Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 4

[Ghost Patrol]

Pakistan is a nationality not a race though

Couldn't be a female?

Poor persecuted Pauline. I hope you sent her a donation.

 

[Gethelred]

Oxford dictionary definition of racist.

"characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

Note only typically it is one that is a minority. Just typically, not always.

Calling somebody a name such as redneck is antagonising.

The redneck term in this case was used at members of a particular racial group - white Caucasian Australians.

Inb4 'aUsTraLiAs nOt a rAcE' well neither is Pakistan but Pauline Hanson has found out that constituted racism.

Point of order: I didn't ask for a definition of racist. I asked for a definition of race.

Can you posit a definition of race that allows the term 'redneck' to apply as a racialised term?

 

[Father Jack]

I've never experienced racism in Australia, ergo Australia is not racist. I think that's the logic a lot of people follow.

 

[Kram]

just a quick search function on bigfooty has these posts on the topic

Search results for query: coconut

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Search results for query: coconut

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the original post came with a racist meme and confirmation the term was made in hate. Fortunately many members called out the term but sadly some justified the hatred. Some even dismissed it, even when the case law was presented.

Some of the finest minds at work there.

You know there's a very simple test one could use to find out if it's racist or not. Walk the length of Hannan St in Kal and say to every i
Indigenous Australian you see "hey coconut", if you walk out of there instead of riding out in an ambulance then it's not racist.

Or even easier just do a 1 minute google search on the term and Adam Goodes.

 

[AvantGardener]

Point of order: I didn't ask for a definition of racist. I asked for a definition of race.

Can you posit a definition of race that allows the term 'redneck' to apply as a racialised term?

Merriam Webster dictionary race "any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry"

A physical trait of being white is used to divide a group of humans in to groups. These white people get red necks from sunburn.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

These white people get red necks from sunburn.

And/or poor hygiene. Shaving rash, allergies etc.

White people can be very sensitive.

 

[Gethelred]

Merriam Webster dictionary race "any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry"

A physical trait of being white is used to divide a group of humans in to groups. These white people get red necks from sunburn.

Okay.

Define 'white'.

Are Italians included? Are Greeks included? Are Persians included?

I know some pretty pale skinned upper class Indians. Are they included as white?

There are current first nations people who have extremely pale skin, courtesy of government policy to remove halfcaste children into non-first nations settings in order to 'breed out' the blackness. Do they count as white?

Who is white, and who is not? Can you successfully say just by looking at people?

 

[AvantGardener]

Okay.

Define 'white'.

Are Italians included? Are Greeks included? Are Persians included?

I know some pretty pale skinned upper class Indians. Are they included as white?

There are current first nations people who have extremely pale skin, courtesy of government policy to remove halfcaste children into non-first nations settings in order to 'breed out' the blackness. Do they count as white?

Who is white, and who is not? Can you successfully say just by looking at people?

Could be either European or Anglo-Celtic.

Whats your whole point in this line of questioning?

 

[Gethelred]

Could be either European or Anglo-Celtic.

Whats your whole point in this line of questioning?

Because limiting whiteness to the entire landmass of Europe is... problematic in the least, and very, very silly. Are South Africans not white? Are there no white Zimbaweans? Are there no Burghers in Sri Lanka?

Are Moorish Spanish white? They meet your criteria as mainland European. There's a long history of what were referred to as 'black celts'; celts who had darker skin, as it wasn't just hair colour.

Are white Morroccans not white? Again: are pale skinned First Nations people not considered white, despite having skin whiter than some mainland Europeans?

I want to you tell me explicitly who specifically is white and who isn't. You need to provide a basis for the 'white' race before you can determine what is racist against them.

 

[AvantGardener]

Because limiting whiteness to the entire landmass of Europe is... problematic in the least, and very, very silly. Are South Africans not white? Are there no white Zimbaweans? Are there no Burghers in Sri Lanka?

Are Moorish Spanish white? They meet your criteria as mainland European. There's a long history of what were referred to as 'black celts'; celts who had darker skin, as it wasn't just hair colour.

Are white Morroccans not white? Again: are pale skinned First Nations people not considered white, despite having skin whiter than some mainland Europeans?

I want to you tell me explicitly who specifically is white and who isn't. You need to provide a basis for the 'white' race before you can determine what is racist against them.

You are overcomplicating this. Do you think a racist does a DNA test before throwing a barb like black c***?

By your logic you would also argue that isn't racist as black isn't a race, and you're not sure what specific black race the racist is referring to.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

After spending pages defending a convicted racist, can we get your thoughts on Andrew Bolt next?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

White people aren’t sending our best and brightest in this thread.

On behalf of whites I disavow these backwards rednecks and humbly pledge to ignore their posting on boomer Facebook pages after too many Jack and cokes.


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[Achy Blakey Heart]

Good talk

 

[Gethelred]

You are overcomplicating this. Do you think a racist does a DNA test before throwing a barb like black c***?

By your logic you would also argue that isn't racist as black isn't a race, and you're not sure what specific black race the racist is referring to.

... um, ****ing precisely?

The point is that race isn't real. It's why discrimination on racial grounds is wrong: because it doesn't exist. Society discriminates from necessity in some ways - not everyone is entitled to play AFL at the top level - but racial discrimination is wrong on that basis.

... which is why, in order to explain race and racism, we have to talk about culture and minorities and define racism using more than skin colour and cultural extract.

Well done. You've illustrated my case brilliantly.

 

[AvantGardener]

After spending pages defending a convicted racist, can we get your thoughts on Andrew Bolt next?

It was debating the term redneck, nothing to do with Pauline Hanson.

 

[AvantGardener]

... um, ****ing precisely?

The point is that race isn't real. It's why discrimination on racial grounds is wrong: because it doesn't exist. Society discriminates from necessity in some ways - not everyone is entitled to play AFL at the top level - but racial discrimination is wrong on that basis.

... which is why, in order to explain race and racism, we have to talk about culture and minorities and define racism using more than skin colour and cultural extract.

Well done. You've illustrated my case brilliantly.

I dont think there would be much agreement in society that someone going around saying black c**** is not racist. You might make it fly in some scholarly way but it doesnt pass the pub test. Its overcomplicating it.

 

[Gethelred]

I dont think there would be much agreement in society that someone going around saying black c**** is not racist. You might make it fly in some scholarly way but it doesnt pass the pub test.

Argument ad populum.

Its overcomplicating it.

... dude, it's a complicated topic, with an extremely complicated history.

I think we've gone the full circle here. We risk repeating ourselves if we continue. If you have anything new I'd be interested to hear it, but otherwise have a lovely evening.

 

[Gibbke]

I think that, as artificial wombs come along and become widespread, their use in saving pre-birth lives in this manner will become an increased factor.

Are pre-birth lives sacrosanct from the moment of conception? No, I don't think they are.
Am I pro-choice? Absolutely.
At what point should mothers (and fathers, but it is mothers who physically carry a pregnancy) who 100% do not want lives carrying their DNA to be born have this option taken away? Tough question, but I'll stick to viability outside the womb. Before that time it is an intrinsic part of the mother's body and as the carrier it is especially hers to do as she pleases.

I'll ask you as I've asked others - are you approaching the abortion issue from a religious standpoint?

No religion whatsoever. It's my conundrum as someone who also backs choice. Thing is, humanity trumps certain freedoms...my choice is to go kill someone, but sorry, they tell me I can't do that...my freedom to hard all of my well earned cash is compromised by taxation and assistance...

So for me the fundamental question has to be is destroying a foetus killing a human? You cannot reach consensus on this issue unless that's known, and I'd be thinking the argument for a pro-choicer is a little harder to establish...science can be very inconvenient...

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

No religion whatsoever. It's my conundrum as someone who also backs choice. Thing is, humanity trumps certain freedoms...my choice is to go kill someone, but sorry, they tell me I can't do that...my freedom to hard all of my well earned cash is compromised by taxation and assistance...

So for me the fundamental question has to be is destroying a foetus killing a human? You cannot reach consensus on this issue unless that's known, and I'd be thinking the argument for a pro-choicer is a little harder to establish...science can be very inconvenient...

See, to me the pro-choice position is crystal clear - as long as the foetal life form is dependent on the mother it should be considered part of the mother's body. In my mind this should always override 'right to life'.

 

[Power Raid]

After spending pages defending a convicted racist, can we get your thoughts on Andrew Bolt next?

Imagine being like Bolt and thinking it’s OK to deny people their indigenous identity just because you hate them

Imagine supporting someone like that?

How would you describe someone like that?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Imagine being like Bolt and thinking it’s OK to deny people their indigenous identity just because you hate them

Imagine supporting someone like that?

How would you describe someone like that?

White Power Raid?

 

[Power Raid]

White Power Raid?

That’s strange given it wasn’t me that promotes or accepts these terms.

Do you remember which posters did?

What was your position on the matter? Would you support those that favoured racism and seek recoup against those that called it out?

Would you consider yourself left? Do you support 18C?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

That’s strange given it wasn’t me that promotes or accepts these terms.

Do you remember which posters did?

What was your position on the matter? Would you support those that favoured racism and seek recoup against those that called it out?

Would you consider yourself left? Do you support 18C?

That's strange given your previous infractions for racism.

Do you have a short memory?

 

[Power Raid]

That's strange given your previous infractions for racism.

Do you have a short memory?

Please refresh me


Oh and answer the questions please. As I sense you might be an advocate for denying people their indigenous identity and pursue those that call it out

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Please refresh me


Oh and answer the questions please. As I sense you might be an advocate for denying people their indigenous identity and pursue those that call it out

I'm a centrist. Clearly that's to the left of where you sit.

Are you trying to deny my political identity?