Ratten is saying Dangerfield carved up Gibbs in the first half so maybe he was entitled to take him out of the midfield. I have said before that I would not mind seeing 2E have a crack at midfield
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Bryce Gibbs doent have what it takes to play the Murphy Role so pointless even suggesting that, He is a Midfielder but ''Outside Mid'' Only
The Kid just doent like heavy contact and has proven that whilst he has been at Carlton for 5 years.
The best role for him is the Exact role that Brett Delidio is currently playing which is Midfield/Hf/Wing.
Brett Delidio has Proven this year that he can get the ball and pump it into our foward 50 with great accuracy which i believe bryce gibbs will also be good at.
But if I was a carlton supporter i would preffer him to be dropped for 4-5 weeks to the vfl and played inside midfield just to see if he has what it takes and to develop atleast a small part of his inside game , as well as putting a rocket up his a55
Ratten Really needs to be harder on this guy , no longer treat him with kid gloves, he is actually doing more damage than good to bryce by trying to hide his weak side.
The Kid just doent like heavy contact and has proven that whilst he has been at Carlton for 5 years.
The best role for him is the Exact role that Brett Delidio is currently playing which is Midfield/Hf/Wing.
Brett Delidio has Proven this year that he can get the ball and pump it into our foward 50 with great accuracy which i believe bryce gibbs will also be good at.
But if I was a carlton supporter i would preffer him to be dropped for 4-5 weeks to the vfl and played inside midfield just to see if he has what it takes and to develop atleast a small part of his inside game , as well as putting a rocket up his a55
Ratten Really needs to be harder on this guy , no longer treat him with kid gloves, he is actually doing more damage than good to bryce by trying to hide his weak side.
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If he has more of a physical presence and is prepared to wear the odd bruise, it doesn't matter if he is playing Melbourne, West Coast or Wangaratta 2nds. It's not as though Melbourne players are all lightweights. If he cops a knock from Jones or Magner for example, he'd at least have earned some acknowledgement.
nothing more needs to be said. never first to the ball - prefers to lay the tackle and by the time that happens the ball is out.
and yet the coach is still defending him ffs.
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soft keyboard warriors in this thread, he has been tagged 3 times this year so someone rates him or do afl coachs tag spuds 
clubs have worked out to man him up from kick outs where he get's the ball alot,so his stats are down..he is still a star. people calling for him to go to the midfield who replaces him down back? armfield kicking the ball into the midfield/foward yeh we will a great team
clubs have worked out to man him up from kick outs where he get's the ball alot,so his stats are down..he is still a star. people calling for him to go to the midfield who replaces him down back? armfield kicking the ball into the midfield/foward yeh we will a great team
I will preface this by saying that I haven't seen Essendon play too often this year so may be wrong in some of what I say.
I think the game for Gibbs is that which Stanton is playing for the Bombers. I don't see him as an inside mid, don't think that he can handle the pressure there, and can't see the point in doing it just to "toughen him up", particularly in his present state of mind.
He can get his own ball, can take a mark and sure as hell can hit a teamate with a kick. But it seems to me he goes into most games as a hunter, ie has the responsibility to quell an opponent probably because a couple of times in the past he has successfully done a number on Goodes and maybe some others.
With his skills why in hell do we want him to be a run with player? Did we ever expect that of Braddles or do Essendon expect that of Stanton?
Even if we can make him get into the packs and win hard, congested ball we will get little out of his footskills, stuff it let others who can't kick like him do that and get it out to him to utilize his skills.
Time for Gibbs to go from a hunter (doesn't seem to be real good at that) to the hunted and play him on the ball but off the pack, let his opponent worry about him not the other way around. Get an attacking mindset into him and remove the negating one he currently has.
As some say he seems to want to wait for the opposition to get the ball and lay a tackle more than get the ball himself. Is this his fault or the result of the role he is expected to play?
What I'm saying is give him a Stanton role (remember this is the guy that Bomber fans were booing off the ground last year) and let him regain some of the confidence that has been knocked out of him in recent years.
He is too good a player to be vilified by his own supporters.
I think the game for Gibbs is that which Stanton is playing for the Bombers. I don't see him as an inside mid, don't think that he can handle the pressure there, and can't see the point in doing it just to "toughen him up", particularly in his present state of mind.
He can get his own ball, can take a mark and sure as hell can hit a teamate with a kick. But it seems to me he goes into most games as a hunter, ie has the responsibility to quell an opponent probably because a couple of times in the past he has successfully done a number on Goodes and maybe some others.
With his skills why in hell do we want him to be a run with player? Did we ever expect that of Braddles or do Essendon expect that of Stanton?
Even if we can make him get into the packs and win hard, congested ball we will get little out of his footskills, stuff it let others who can't kick like him do that and get it out to him to utilize his skills.
Time for Gibbs to go from a hunter (doesn't seem to be real good at that) to the hunted and play him on the ball but off the pack, let his opponent worry about him not the other way around. Get an attacking mindset into him and remove the negating one he currently has.
As some say he seems to want to wait for the opposition to get the ball and lay a tackle more than get the ball himself. Is this his fault or the result of the role he is expected to play?
What I'm saying is give him a Stanton role (remember this is the guy that Bomber fans were booing off the ground last year) and let him regain some of the confidence that has been knocked out of him in recent years.
He is too good a player to be vilified by his own supporters.
soft keyboard warriors in this thread, he has been tagged 3 times this year so someone rates him or do afl coachs tag spuds
clubs have worked out to man him up from kick outs where he get's the ball alot,so his stats are down..he is still a star. people calling for him to go to the midfield who replaces him down back? armfield kicking the ball into the midfield/foward yeh we will a great team
Gibbs has been a very good half back, but he has developed some bad habits in terms of his game being totally dependant in getting the easy ball, he has the size/skills/quality to be a elite mid-fielder he just needs that intensity that most elite players have, Yarran is back in defence, time to give him a challenge for the next month and play him mid-field, with Murphy gone for most of the year, time for Gibbs to take up the challenge.
Gibbs has been covering for num nuts like Bower and Russell and playing loose man behind stoppages for a long time - because that is what the coach has asked him to do. On other occassions he has been asked to tag super star outside players like Goodes and Goddard - a task which he has accomplished very well.
I dont understand exactly what Gibbs has done wrong - to earn the tag of being a softie.
Over the last few weeks - pretty much every Carlton player - yes every player has played below expectations. Essendon fluked a win over us - because of three keu injuries on the day. Saints ambushed us with two brand new smalls - these were not defeats that anything except pride shodul worry about.
The really embarassing and telling defeat is the one which we copped against Adelaide. That one underlined some of the festering issues we have to deal with - before we can move on.
Gibbs now features more prominently in his importance and drawing the ire and condemnation of armchaior critics - becaue we have what is becoming a mountain of injuries and fanboys are angry. Gibbs will lift. Maybe the coach will wake up one day and realise he should be playing as an attacking player - half forward flanker. A total waste of talent trying to make him into a hard inside player -not his role.
I dont understand exactly what Gibbs has done wrong - to earn the tag of being a softie.
Over the last few weeks - pretty much every Carlton player - yes every player has played below expectations. Essendon fluked a win over us - because of three keu injuries on the day. Saints ambushed us with two brand new smalls - these were not defeats that anything except pride shodul worry about.
The really embarassing and telling defeat is the one which we copped against Adelaide. That one underlined some of the festering issues we have to deal with - before we can move on.
Gibbs now features more prominently in his importance and drawing the ire and condemnation of armchaior critics - becaue we have what is becoming a mountain of injuries and fanboys are angry. Gibbs will lift. Maybe the coach will wake up one day and realise he should be playing as an attacking player - half forward flanker. A total waste of talent trying to make him into a hard inside player -not his role.
This may sound strange but I'm not that fussed that Gibbs isnt a hard nut. Some players are naturally hard at the ball, some naturally do not have it in them and it'd be pointless to expect otherwise. Hence the terms "outside" and "inside".
Think Craig Bradley, Darren Bewick, Alan Didak, Matty Knights etc. But the big difference is that these players used their other strengths (speed, disposal, goal sense etc) to maximum effect. That's why Gibbs frustrates that much, he does not take the game on the way he should given the skills he has at his disposal (decision making, disposal etc).
Have a go you mug!!!
Think Craig Bradley, Darren Bewick, Alan Didak, Matty Knights etc. But the big difference is that these players used their other strengths (speed, disposal, goal sense etc) to maximum effect. That's why Gibbs frustrates that much, he does not take the game on the way he should given the skills he has at his disposal (decision making, disposal etc).
Have a go you mug!!!
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soft keyboard warriors in this thread, he has been tagged 3 times this year so someone rates him or do afl coachs tag spuds
clubs have worked out to man him up from kick outs where he get's the ball alot,so his stats are down..he is still a star. people calling for him to go to the midfield who replaces him down back? armfield kicking the ball into the midfield/foward yeh we will a great team
No one is calling him a spud, time to develop your comprehension skills pal.
The problem is his softness and attitude on the field. Have a good think for a minute, do you really think people are so frustrated with him for the sake of it? Maybe there are some trolls on here that'll attack anyone but I'm harsh on him because I know that he is capable of much more than what he has delivered so far.
We are starting to enter a critical situation with our midfield now that Murph and Carrots will both be out for probably the next month at least, so we are dying for Gibbs to step up. Problem is based on what he has delivered so far this year I can't see it happening.
He pumped his own tyres up before the season started saying that he felt ready to make a bigger impact, then Judd pumped him up and Ratts did as well.
With teams going in as hard as ever against us there is no room for softness, everyone in that Carlton side needs to be hard at the ball because if we show the smallest signs that players aren't willing to go when their time comes, that's when the opposition will know they got us.
As for your comments about who will replace him down back, I actually think we don't need to replace him because he's been mainly playing as the loose defender. His job is to cut off incoming kicks and rebound because he does have very good disposal skills and is cool under pressure. But he hasn't been doing that, which means that position is not working for him, time to change things up and if he still fails to make an impact on games then time to be dropped.
It is so frustrating to see a player with all the talent in the world play with such a lack of intensity especially when his team really needs him to step up. He deserves to cop criticism.
I agree that this has been his primary role this season.
In fairness to him nobody could have much effect in this role the way the ball has been coming in so clean because of the little pressure/effort from our midfield and lack of forward pressure.
Also turnovers have really killed us which tends to catch players in this role out of position as they try to run from behind!
soft keyboard warriors in this thread, he has been tagged 3 times this year so someone rates him or do afl coachs tag spuds
clubs have worked out to man him up from kick outs where he get's the ball alot,so his stats are down..he is still a star. people calling for him to go to the midfield who replaces him down back? armfield kicking the ball into the midfield/foward yeh we will a great team
I am not sure if he has been tagged 3 times or not but this means zip - we may have used a defensive half forward on Leon Davis in the past - it does not mean he is a star but that he can hurt you if you let him play the game on his terms.
Dennis Armfields Disposal Efficiency is only 2% different from Gibbsy's and when he takes the game on with run he is under far more pressure than Gibbsy often is
Interesting to see in todays Hun, Ratts quote that he prefers Gibbsy down back. I haven't got the paper with me but he pretty much said for his damaging disposal - I will ask on media thread if anyone can find a link
yep i remember reading that this morning, that he prefers playing him down back.
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hes no paddy dangerfield thats for sure. when did you last see him put his body on the line like that?
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never and unfortunately never will!! quite sad actually, ill give up anything to play afl football... FFS atleast try smother the football or have some enthusiasm when your playing and stop playing for yourself!! maybe the club has to be questioned..they've spoon fed him since day one..been living off of handouts to be quite frank!! ahh well, another top draft pick that went wrong!! Whats new!!
Is that the same Paddy Dangerfield who went missing in tonight's game whilst receiving a soft tag from Daisy Thomas?
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Carlton supporters would be bitching about Ratten using as former top two pick as a tagger because he can't find his own ball.
Nice first post...never and unfortunately never will!! quite sad actually, ill give up anything to play afl football... FFS atleast try smother the football or have some enthusiasm when your playing and stop playing for yourself!! maybe the club has to be questioned..they've spoon fed him since day one..been living off of handouts to be quite frank!! ahh well, another top draft pick that went wrong!! Whats new!!
Gibbs was good enough to poll 15 Brownlow votes after having a season where he had 615 touches and kicked 15 goals before he had turned 21. Hope they spoon feed all of the players like Gibbs.
Carlton supporters would be bitching about Ratten using as former top two pick as a tagger because he can't find his own ball.
Nice first post...
Gibbs was good enough to poll 15 Brownlow votes after having a season where he had 615 touches and kicked 15 goals before he had turned 21. Hope they spoon feed all of the players like Gibbs.
Sadly he didn't stay 21. Down hill skier.
His hair and sideburns are pretty cool though!
Carlton supporters would be bitching about Ratten using as former top two pick as a tagger because he can't find his own ball.
Nice first post...
Gibbs was good enough to poll 15 Brownlow votes after having a season where he had 615 touches and kicked 15 goals before he had turned 21. Hope they spoon feed all of the players like Gibbs.
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Wow! That's a wrap coming from you
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