Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

[Chief]

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Millky95]

They show you your number multiple times to double check during the testing process. In the online version, you enter it yourself.

Carol's the type of moron this system has to account for.

Andrews' socialist society is clearly responsible for Carol giving the wrong number

/s

 

[Doss]

****ing knew it. You can never trust a Carol.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

******* knew it. You can never trust a Carol.

Carol's are the weagles version of an Essington Karen

 

[MarcMaverick]

Had a real bitch of an art teacher in HS called Carol. Plausible it could be something in the name.

 

[Connoisseur]

KK, Do nothing Napthine are two recent ones.

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I prefer 'do nothing' Premiers compared to those that do nothing but get Victoria (and future generations) heavily into debt with projects that end up costing 5 times what they were originally estimated to cost (lining the pockets of Union members in the process, thereby increasing Labor's voting numbers) and only necessary because of the heavily reliance of imported cheap menial labour from India and the Philippines that has increased Melbourne's ponzi population scheme by more than 1 million in the last 10 years in order to maintain the economy 'growing'. But in reality it is a mirage that will inevitably come to an end sooner or later.

These sorts of projects wouldn't be necessary if Melbourne didn't have such a massive surge in population of questionable worth (most recent migrants are menial blue collar workers not doctors, engineers and the like) that mainly benefits the rich and comes at the expense of the less well off.

 

[Evolved1]

Carol's are the weagles version of an Richmond Karen

EFA.

 

[Evolved1]

For what it's worth, my friend had a test on new years eve and the text was identical to the golfer.View attachment 1146131

I received the same wording by sms for a test done a week ago.

 

[Fire]

(most recent migrants are menial blue collar workers not doctors, engineers and the like)

Link?

 

[Crankyhawk]

From the publicly available data from Nextstrain, it has been detected in Victoria, NSW, Western Australia, Queensland, the Northern Territory and New Zealand.

Genomics are at https://nextstrain.org/ncov/oceania?c=pango_lineage&d=tree,entropy,frequencies&p=full

The area highlighted in the red rectangle is 1.671.2 (the Delta variant) while the area in blue is 1.671.1 (Kappa variant predominant in Melbourne).


View attachment 1146329
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All the large orange dots are 1.671.2

so from that (if I am reading correct) the candidates are a vic HQ person (19/5/21 +ve), a NSW HQ person (23/5/21)
I'm thinking the vic and it got onto a HQ worker who the asymptomatically passed it on.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

EFA.

LIES!!! Richmond has Shazza's

 

[Doss]

LIES!!! Richmond has Shazza's

VB Longnecks and Reiwoldt (not Riewoldt) Groupies I hear too.

 

[knife]

so from that (if I am reading correct) the candidates are a vic HQ person (19/5/21 +ve), a NSW HQ person (23/5/21)
I'm thinking the vic and it got onto a HQ worker who the asymptomatically passed it on.

I'm not so sure on that, as the test results would probably come in on their initial entry into the hotel or after 10 days in hotel quarantine. In both cases any positive result would probably mean they'd stay in the hotel for an extended period, or until it's believed they're no longer infectious.

Most states have said they don't have a genomically linked case between these 4 cases in Victoria and samples they've taken from guests in the hotels. It'd be highly likely we'd see some sort of link they can find through the genome sequencing, but so far we don't know of it. With that said not all samples are at a good enough standard to pass quality control to show a potential link.

This suggests that if it was from a hotel guest, that they were carrying an infection from prior to day 2 of their hotel stay, and it was after day 10 before they became infectious. A lot of states do follow up testing, so it's a lot of hoops to go through and escape detection.

It could be from another source, a dock/airport worker, someone from New Zealand, a Diplomat or someone else with an exemption. It could be someone working in a hotel, but again most hotel workers are tested multiple times a week, so avoiding detection is much harder.

This looks to be the second mystery case of this variant in a month (BBQ man and his wife being the other, but it hasn't spread like wildfire). Could it be a longer incubation period and very short infectiousness period? I don't know but it's very strange.

Finally that genomic map is a sub-sample, so not all cases will be shown publicly. One article today said they have 108 samples from Australians with the 1.671.2 virus from hotel quarantine.

 

[tandino]

Is enough known to rule out the BBQ Man as the source of this new variant?

 

[andrewmillman]

Is enough known to rule out the BBQ Man as the source of this new variant?

I love that, in the covid era, we as a country are at the point where "bbq man" is a recognised phrase.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Is enough known to rule out the BBQ Man as the source of this new variant?

I've had flu all week, so I've been out of the loop on all of this. Quick google showed a couple of possible issues:

1) missing link

Twist as Sydney’s ‘BBQ man’ identified

The Sydney COVID-19 patient dubbed “BBQ Man” after he visited an extensive list of BBQ stores while infectious has been named, finally providing an explanation for his shopping spree.

www.news.com.au

Not sure what happened after this article, but when this was published the link between bbq dude and the USA returned traveller was still unknown. Did they track this peep down?

2) Apollo Global Management

https://www.pokies.com/2021/05/09/apollo-global-management-offers-4-billion-for-tabcorp-businesses/

No idea what projects bbq dude may have been involved in, but Apollo is involved in the Tabcorp sale. For this to be a factor you'd be looking at a work colleague being neg tested, and asymptomatic when they got it.

 

[tandino]

I love that, in the covid era, we as a country are at the point where "bbq man" is a recognised phrase.

That did cross my mind. But there's no doubt it works

 

[tandino]

I've had flu all week, so I've been out of the loop on all of this. Quick google showed a couple of possible issues:

1) missing link

Twist as Sydney’s ‘BBQ man’ identified

The Sydney COVID-19 patient dubbed “BBQ Man” after he visited an extensive list of BBQ stores while infectious has been named, finally providing an explanation for his shopping spree.

www.news.com.au

Not sure what happened after this article, but when this was published the link between bbq dude and the USA returned traveller was still unknown. Did they track this peep down?

2) Apollo Global Management

https://www.pokies.com/2021/05/09/apollo-global-management-offers-4-billion-for-tabcorp-businesses/

No idea what projects bbq dude may have been involved in, but Apollo is involved in the Tabcorp sale. For this to be a factor you'd be looking at a work colleague being neg tested, and asymptomatic when they got it.

I was thinking more he passed it on to someone that he would not be expected to pass it on to. I'd assume that his work colleagues would be all tested and tested again.

 

[Doss]

I love that, in the covid era, we as a country are at the point where "bbq man" is a recognised phrase.

And it has nothing to do with any ability he may or may not possess at nailing the perfect piece of scotch fillet.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I was thinking more he passed it on to someone that he would not be expected to pass it on to. I'd assume that his work colleagues would be all tested and tested again.

tend to agree - only mentioned it in case its a Wollert scenario (person got infected just before testing, so they tested negative)

the odd bit is if it was an obvious one, you'd expect some genomic testing of recent samples to point to a direction (as happened with most the other leakages - the HQ origin was usually found quick, it was how it leaked that took time), but this appears to be the only case, and it was a month ago for a man a world away from a kid going to North Melbourne Primary School

for it to be legit, you'd be guessing at least a couple of people have brought it down to that link, and have avoided testing to date (either because they dont want to or my symptoms).

tell you one thing though, if that plays out it just shows how ****ed victorias luck is right now

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I was thinking more he passed it on to someone that he would not be expected to pass it on to. I'd assume that his work colleagues would be all tested and tested again.

looks like we can scrub bbq boy, just found this from todays news (again sorry if already posted, im 48-72hrs behind on some stuff):

“We know this family travelled to Jervis Bay, and we are examining who is the likely index case in this family, and therefore trying to trace back where this variant has been picked up,” Professor Sutton said.

“We’re working with our NSW, ACT and Commonwealth counterparts in that regard.”

Last month, a couple from Sydney’s eastern suburbs tested positive to the Delta variant. However there is no genomic link between the cases.
“Investigations to date, including genomic sequencing, have not identified any links to previous known cases in NSW,” a ministry spokesperson said. “Investigations are ongoing.”

NSW COVID: Melbourne Delta variant infections in Jervis Bay not linked to any known cases (smh.com.au)

 

[Magnum27]

Even if it is this new delta strain, it does not to have seem to have spread like wildfire in Sydney, BBQ man visited many places well over a month ago, and nothing blew up in Sydney at any point, is it as dangerous as they want you to believe.

 

[Doss]

Even if it is this new delta strain, it does not to have seem to have spread like wildfire in Sydney, BBQ man visited many places well over a month ago, and nothing blew up in Sydney at any point, is it as dangerous as they want you to believe.

Or, you know, as dangerous as the current situation in India or the recent increase in UK cases indicates. It’s been identified as variant of global concern, unlike the Kappa one.

Look, I don’t like to be beholden to endless fear mongering but equally, this endless ‘THEY!!!’ thing is tiresome.

 

[Magnum27]

Or, you know, as dangerous as the current situation in India or the recent increase in UK cases indicates. It’s been identified as variant of global concern, unlike the Kappa one.

Look, I don’t like to be beholden to endless fear mongering but equally, this endless ‘THEY!!!’ thing is tiresome.

Well why didn't it go off in Sydney then, they must be the luckiest place around, it never seems to get out of control, compared to any where else in the world.

And i'm not trying to be sarcastic here, genuine question , how do they manage to not have mass blow ups like the rest of the world.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Even if it is this new delta strain, it does not to have seem to have spread like wildfire in Sydney, BBQ man visited many places well over a month ago, and nothing blew up in Sydney at any point, is it as dangerous as they want you to believe.

until we know how they got it, that sort of conclusion is massively premature

the family were on a camping holiday, which is why NSW isnt too worried about them infecting many people themselves - as they were in contact with so few. same would probably apply to whoever infected them. remember even more sydney people have left for the nsw counry than melbournians have for the vic country

more importantly, it was said yesterday that the delta these cases have doesnt genetically match the bbq boy strain. in my very uneducated (not a scientist) and very uninformed (flu all week, try reading news with a fever ) opinion, im guessing we are dealing with one of the following:

1) botched genetic testing on HQ (hopefully VIC/SA/NSW are rerunning tests on all samples - this is a rare situation, but its possible a sample was mixed up or something like that)

2) someone in HQ who wasnt genetically traced (i thought they all were, but read somewhere some cases are not)

3) someone who wasnt tested (I know they have shut most of these options, so massive long shot, but merchant sailors, aircrews, private cruising yacht/vessel)

off memory this is the first time we have a strain that we havent seen in HQ (happy to be corrected)

 

[Doss]

Well why didn't it go off in Sydney then, they must be the luckiest place around, it never seems to get out of control, compared to any where else in the world.

Like much of what happens with Covid, probably luck. Sometimes it’s bad, and sometimes it’s good.