanship are still the most desired trait going from this poll. Not surprisingly, the 07 09 11 flags are not rated at all and the Geelong experts/fans in this thread are not taking it very well either going from their rants.

At least this threads poll will forever tell the true story of how the experts on big footy voted against drug cheating, but more directly Geelong, and their cheating handbagging minnow culture. The numbers don't lie.

 

[frggr]

Its a kind of justice that all these expert big footy fans have voted with their hearts and souls in this thread. Thank you all. I admire your honesty. It seems fair play and sportsmanship are still the most desired trait going from this poll. Not surprisingly, the 07 09 11 flags are not rated at all and the Geelong experts/fans in this thread are not taking it very well either going from their rants.

At least this threads poll will forever tell the true story of how the experts on big footy voted against drug cheating, but more directly Geelong, and their cheating handbagging minnow culture. The numbers don't lie.

It's a shame those "experts" weren't around for FOTY voting.

Though I suppose, even for you, beating subaru is a big ask.

 

[And_ROOS]

Funny how there are only 2 conversations that do the rounds.
Who was the best between Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane.

And who will be seen as the worst in a bottom 2, Bullflogs or Shitmond.
Current running is the Bulldogs edging out the salty Richmond Triggereds but that said if they miss finals this year and go back to regular 9th spot they might be a chance.

 

[captain blood 17]

Funny how there are only 2 conversations that do the rounds.
Who was the best between Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane.

And who will be seen as the worst in a bottom 2, Bullflogs or Shitmond.
Current running is the Bulldogs edging out the salty Richmond Triggereds but that said if they miss finals this year and go back to regular 9th spot they might be a chance.

Needs to find a way to validate a Geelong win. Nice.


Sent from my iPad using righteous Bhodi manpower

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You're telling me your whole thread is based on you thinking players are experts about football, they are "experts" because the AFL, Foxtel and Channel 7 like to call them experts, I hate to break it to you but they are in the main immature young men that have no more idea about who will win the next flag than you or I, one of these so called by you, expert players Treloar, thought Collingwood's list was better than Richmond's he could have a premiership medal if he was any kind of expert and thats basically who your using as your proof for gods sake.

Having said that the leaders of these players, people one would presume are the smartest and best of the players, have Richmond as equal chance with Adelaide to make the GF against a GWS that is stronger than any of the teams Geelong played back in its short lived rise to the top.

Bottom line as far as the Bay is concerned Geelong 2007 is the weakest GF ever, the people have spoken.

No it isn’t my entire basis, I have told you over and over, for whatever reason you don’t really listen. I feel like a teacher going over the same thing to a student who struggles to retain information.

Hopefully the last time I need to repeat this;

1. Gill mchlachlan- has come out since the bulldogs and Richmond flags and declared equalisation in the AFL now showibg itself and a success, despite the previous dominance we saw from Geelong and hawthorn. He is admiring openly that before the competition was dominated by juggernaut teams that where a class above, now he is praising equalisation because we see a spread out bunch of even teams at the top. This is coming from the AFL executive himself.

The fans- all across bigfooty on their own clubs boards supporters are saying that your side was a very average playing group who won the flag, all the bottom sides are saying “if Richmond’s list could win it, so can ours”. This is a very low respect for your flag team and shows they don’t rate it at all compared to others.

The players; the biggest experts of all, the players are the ones most knowledgeable and involved with the footballing world. Every single senior and assistant coach is an ex footy player. They have the expert knowledge of the game to make these calls, and they all unanimously voted Richmond most likely to slide. They don’t rate your team at all.

The punters- have not even got rudnkbd as flag favourites. This is all the people actually getting money out there, are tipping against ridhmobd, after they are fresh off their first flag. This would never happen against a champion young side coming off its first flag.

Mate do I need go on?? So many people across different groups and vast populations don’t rate your flag. It is easily considered the worst ever alongside bulldogs.

There has never been a premiership group thought of as low as this Richmond team

 

[Tiger2709]

No it isn’t my entire basis, I have told you over and over, for whatever reason you don’t really listen. I feel like a teacher going over the same thing to a student who struggles to retain information.

Hopefully the last time I need to repeat this;

1. Gill mchlachlan- has come out since the bulldogs and Richmond flags and declared equalisation in the AFL now showibg itself and a success, despite the previous dominance we saw from Geelong and hawthorn. He is admiring openly that before the competition was dominated by juggernaut teams that where a class above, now he is praising equalisation because we see a spread out bunch of even teams at the top. This is coming from the AFL executive himself.

The fans- all across bigfooty on their own clubs boards supporters are saying that your side was a very average playing group who won the flag, all the bottom sides are saying “if Richmond’s list could win it, so can ours”. This is a very low respect for your flag team and shows they don’t rate it at all compared to others.

The players; the biggest experts of all, the players are the ones most knowledgeable and involved with the footballing world. Every single senior and assistant coach is an ex footy player. They have the expert knowledge of the game to make these calls, and they all unanimously voted Richmond most likely to slide. They don’t rate your team at all.

The punters- have not even got rudnkbd as flag favourites. This is all the people actually getting money out there, are tipping against ridhmobd, after they are fresh off their first flag. This would never happen against a champion young side coming off its first flag.

Mate do I need go on?? So many people across different groups and vast populations don’t rate your flag. It is easily considered the worst ever alongside bulldogs.

There has never been a premiership group thought of as low as this Richmond team

If you were a teacher I woukd be changing schools.

You do understand that you deliver nothing but heresay, secondhand news an BS.

Where's the proof of what you say, equalisation means all teams are more even making it more difficult to win flags than when your club had Dank on board and got lucky with the old father son rules, Geelongs recent flags were won because of oddities in the rules that have now been addressed.

Geelong 07 weakest flag ever the poll says it all and I note more and more are voting Geelong as the weakest ever, this is actual proof not your oh people on other boards say Richmonds flag is the weakest, thats not proof unless you can point me to these posts etc.

No apple for you today.

 

[indygo]

It's a shame those "experts" weren't around for FOTY voting.

Though I suppose, even for you, beating subaru is a big ask.

You were around then, you and your fellow entitled lot would have been entering stage 14 (Denial,part 13) of the grieving process [due to RFC's stunning, feel good, one for the ages, 18 team comp, most dominant finals display this century, 2017 triumph ]

I'll be honest Frog groper, I don't really believe your superior, lover and idol, Geelol_Muppet26 knows much at all about the modern, tough, honest, ultra competitive skilful equalised 18 team football that the last 2 premiers played with devastating effect and is very threatened over not only his extreme ignorance being questioned and then ridiculed, but following a minnow cheating fake Louis Vuitton dangling club that had to cheat to win flags after going 44 years without any action. Embarrassing, I know. The epitome of a minnow franchise is our Geelol.

 

[frggr]

You were around then, you and your fellow entitled lot would have been entering stage 14 (Denial,part 13) of the grieving process [due to RFC's stunning, feel good, one for the ages, 18 team comp, most dominant finals display this century, 2017 triumph ]

I'll be honest Frog groper, I don't really believe your superior, lover and idol, Geelol_Muppet26 knows much at all about the modern, tough, honest, ultra competitive skilful equalised 18 team football that the last 2 premiers played with devastating effect and is very threatened over not only his extreme ignorance being questioned and then ridiculed, but following a minnow cheating fake Louis Vuitton dangling club that had to cheat to win flags after going 44 years without any action. Embarrassing, I know. The epitome of a minnow franchise is our Geelol.

On second thought, given your inability to make sense, maybe you *are* subaru.

 

[Tiger2709]

On second thought, given your inability to make sense, maybe you *are* subaru.

It was easy to understand he said you entitled Geelol types are salty as f@ck that Richmond just played one of the most dominant finals ever.
He then went on to mention that you and Geelol_26 know nothing about modern football and you follow a cheating minnow handbag of a club.
Let me know if I left anything out.

 

[frggr]

It was easy to understand he said you entitled Geelol types are salty as f@ck that Richmond just played one of the most dominant finals ever.
He then went on to mention that you and Geelol_26 know nothing about modern football and you follow a cheating minnow handbag of a club.
Let me know if I left anything out.

Thank you for translating, Indy should realise it's rude to speak with a mouthful of goo.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

If you were a teacher I woukd be changing schools.

You do understand that you deliver nothing but heresay, secondhand news an BS.

Where's the proof of what you say, equalisation means all teams are more even making it more difficult to win flags than when your club had Dank on board and got lucky with the old father son rules, Geelongs recent flags were won because of oddities in the rules that have now been addressed.

Geelong 07 weakest flag ever the poll says it all and I note more and more are voting Geelong as the weakest ever, this is actual proof not your oh people on other boards say Richmonds flag is the weakest, thats not proof unless you can point me to these posts etc.

No apple for you today.

You do understand how equalisation works don’t you??

There are two ways;

1- it takes away from others in the competition
2- restrictions are placed to limit the top performers from excelling away.

In the AFL, we have both measures in effect. We had the exact same sized pie being cut up and each of the 16 sides given a piece. when GWS and GC came along, they each stuck their plate out and took a piece of each clubs share of the pie. Nothing new was added, only taken from what already existed.

I am purely referring to the top sides in the finals, the top sides due to equalisation are much weaker than previously due to being watered down by equalisation and spread out to make the bottom sides stronger, meaning you are facing weaker sides in September to win the flag, making it easier.

Simples! As they meerkat on tv would say.

I provided many many diverse groups ranging from AFL executives to expert footballers to general supporter groups and punters betting money. All of which classify Richmond’s premiership as mediocre. If that isn’t a big enough opinion base that considers your premiership one of the worst in history thrOugh means of running it down and disrespecting it, then I don’t know what could possibly be. It’s very clear widespread belief.

 

[frggr]

You do understand how equalisation works don’t you??

There are two ways;

1- it takes away from others in the competition
2- restrictions are placed to limit the top performers from excelling away.

In the AFL, we have both measures in effect. We had the exact same sized pie being cut up and each of the 16 sides given a piece. when GWS and GC came along, they each stuck their plate out and took a piece of each clubs share of the pie. Nothing new was added, only taken from what already existed.

I am purely referring to the top sides in the finals, the top sides due to equalisation are much weaker than previously due to being watered down by equalisation and spread out to make the bottom sides stronger, meaning you are facing weaker sides in September to win the flag, making it easier.

Simples! As they meerkat on tv would say.

I provided many many diverse groups ranging from AFL executives to expert footballers to general supporter groups and punters betting money. All of which classify Richmond’s premiership as mediocre. If that isn’t a big enough opinion base that considers your premiership one of the worst in history thrOugh means of running it down and disrespecting it, then I don’t know what could possibly be. It’s very clear widespread belief.

Admitting you're right requires them to admit their Bradbury was weak.

It's not gonna happen

 

[skipjack]

So you are saying that the 2017 Premiers would be beaten by each and every other premiership side in history?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Admitting you're right requires them to admit their Bradbury was weak.

It's not gonna happen

To be honest— I don’t even know half the time what some of these posters are on about, or if they even have the ability to interpret and respond properly to what I am saying. I am being starved a bit of any intellectual discussion here.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So you are saying that the 2017 Premiers would be beaten by each and every other premiership side in history?

In AFL history, I believe so.

Removing variables such as natural game plan progressions and natural progressions with time that occurs, as this would mean you have a situation where bulldogs premiership side is better than hawthorns and Brisbane’s triple peat because game plan evolutions Move in a progressive line always, as does available technologies always slightly improves. Consider that fact when deciding.

Simply look at two factors to decide

1. The quality of the players in the premiership team.
2. The quality of the opposition side they faced.

Can you honestly tell me, that this Richmond side is not close to the worst??

Who would you have ahead??

 

[And_ROOS]

So you are saying that the 2017 Premiers would be beaten by each and every other premiership side in history?

They wouldn't get within 5 goals of any of the Premiership teams of 2007/2009/2010/2014. Hell they wouldn't even get close to Geelong of 2008 or St Kilda of 2009.

 

[Tiger2709]

In AFL history, I believe so.

Removing variables such as natural game plan progressions and natural progressions with time that occurs, as this would mean you have a situation where bulldogs premiership side is better than hawthorns and Brisbane’s triple peat because game plan evolutions Move in a progressive line always, as does available technologies always slightly improves. Consider that fact when deciding.

Simply look at two factors to decide

1. The quality of the players in the premiership team.
2. The quality of the opposition side they faced.

Can you honestly tell me, that this Richmond side is not close to the worst??

Who would you have ahead??

The funny thing is this thread is meanigless the competition and its size and rules have all changed so comparison is near impossible and its only purpose is to help a few salty Cats supporters deal with your own clubs failure to either go b2b or to stop being everyone elses stepping stone to a flag.

Richmonds speed and pressure was never applied to those old teams of yours so you have mo idea whether any of those teams from the naughties could deal with it.

Your theories are cute but unprovable, certainly not showing anything of value in proving your point, if it helps you handbaggers feel better then all is good, when all is said and done we are still the reigning Premiers and still in the running for b2b.

 

[And_ROOS]

The funny thing is this thread is meanigless the competition and its size and rules have all changed so comparison is near impossible and its only purpose is to help a few salty Cats supporters deal with your own clubs failure to either go b2b or to stop being everyone elses stepping stone to a flag.

Richmonds speed and pressure was never applied to those old teams of yours so you have mo idea whether any of those teams from the naughties could deal with it.

Your theories are cute but unprovable, certainly not showing anything of value in proving your point, if it helps you handbaggers feel better then all is good, when all is said and done we are still the reigning Premiers and still in the running for b2b.

You mean like Collingwoods flag team of 2010, who won by applying insane forwardline pressure and by having quick transitions? Some Geelong overcame in 2011? Lol

 

[Tiger2709]

You mean like Collingwoods flag team of 2010, who won by applying insane forwardline pressure and by having quick transitions? Some Geelong overcame in 2011? Lol

Not even close to being the same as the all ground pressure Richmond applied, our runners were defending back and forward otherwise Adelaide would have been able to get it out the back and run with it, we created turn overs in the backline and in the GF we were the most manic defenders Ive ever seen including those 2010 teams.

 

[brett15]

So you are saying that the 2017 Premiers would be beaten by each and every other premiership side in history?

Yeah every side including the wooden spoonsers. All 18 teams from 2017 or 2016 would lose to every side from 2015 to 1800 according to Geelong fans