Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Magnum27]

I guess we can put to bed the feds wanted hotel quarantine now, i'm sure Labor fans will find away to spin this away from Vic government decision though.

 

[Messenger]

lol

Leigh is an equal opportunity journo in that she will hold both to account but she does have some particular views about lockdowns and her own importance.

 

[andrewmillman]

I guess we can put to bed the feds wanted hotel quarantine now, i'm sure Labor fans will find away to spin this away from Vic government decision though.

Should post this in the scomo thread, heads would explode!

 

[FRUMPY]

Dad has cancer so can't have a vaccine until his treatment is over. My family are all trying to get vaxxed to minimise chance of infecting him

Yeah fair enough, obviously helps certain people but in general I'm there is no rush and taking the spot of those who really need it I guess. Sorry to hear about your dad.

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[Magnum27]

Yeah fair enough, obviously helps certain people but in general I'm there is no rush and taking the spot of those who really need it I guess. Sorry to hear about your dad.

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My thoughts have always been let those who need it far more than me get both their doses first, my parents are elderly and had their first two weeks ago in WA, they have been told they have to wait until August now, as i just turned 50 i'm eligible, but i would much rather my share go to people vinatge of their and people with chronic health issues.

 

[Magnum27]

Should post this in the scomo thread, heads would explode!

I'm not a fan of Scomo, didn't vote for him either, can't stand the fool, we keep hearing from all quarantine is feds, they are probably right, but none of the states were prepared to give up control, as much as they would like you to believe differently. Some states used the keeping you Covid safe as the main part of their re election campaign- NT,WA,QLD and TAS, could not do that with feds in charge. It's clear most states have managed it better than the current government here.

All the states had to do was call Scomo out on his reluctance in public to run it back in March 2020 and he would have shat his pants, he would not have liked the negative publicity, he thrives on looking good and all his slogans and would have back tracked at a rate of knots and taken it on, but states wanted to control it themselves to look good, when it's gone to shit they want to blame someone else.

 

[Doss]

I'm not a fan of Scomo, didn't vote for him either, can't stand the fool, we keep hearing from all quarantine is feds, they are probably right, but none of the states were prepared to give up control, as much as they would like you to believe differently. Some states used the keeping you Covid safe as the main part of their re election campaign- NT,WA,QLD and TAS, could not do that with feds in charge. It's clear most states have managed it better than the current government here.

All the states had to do was call Scomo out non his reluctance in public to run it back in March 2020 and he would have shat his pants, he would not have liked the negative publicity, he thrives on looking good and all his slogans and would have back tracked at a rate of knots and taken it on, but states wanted to control it themselves to look good, when it's gone to sh*t they want to blame someone else.

I don't think millman was expecting that response tbh.

 

[Magnum27]

I don't think millman was expecting that response tbh.

No most on here no my disdain for politicians full stop, i'm happy to call out any that i think are pathetic from either party.

And i certainly don't follow Tim Smith, someone i follow re tweeted it. He is the aussie version of Trump.

 

[Hornberger]

Leigh is an equal opportunity journo in that she will hold both to account but she does have some particular views about lockdowns and her own importance.

This is what it boils down too. She was personally affect by the February lockdown, and she took her anger out at the conference in a completely unprofessional manner.

 

[eddiesmith]

I'm not a fan of Scomo, didn't vote for him either, can't stand the fool, we keep hearing from all quarantine is feds, they are probably right, but none of the states were prepared to give up control, as much as they would like you to believe differently. Some states used the keeping you Covid safe as the main part of their re election campaign- NT,WA,QLD and TAS, could not do that with feds in charge. It's clear most states have managed it better than the current government here.

All the states had to do was call Scomo out non his reluctance in public to run it back in March 2020 and he would have shat his pants, he would not have liked the negative publicity, he thrives on looking good and all his slogans and would have back tracked at a rate of knots and taken it on, but states wanted to control it themselves to look good, when it's gone to sh*t they want to blame someone else.

Thats what I’ve always laughed at, the states wanted and supported hotel quarantine when it was announced and the logistical challenges and expertise are found in existing state systems. Yet as soon as it went bad they wanted to blame the Federal government.

If they wanted the Feds to run it then March last year was the time, but the governments up for election saw the benefits of doing it themselves.

Even Victoria’s proposed new facility is done with the plan the state will run. The states aren’t exactly rushing to give up control, even with all the issues. They just want someone else to pay..

 

[cartwright]

I guess we can put to bed the feds wanted hotel quarantine now, i'm sure Labor fans will find away to spin this away from Vic government decision though.

Hahah. No, feds wanted people to go home and isolate. They had no plan.

p.s I wouldn’t rely on Tim smith to for any argument.

 

[Magnum27]

Hahah. No, feds wanted people to go home and isolate. They had no plan.

p.s I wouldn’t rely on Tim smith to for any argument. Even O’Brien is smart enough to not listen to Tim.

So the testimony by Dan is fake ?, regardless of what the feds would have offered the states wanted to control this themselves for reasons i have already posted.

 

[cartwright]

So the testimony by Dan is fake ?

perhaps start with context of the comment and what the Liberals plan was.

and then, when you have that info, tell us what their plan has been since say…. June 2020.

 

[William Wonka]

Hahah. No, feds wanted people to go home and isolate. They had no plan.

This.
Hotel quarantine was the alternative to having people supposedly quarantining at home while they nipped out for beers/bongs/bread.

It was the best immediate option as there was no other but **** me dead the feds have had over a year now.
China would have had it built in a week.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

perhaps start with context of the comment and what the Liberals plan was.

and then, when you have that info, tell us what their plan has been since say…. June 2020.

The Lib plan was to pull a trump

 

[Magnum27]

perhaps start with context of the comment and what the Liberals plan was.

and then, when you have that info, tell us what their plan has been since say…. June 2020.

You are correct we don't know their plan although given what has happened in NSW you would assume it is similar, we can only comment though on what Labor have done as they are the ones in charge, and it has been terrible, you cannot sugar coat where we are in Vic fourth lockdown and the damage done will be felt for a long time, not just the now, all the money they have had to spend to fix the **** ups will have to be got back somehow.

 

[cartwright]

You are correct we don't know their plan although given what has happened in NSW you would assume it is similar, we can only comment though on what Labor have done as they are the ones in charge, and it has been terrible, you cannot sugar coat where we are in Vic fourth lockdown and the damage done will be felt for a long time, not just the now, all the money they have had to spend to fix the fu** ups will have to be got back somehow.

We don’t know their plan, because they don’t have one. They never did.

 

[Bombermania]

Thats what I’ve always laughed at, the states wanted and supported hotel quarantine when it was announced and the logistical challenges and expertise are found in existing state systems. Yet as soon as it went bad they wanted to blame the Federal government.

If they wanted the Feds to run it then March last year was the time, but the governments up for election saw the benefits of doing it themselves.

Even Victoria’s proposed new facility is done with the plan the state will run. The states aren’t exactly rushing to give up control, even with all the issues. They just want someone else to pay..

The states are responsible for running the health system and health response to a pandemic. The Feds cannot use that to hide from their responsibilities.

 

[Magnum27]

We don’t know their plan, because they don’t have one. They never did.

Regardless of what they had or didn't have, my point still is the states wanted to control this, it has been pretty clear that is the case when you look at national cabinet, nothing the feds have wanted to implement has been accepted by the states and they have all done their own thing. And we know Scomo does not want to make decisions that make him look unpopular, so he is always going to let the states go with what they want, but the states cannot hide behind blaming the feds when they were never interested in anything other than controlling this themselves.

 

[cartwright]

Regardless of what they had or didn't have, my point still is the states wanted to control, this, it has been pretty clear that is the case when you look at national cabinet, nothing the feds have wanted to implement has been accepted by the states and they have all done their own thing.

sigh. They wanted people to go home. That’s it.
The states could see the issues from that a mile away.

what did the feds raise at national cabinet that the states didn’t want to implement?

 

[Magnum27]

sigh. They wanted people to go home. That’s it.
The states could see the issues from that a mile away.

what did the feds raise at national cabinet that the states didn’t want to implement?

The re opening up for one in stages, states said nope we will do it on our own, federal cabinet was a waste of time, the states never wanted the feds to control it, especially WA, QLD, NT and TAS, their whole election campaign was based on how they kept everyone safe, do you think they could have done that with the feds running the show ?, no way McGowan or Anna would have given up control, they played the covid card all through his election campaign.

Look at the Vic gov now, they want the federal built facility here in Mickleham, but they want to run it themselves using fed money, don't want the feds involved in it.

 

[Bombermania]

The re opening up for one in stages, states said nope we will do it on our own, federal cabinet was a waste of time, the states never wanted the feds to control it, especially WA, QLD, NT and TAS, their whole election campaign was based on how they kept everyone safe, do you think they could have done that with the feds running the show ?, no way McGowan would have given up control, he played the covid card all through his election campaign.

Look at the Vic gov now, they want the federal built facility here in Mickleham, but they want to run it themselves using fed money.

This is where the federation system can throw people but the states are responsible for the health response to a pandemic so yes the Feds should put up a quarantine facility and the Feds uses Commonwealth land for Immigration Centres.

Another problem is the Federal Budget has more ability to fund it than the states do.

 

[Magnum27]

This is where the federation system can throw people but the states are responsible for the health response to a pandemic so yes the Feds should put up a quarantine facility and the Feds uses Commonwealth land for Immigration Centres.

Another problem is the Federal Budget has more ability to fund it than the states do.

So i guess we can agree the feds were useless, and in that theory hotel quarantine is a clear fail, which as the video i posted shows was the idea of the Vic gov, so they clearly were out of their depth as well, given the system that is so useless and should never have been used was their idea, and i'll still maintain if the states had called Scomo on it he would have shit himself, he only wants the good news stories going his way, but the states all had their own agendas as well with why they ran with it.

 

[Bombermania]

So i guess we can agree the feds were useless, and in that theory hotel quarantine is a clear fail, which as the video i posted shows was the idea of the Vic gov, so they clearly were out of their depth as well, given the system that is so useless and should never have been used was their idea, and i'll still maintain if the states had called Scomo on it he would have sh*t himself, he only wants the good news stories going his way, but the states all had their own agendas as well with why they ran with it.

There was probably a role for hotel quarantine but not in the way they used it.

It might have worked better if after a person had spent their two weeks in quarantine then go to a hotel for a few extra days while they take a final round of tests to make sure they were cleared. The other problem is the hotels were within CBD's which has meant there hasn't been a real barrier between people inside and the outside world.

 

[eddiesmith]

So i guess we can agree the feds were useless, and in that theory hotel quarantine is a clear fail, which as the video i posted shows was the idea of the Vic gov, so they clearly were out of their depth as well, given the system that is so useless and should never have been used was their idea, and i'll still maintain if the states had called Scomo on it he would have sh*t himself, he only wants the good news stories going his way, but the states all had their own agendas as well with why they ran with it.

The way I saw it from the differing testimony was the federal CMO at the time brought the idea from their health committee meeting to quarantine people not at home anymore and Dan said why not use hotels? Mainly as the State government already had hotels booked for use by frontline workers.