Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[Frank Bunn]

It's the same out my way

Any Bacchus Marsh/Ballarat train after 3 is chokers

Rarely get a seat getting on at Footscray

It's pretty bad now but will only get worse. There's still a massive amount of new development happening in the west of Melbourne. It's a consequence of record immigration to Melbourne. It significantly degrades our quality of life yet it is never an election issue.

 

[go you pups]

It's pretty bad now but will only get worse. There's still a massive amount of new development happening in the west of Melbourne. It's a consequence of record immigration to Melbourne. It significantly degrades our quality of life yet it is never an election issue.

They're not boat people, so they're Aok

 

[Frank Bunn]

They're not boat people, so they're Aok

The boat people thing was just a distraction from the high number of legal immigrants.

 

[Fire]

Metro 2 won’t be completed until 2060. Well all be gone by then.

Thats far from locked in one way or the other lol.

I'll be in my 70s if it all goes well, so don't go talking on my behalf please >.>

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Shut this place down.

Two staff linked to safe injecting room arrested over drug trafficking

Two outreach workers linked to Melbourne's controversial safe injecting room have been arrested over drug trafficking.

www.theage.com.au

Adz, care to comment on the disastrous attempt at bus privatisation in NSW, or the abuses and assault happening under Gladys's tough on crime youth drugs policy?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Thats far from locked in one way or the other lol.

I'll be in my 70s if it all goes well, so don't go talking on my behalf please >.>

Good chance Metro 2 happens a long, long time before then.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

It's pretty bad now but will only get worse. There's still a massive amount of new development happening in the west of Melbourne. It's a consequence of record immigration to Melbourne. It significantly degrades our quality of life yet it is never an election issue.

Well that's because the state government doesn't control migration.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Can't be too bad if Federal and State governments are copying Victoria's Agricultural plan for tackling climate change.

Agriculture ministers back national plan to address impact of climate change

Agriculture ministers back national plan to address impact of climate change

Federal, state and territory ministers agreed to meet twice a year and adopt Victorian plan to improve adaptations to agriculture

www.theguardian.com

 

[Frank Bunn]

Well that's because the state government doesn't control migration.

Given that Melbourne's population has grown at record levels which is degrading our quality of life - the state parties could hold an opinion on it, and influence migration. But they don't because high migration allows them to claim economic growth, and balance their budget, even though GDP per person, the real indicator of rising living standards is stagnant. Growth also allows them to build infrastructure which makes it appear that they are 'doing something'.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Given that Melbourne's population has grown at record levels which is degrading our quality of life - the state parties could hold an opinion on it, and influence migration. But they don't because high migration allows them to claim economic growth, and balance their budget, even though GDP per person, the real indicator of rising living standards is stagnant. Growth also allows them to build infrastructure which makes it appear that they are 'doing something'.

That's not exclusive to Victoria though. Federal and state economies have become a ponzi scheme.

But migration isn't the problem - old money and the powers that seek to protect that old money is the problem.

 

[Danger2Jenkins]

Great man doing great things

 

[Danger2Jenkins]

It's pretty bad now but will only get worse. There's still a massive amount of new development happening in the west of Melbourne. It's a consequence of record immigration to Melbourne. It significantly degrades our quality of life yet it is never an election issue.

It's mainly a result of baby boomers subdividing their land, and also knocking down their old houses rebuilding them as "new properties" so Chinese investors were able to buy them. Foreign Chinese aren't allowed to purchase established property. Only way any foreign Chinese can own in Doncaster is by greedy baby boomers turning their established property into a new build, usually subdiving and building units.

 

[Fire]

Given that Melbourne's population has grown at record levels which is degrading our quality of life - the state parties could hold an opinion on it, and influence migration. But they don't because high migration allows them to claim economic growth, and balance their budget, even though GDP per person, the real indicator of rising living standards is stagnant. Growth also allows them to build infrastructure which makes it appear that they are 'doing something'.

Then why didn't the liberals 'do something' last time they were in power?

 

[Frank Bunn]

That's not exclusive to Victoria though. Federal and state economies have become a ponzi scheme.

I agree with this. Federal and state governments love immigration because it creates 'growth' that they can crow about. Andrews can look good by balancing his budget on the back of stamp duty revenue and higher GST disbursements. They can build infrastructure to cope with the immigration - that they can crow about.

The immigration level is the primary issue but it barely gets a mention at elections at federal or state level.

But migration isn't the problem - old money and the powers that seek to protect that old money is the problem.

It's more complicated than that.

Politicians love high immigration - as stated above.
Big business loves it as they can reduce staff costs.
Property developers love it as they can justify new high rise in the CBD, and rezoning in the suburbs.
Wealthy Chinese can switch money to a safe haven such as Melbourne property development.

 

[Del191229]

Shut this place down.

Two staff linked to safe injecting room arrested over drug trafficking

Two outreach workers linked to Melbourne's controversial safe injecting room have been arrested over drug trafficking.

www.theage.com.au

If they did shut it down, what will happen?

I'm keen to hear.

 

[GreyWind]

If they did shut it down, what will happen?

I'm keen to hear.

Good luck getting a reply. Bloke is weak as piss and is basically an RSS feed at this point.

 

[Adz]

And here it is. if you’ve been wondering why they haven’t mentioned the airport link since the election..this is why.

Treasurer Tim Pallas hoses down hopes for airport tunnel

Victorian Treasurer Tim Pallas has hosed down expectations for an expensive airport rail tunnel, despite repeated pressure from the Morrison government for a high-speed airport trains running through a direct tunnel.

www.theage.com.au

There’s no money left. Dan will build it still, because he is a revolutionary transport premier as he thinks, but every single transport initiative has been a dud barring the Level Crossings.

Dan likes to make big announcements about how they are “getting on with it” but when push comes to shove, the transport track record of this government is woeful.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Given that Melbourne's population has grown at record levels which is degrading our quality of life - the state parties could hold an opinion on it, and influence migration. But they don't because high migration allows them to claim economic growth, and balance their budget, even though GDP per person, the real indicator of rising living standards is stagnant. Growth also allows them to build infrastructure which makes it appear that they are 'doing something'.

Again, this is idiotic. What you are begging for is "dogwhistles".

They have no control over the immigration portfolio. None.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

And here it is. if you’ve been wondering why they haven’t mentioned the airport link since the election..this is why.

Treasurer Tim Pallas hoses down hopes for airport tunnel

Victorian Treasurer Tim Pallas has hosed down expectations for an expensive airport rail tunnel, despite repeated pressure from the Morrison government for a high-speed airport trains running through a direct tunnel.

www.theage.com.au

There’s no money left. Dan will build it still, because he is a revolutionary transport premier as he thinks, but every single transport initiative has been a dud barring the Level Crossings.

Dan likes to make big announcements about how they are “getting on with it” but when push comes to shove, the transport track record of this government is woeful.

Your opinions on politics are as valid as your opinions on football.

If you actually read the article, it says they are moving ahead with the rail project but considering and above ground option. I'm guessing the issue may be how serious the Federal funding commitment actually is. Or maybe you were just fibbing?

 

[Adz]

Your opinions on politics are as valid as your opinions on football.

If you actually read the article, it says they are moving ahead with the rail project but considering and above ground option. I'm guessing the issue may be how serious the Federal funding commitment actually is. Or maybe you were just fibbing?

Yes the generic rent a quote from the minister that tells us absolutely nothing.


At a business event in Sunshine, Mr Pallas raised the possibility of a cheaper, above-ground route that would stop at suburban stations, according to people in the room.

The Treasurer said the government was considering delaying building twin rail tunnels between the CBD and Sunshine, warning that the project's cost could skyrocket and even double if the tunnels were built, the sources said.

The state government was concerned about sluggish patronage on the line in the first few years and was considering having trains stop at suburban stations, Mr Pallas reportedly told the Delphi Bank event on Tuesday.

If they were so committed to the Sunshne option, he wouldn’t have mentioned the other option in a public forum. They are also concerned about costs DOUBLING and slow patronage.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Yes the generic rent a quote from the minister that tells us absolutely nothing.


At a business event in Sunshine, Mr Pallas raised the possibility of a cheaper, above-ground route that would stop at suburban stations, according to people in the room.

The Treasurer said the government was considering delaying building twin rail tunnels between the CBD and Sunshine, warning that the project's cost could skyrocket and even double if the tunnels were built, the sources said.

The state government was concerned about sluggish patronage on the line in the first few years and was considering having trains stop at suburban stations, Mr Pallas reportedly told the Delphi Bank event on Tuesday.

If they were so committed to the Sunshne option, he wouldn’t have mentioned the other option in a public forum. They are also concerned about costs DOUBLING and slow patronage.

So I was right and you were wrong.

Considering preliminary work has already started, money is already being used on the submissions/planning phase and we have budgeted commitments, I'd suggest I am right and you are wrong.

 

[Adz]

So I was right and you were wrong.

Considering preliminary work has already started, money is already being used on the submissions/planning phase and we have budgeted commitments, I'd suggest I am right and you are wrong.

What “preliminary” work.

The state government, whose Department of Treasury and Finance is assessing the proposal, said it would not comment while the assessment was under way.

Dan Andrews committee to the Sunshine option but now following deeper analysis they have changed their minds.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Hopefully "above ground" means some sort of elevated rail for dedicated high speed lines to and from the city.

If they aren't proceeding with dedicated lines, they'd be better off extending one of the standard gauge loops up to the airport and running two N class sets there and back every day. That would also be a shit service but at least the cost would be on-par with the product.

 

[Adz]

Hopefully "above ground" means some sort of elevated rail for dedicated high speed lines to and from the city.

If they aren't proceeding with dedicated lines, they'd be better off extending one of the standard gauge loops up to the airport and running two N class sets there and back every day. That would also be a shit service but at least the cost would be on-par with the product.

They’ll end up going to Melb Airport to privatise the line. You’ll need a special Myki airport pass and the fare will cost close to $30 return.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

They’ll end up going to Melb Airport to privatise the line. You’ll need a special Myki airport pass and the fare will cost close to $30 return.

That's probably going to happen anyway if the stations are privately owned by the airport, which they will be irrespective of which option is selected. Last time I caught the train in Sydney the airport fare was $15 each way; good indication of what we'll be paying in Melbourne too.

Depends what you get for $30 to be considered reasonable IMO. The Sydney options seems way overpriced because the airport line is serviced by regular trains with regular commuters who pay less than you do to go further. If it was a direct service with purpose built trains for luggage etc. it would be good value.