The line up was always a chance of being skittled one day, because defence against the swinging ball is something none of the team have ever shown they've been overly good at. People who follow batting technique, shudder when they look at this side.
ICC World Cup Group A Match - AUS vs NZ
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I'd love NZ to win, find them easier to root for than this current Aussie side. My allegiances are split so games like today are weird (but great to watch). I still refer to the Aussies as us though so you know 
Would be very surprised if Australia fell to pieces to that extent again this tournament and the loss may well not be a bad thing given the possible opposition in the finals due to it. As crap as the batting and OTT aggressive shot selection was the fact that the bowlers nearly defended it would be very heartening.
Would be very surprised if Australia fell to pieces to that extent again this tournament and the loss may well not be a bad thing given the possible opposition in the finals due to it. As crap as the batting and OTT aggressive shot selection was the fact that the bowlers nearly defended it would be very heartening.
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Let's call that a moral victory for the Aussies 
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never heard of AB de Villiers?
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I'm not a fan of having Cummins, Johnson and Starc in the same team. Much prefer Hazelwood over Cummins. He provides more control and balance to the attack IMO
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we have a lot of x-factors, watson, warner, marsh. however when we need someone to bunker down they are more like if factors (if they fire)
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Fair enough. But in the event that Australia don't make the final and New Zealand do, how could anyone not be happy for New Zealand to win it? McCullum, Williamson, Southee, Boult, what's there to dislike about this team?
Finch - a fair weather sailor - very suspect against quality bowling - see red ball stats
Warner - technically very sound - can get carried away - unknown against high class swing
Watson - lbw candidate - very metronomic
Clarke - back is stuffed, playing with his hands - plays across a straightened front leg
Smith - unique technique - query against swinging ball
Marsh - query against high class swing swing
Maxwell - FFS
If you needed someone to bat for your life out of that lot who would you pick?
The bigger concern would be for The Ashes - if Anderson could get right and the find another one they could trouble us, if Mitchell Johnson loses it again, I doubt he'll come back.
Although I'm biased Voges would actually be good in the middle order and it's not as if he has been a dud when given a go before.
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Totally agree (and will happily admit that I'm very biased too!)
His international ODI stats actually stack up favourably against the current Aussie team (and even against most international players ) . So unfair that he didn't keep getting games . Or that he never got a Test debut based on his international and domestic (shield form )
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I'm a Black Caps fan , so very biased , but as the black sheep (and being surrounded by non- NZ supporters) , I'm loving the support from neutrals
We have a balanced , mostly young team and likeable team who is playing exciting cricket at the moment. Plus we have never won a World Cup!(and this feels like its going to be our best /maybe only genuine chance for a long time given the huge inequalities in $$, playing pool etc) . It would also be a romantic , feel-good story (co-hosts , relative minnows , and Martin Crowe's illness ).
Despite all of this, my heart says NZ , my gut says Australia (who I would happily back if we don't make the final ), but as a neutral , I wouldn't mind a new winner (SA or even England)
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batting for my life in ODIs? ill slash my wrists now.
finch is frustrating. worked his way in, and shows glimpses.
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Im on record as saying Starc is a more dynamic bowler than Cummins and Pattenson even. I got told to flog off. Wheres my medallion?
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The swinging ball isn't that relevant in ODI cricket anymore since bowlers have lost the art to persist with it throughout an innnings and/or have not mastered its control so it's not a real surprise that when a ball does swing consistently and especially at pace then most batting line ups would have a problem. The type of swing seen yesterday is only really shown in England and NZ anyway. I wouldn't see too much into the batting collapse...i mean they were 80/1. It was more the inclusion of vettori and the reduction in the RR that led to the batsmen to feel pressured to score and thus lost their confidence, also that boult spell along with starc was pretty special.
I doubt even a competent batsmen of swing bowling would have fared much better, sometimes bowlers just have their days...some people find it hard to believe that bowlers can be credited with playing good cricket and are too quick to fault the batsmen. The thing that could possibly worry me as a cricket fan is a lack of application at the crease in those pressure situaitons by both teams, i.e. playing through those good overs and not worrying about the RR. Then again, the bowling was pretty special and i would rather credit the amazing bowling than looking too negatively at the batting.
Lack of application and inability to play the swinging ball are intrinsically linked. Yes the bowling was good - it was great in fact, but the batting was parlous. In days gone by, great batsmen only got recognised by being able to play in all conditions. Given two new balls are used in ODI cricket, swinging the ball in a conventional manner should be and has been proven to be a skill worth persisting with at all levels. It was a great game because of the bowling. If you want a bat-a-thon just do the right thing and set up bowling machines and be done with it.
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Yes, if Australia can't win I would like to see NZ win. As they say, I like how they go about it.
Ah Maxy...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11409963
Don't mind it though. Good, fun banter between players and fans is great for cricket.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11409963
Don't mind it though. Good, fun banter between players and fans is great for cricket.
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+ Crowe...
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That's not bad at all. Was clearly done in good fun, and as the article said - Maxwell turned and had more fun after Williamsons 6.
There's others in the team that would have been petulant children and just walked off sulking after the 6.
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And Haddin too. It's a shame Cummins got hit for six of the last ball. Combination of ballsy shot selection, good execution and ordinary delivery. Put it right in the hitting zone, especially with those short straight boundaries.
You're inability to even give the slightest hint of praise to some players - notably Warner and Cummins - is hilarious.
Have been on his boat for a few years. Initially I wasn't overly impressed but I quickly came around. He has every chance of being NZ's greatest ever batsmen by the time he retired.
Often the best one day games are the low scoring ones - Bevan 4 of the last ball, World Cup Semi Final (210-220 is not a low scoring game as such, but certainly not a high scoring game), WA v SA semi final in the mid 70's.
Wickets are irrelevant to NRR. New Zealand getting a boost doesn't matter as any win put them 1.5 games above us and secured first spot anyway. This game, however, will put a solid dent in our NRR. Funnily enough it probably won't matter too much. Given we have a No Result we are unlikely to finish tied on points with any other teams.
Starc definitely bowled better than Boult, but Boult did bowl well. four of Boult's wickets were from poor shots, and three of those four weren't particularly great balls. But the lead up those wickets was good and built a lot of pressure and it just happened that the not so good balls got the wickets. That's cricket sometimes.
FWIW I thought Dan Vettori was NZ's best bowler. Only two wickets but he completely changed the momentum of our innings. His last over soured his figures fractionally.
Especially when the spinner in our squad is Xavier Doherty. He has had his moments in ODI cricket, but by and large I don't think he adds anything to this XI. His logical replacement would be Maxwell and it's questionable whether the X-man is an improvement. It certainly reduces the strength of our batting, even if Maxwell is very up and down.
Broad has given us a few problems over the years too and is now really coming into his element as a bowler. 92 wickets @ 26 over the last two calendar years in test cricket so he is now one of the genuinely best fast bowlers in the world. The 2015 Ashes are unlikely to be anything like the 13/14 Ashes, as beautiful as it would be to do a repeat.
Martin Crowe. What a courageous human being. If we don't make it. NZ do it for Martin.
The best New Zealand team I've seen since Hadlee was playing .What I want to know is why is this the first time we've played them since 2011. Surely them only being 3hr flight away with a team like this, would be a better bet for a boxing day test than Sri Lanka was couple of years back , didn't even bother going then . Still be interesting to see how the BCs go in the finals away from their predominantly home crowds and Sunday afternoon picnic atmosphere type grounds . True Eden park was a cauldron on Saturday but no way should it be approved for WC fixtures way too small no other ground like it.
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I'm guess it has something to do with neither cricket board wanting to give up the money from a home series since our seasons run parallel
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