Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[Magnum27]

Like much of what happens with Covid, probably luck. Sometimes it’s bad, and sometimes it’s good.

Fair enough, it's just crazy to think a city like Sydney can be so lucky, they have not had any mass out breaks like other places in the world consistently.

 

[Magnum27]

until we know how they got it, that sort of conclusion is massively premature

the family were on a camping holiday, which is why NSW isnt too worried about them infecting many people themselves - as they were in contact with so few. same would probably apply to whoever infected them. remember even more sydney people have left for the nsw counry than melbournians have for the vic country

more importantly, it was said yesterday that the delta these cases have doesnt genetically match the bbq boy strain. in my very uneducated (not a scientist) and very uninformed (flu all week, try reading news with a fever ) opinion, im guessing we are dealing with one of the following:

1) botched genetic testing on HQ (hopefully VIC/SA/NSW are rerunning tests on all samples - this is a rare situation, but its possible a sample was mixed up or something like that)

2) someone in HQ who wasnt genetically traced (i thought they all were, but read somewhere some cases are not)

3) someone who wasnt tested (I know they have shut most of these options, so massive long shot, but merchant sailors, aircrews, private cruising yacht/vessel)

off memory this is the first time we have a strain that we havent seen in HQ (happy to be corrected)

Cheers mate, the science stuff is way out of my knowledge, and it is good that people on here can explain it in simple terms.

As i said to Doss when he talks about luck, i find it staggering that when these variants get out in the world, not just here in Australia ( not trying to be smart ass and sarcastic) it goes like wildfire, yet in Sydney it does not, how the **** can one place be so lucky, you would think it would at least once cause them some sort of grief.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Fair enough, it's just crazy to think a city like Sydney can be so lucky, they have not had any mass out breaks like other places in the world consistently.

dont say that - it puts bad juju out there

remember only a month ago people were saying Taiwan was a miracle, and Singapore had beaten it completely

Cambodia copped an massive outbreak due to asymptomatic chinese tourists who bribed their way past quarantine (rich flogs on a private plane). Thailand also copped a massive outbreak when idiots swam across the river from Malaysia to go to a buddhist temple and hook up with mates at a pub.

it only takes a few stupid people in the wrong spot at the wrong time, and everything can go pear shaped

For Sydney's sake, dont say they have this licked until this is dusted

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Cheers mate, the science stuff is way out of my knowledge, and it is good that people on here can explain it in simple terms.

As i said to Doss when he talks about luck, i find it staggering that when these variants get out in the world, not just here in Australia ( not trying to be smart ass and sarcastic) it goes like wildfire, yet in Sydney it does not, how the fu** can one place be so lucky, you would think it would at least once cause them some sort of grief.

one thing to remember is contract tracing does not stop infections. its chases them down, so you are always behind it. The idea with contract tracing is to get close enough to the point of infection that you can throw some kind of restriction ahead of it.

Sydney were massively lucky with crossroads. it was moving slowly enough that this worked, and no punters were running all over sydney who got infected. northern beaches was a godsend (perfect place for an outbreak to occur because they joint is so insular).

Melbourne had two hamstrings. Our 2020 contract tracing issues meant catching the infection was more difficult. The bigger issue (IMUO) however was the following:

1) we kept being infected in areas of high population mobility (except black rock, which got smacked down incredibly quickly). We seem to always be hit in the northern and western suburbs, and with people who are in mobile jobs (second one was the security and aged care staff working multiple gigs, this one was the food courier who went all over melbourne)

2) the above meant our postcode lockdown around the towers was an epic fail. the essential worker exemptions made it useless, because too many people in those buildings do the low paying gigs that are deemed essential jobs (drivers, meat works, cleaners, carers, etc)

3) lying ****ing campaigners. i genuinely have lost track how many times contract tracers in vic have been ****ed over by infected pieces of shit. in the second run we had all those arseholes who outright lied about where they went. This time we had the campaigner who was infected for a week, had symptoms for a week, but did jack shit about it. I always thought sydney was the me-me-me-me-me capital of australia, but some of these pricks make me afraid Melbourne wants that mantle

 

[Ned_Flanders]

also a special **** you to the melbourne employers who have refused staff time off shifts to go and get tested. We know this resulted in infected people working (and spreading this shit) during round 2. Heard of at least one more case this time (dont know how they ultimately tested).

IMO any employer who refuses to allow a staffer to have time off for a test, or threatens their job if they skip a shift for a test should be copping a massive fine

 

[HairyO]

If beast was the other one what is the term for this one?

Given the state of Victoria, something Orwellian like Double Plus Beast.

 

[HairyO]

also a special fu** you to the melbourne employers who have refused staff time off shifts to go and get tested. We know this resulted in infected people working (and spreading this sh*t) during round 2. Heard of at least one more case this time (dont know how they ultimately tested).

IMO any employer who refuses to allow a staffer to have time off for a test, or threatens their job if they skip a shift for a test should be copping a massive fine

Seriously?

Goverments have had 14 months to pass laws to enshrine this protection.

Its one thing to make them use a sick day but to sack someone getting a test?

Do you have examples ?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Seriously?

Goverments have had 14 months to pass laws to enshrine this protection.

Its one thing to make them use a sick day but to sack someone getting a test?

Do you have examples ?

there are laws, but the main victims are the "indi contractors"

off mem the round 2 firms who did it were some of the dodgy meat works and aged care places (big shock)

the one i know of this time I know via facebook (so id prefer not to dox myself), takeaway joint worker told to get tested in their own time (people told them to go to workcover and report)

 

[eddiesmith]

Cheers mate, the science stuff is way out of my knowledge, and it is good that people on here can explain it in simple terms.

As i said to Doss when he talks about luck, i find it staggering that when these variants get out in the world, not just here in Australia ( not trying to be smart ass and sarcastic) it goes like wildfire, yet in Sydney it does not, how the fu** can one place be so lucky, you would think it would at least once cause them some sort of grief.

It hasn’t spread like wildfire anywhere in Australia outside Melbourne. Even then, Melbourne’s last 2 outbreaks are made to look worse by unnecessary lockdowns and government hyperbole.

Let’s not forget they said the same stuff about the Valentine’s Day lockdown that it was moving at warp speed, like we’ve never seen before etc and yet it never spread beyond close family contacts. It didn’t even spread to co workers!!!

 

[FRUMPY]

there are laws, but the main victims are the "indi contractors"

off mem the round 2 firms who did it were some of the dodgy meat works and aged care places (big shock)

the one i know of this time I know via facebook (so id prefer not to dox myself), takeaway joint worker told to get tested in their own time (people told them to go to workcover and report)

Why are they at work if they need to get tested? If you're not at work, call in sick - if you get fired then report them.....

But instead they go to work? I can see why we are in lockdown

It's more likely they are getting paid in cash and won't report if they get fired.....

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[Ned_Flanders]

Why are they at work if they need to get tested? If you're not at work, call in sick - if you get fired then report them.....

But instead they go to work? I can see why we are in lockdown

It's more likely they are getting paid in cash and won't report if they get fired.....

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Indi contractors get told no show you lose your gig. The culture was you work no matter what.

It's one reason I loathe some of these places

*edit - and the cashy factor is definitely an issue too with this lot (a lot get paid cash for working illegal overtime or multi venues against the rules)

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Does anybody seriously believe this lockdown will end in a week?

 

[Magnum27]

Does anybody seriously believe this lockdown will end in a week?

Nope, i was always of the belief it was going past the long weekend. And given Sutton has said zero is the answer we have no chance.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Well why didn't it go off in Sydney then, they must be the luckiest place around, it never seems to get out of control, compared to any where else in the world.

And i'm not trying to be sarcastic here, genuine question , how do they manage to not have mass blow ups like the rest of the world.

It's got to be something to do with population density, mobility, personal habits, air cleanliness, climate, "nanny state" regulation systems, or possibly other factors that no one's thought of, that might be quite simple. Plus our contact tracing works because we are only tracking a few cases at a time. It's impossible in USA, Italy, India etc. and can nip it in the bud, hence lockdowns to stop people moving around spreading it inadvertently while the CTs try to track everyone.

 

[Millky95]

Does anybody seriously believe this lockdown will end in a week?

From next Friday it'll be eased to like 25km, a few more workers can go back and outside dining/coffees

 

[FRUMPY]

From next Friday it'll be eased to like 25km, a few more workers can go back and outside dining/coffees

then they'll let some other campaigner into the country who can spread it again

 

[Millky95]

then they'll let some other campaigner into the country who can spread it again

That new facility can't get built fast enough imo

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I think if Mathew Guy was in charge we would be in serious trouble.
I'm glad that goose faded into obscurity.

 

[FRUMPY]

That new facility can't get built fast enough imo

is it really going to change anything? Hotel or new facility, same problems will occur

 

[Magnum27]

then they'll let some other campaigner into the country who can spread it again

Yeh this is my issue, going for zero is not realistic if we are going to keep bringing the virus in, people can deny it all they like, lock downs are a part of our life now, the government here no longer trusts them self that they can manage an out break, every new virus is super contagious and dangerous, yet none of the outbreaks get even close to what we had last year, you would think given what the health people say we would be seeing hundreds catching this super infectious disease, even if they are in iso and lock downed, even more so when the carriers were at AFL games, bars/nightclubs.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Does anybody seriously believe this lockdown will end in a week?

I think schools will go back and entertainment and fitness facilities will open back up with strict number/capacity restrictions, masks on all the time etc.

 

[Millky95]

is it really going to change anything? Hotel or new facility, same problems will occur

There is a similar facility in the NT. There have been 0 leaks iirc from there compared to the 21 leaks in HQ.

So yes, I think it will change. The SA guy goes to a purpose built facility and he doesn't catch COVID trying to leave

 

[Millky95]

I think schools will go back and entertainment and fitness facilities will open back up with strict number/capacity restrictions, masks on all the time etc.

I work in entertainment venues. We won't open

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

It's got to be something to do with population density, mobility, personal habits, air cleanliness, climate, "nanny state" regulation systems, or possibly other factors that no one's thought of, that might be quite simple. Plus our contact tracing works because we are only tracking a few cases at a time. It's impossible in USA, Italy, India etc. and can nip it in the bud, hence lockdowns to stop people moving around spreading it inadvertently while the CTs try to track everyone.

Covid looks at Sydney on a map and goes **** this shit while it loves beautiful and humble grid of melbourne

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Andrews should sue Peter Credlun , Rita Panehy, Andrew Bolt and Sky 'news' for defamation and slander.
It has been a disgusting display of partisan political point scoring and I don't even vote Labor.
These sky news sycophants do it all for money.
Ratings aren't a concern for sky news, Murdoch is pouring money into wages for these far right wing jerks for his own agenda, which is to open up and let workers get covid so he can maintain his profits.
The 'put your boots out the front of your house' to protest Andrews was truly disgusting.
These parasites are on $500,000 a year at least.