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The amount of time LRT is undervalued in our side is criminal and historically repetitive.
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The amount of time LRT is undervalued in our side is criminal and historically repetitive.
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LRT goes done back as the 3rd tall for me until AJ is ready.
Macca back to Mid/HFF.
Laidler , maybe 3rd tall if they go that way , is 191cm so he might be able to hold done that 3rd tall role and from what I have seen and heard he bats above his weight , otherwise Mattners role intercept marking and getting across to help Ted and Reg like Mattner did so well , probably fighting with Rampe but Swans always play 7 defenders so you can count on having one starting in round 1
Macca back to Mid/HFF.
Laidler , maybe 3rd tall if they go that way , is 191cm so he might be able to hold done that 3rd tall role and from what I have seen and heard he bats above his weight , otherwise Mattners role intercept marking and getting across to help Ted and Reg like Mattner did so well , probably fighting with Rampe but Swans always play 7 defenders so you can count on having one starting in round 1
Coming off debilitating knee injuries and now on the wrong-side of 30, I think it's fair to question whether he should be a walk-up starter, especially when his actual role appears cloudy.
I understand his value, and that he still has plenty to offer. I was suggesting with the state of our forward group, I don't think he should be spending much time there this year. Secondly, not every team we face will have three traditional tall forwards and perhaps, for those weeks it'd actually be beneficial to "down-size" and not go so top-heavy. Thus, someone like LRT could be a casualty.
I love LRT and his versatility and ability to stand up in big games is still a huge, unique weapon for the Swans. Not underestimating that, just simply proposing that he might be better used dependent on match ups.
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Firstly there is no evidence so far the Goodsie will even play. Even if he manages to get over his knee problems to get 10 games out of him would be gold.
Rampe played more the running role in the Intra-club and did it quite well.
I am not very sure of Mal on a good fast forward, Towers turned him inside out time and again and Mal had no answers. He was far too slow and was wrong footed on several occasions. That is a worry for me and could lead to Rhyce being very much needed in games where the opposition forwardline has genuine pace.
Laidler played two roles in the Intra, first on the talls as the third option and then he also played on smaller options as well. But he did control the play coming out of the defence and set up play to the mids. I think he is quite versatile, not quite fast enough to take a flashy forward like Cyril or BJ but taking the middle height forward or the third tall. What I liked about him was his demeanour, he was calm under pressure and made good decisions.
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I agree to some extent. We have to look to the future and while Aliir probably won't play seniors this year he is certainly a developing player. Xav Richards is also developing well although he seems to have copped an injury in the Intra as he wasn't seen after Quarter time. Certainly I can see times when a over big backline could be disastrous. Against Melbourne or this year with the way Cats seem to want to play we have to have manoeuvrability and pace to counter their HF run. LRT, like Goodsie I think will be a player used in special situations to exploit opposition weaknesses. They both probably won't play every game, after all they are getting on a bit LOL. But they probably will play some big games.
Interesting how many people seem to writing off Goodes and LRT at this point in time, but I challenge you to cast your minds back 16 months to the last Saturday in September 2012 and remember their impact at the business end of the season when there are no second chances. These guys are champions of the club and deserve to be and will be best 22 players, yes we have an extremely talented younger brigade of up and coming players but they need to earn their spot and then perform competitively consistently to obtain best 22 status that is what our whole ethos is about.
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I don't think we have ever played this Team this week that Team next week , we have always gone down the line of having a settled Team week in week out unless injuries and form, I cant see LRT going near the forward with Reid , Tippett , Buddy and I cant see him playing in the NEAFL but with nearly all Teams having 3 tall forwards we need a 3rd tall down back and that's were LRT fits the bill ala start of 2013 until he went down with the knee. Rampe is 188cm and is far far away from being a 3rd tall and was thrown to the wolfs in 2013, yes he played that role at times but it was only because we had nothing else with LRT , Reid , AJ , Walsh all going down and Everitt yes is 194cm but doesn't play that tall and never will. If you listen to Horse on SEN at the end of 2013 he said they spoke to Reid mid year when he was suppose to come back about playing that 3rd tall down back so they new it was a concern and we could all see it against Cats , Hawks etc that we were exposed for height down back. At times I saw Rampe on Hale , Mal on Roughy , Rampe on Pods etc etc not ideal.
Swans always play 7 defenders so my back 6 in R1 if fit and AJ not there just yet to return to seniors and Shaw looks like a lock to play R1
LRT - Grundy - Smith
Shaw - Richards - Malceski
Bench - Rampe/Laidler
or if they think Laidler could hold down a 3rd tall role
Laidler - Grundy - Smith
Shaw - Richards - Malceski
Bench LRT
Swans always play 7 defenders so my back 6 in R1 if fit and AJ not there just yet to return to seniors and Shaw looks like a lock to play R1
LRT - Grundy - Smith
Shaw - Richards - Malceski
Bench - Rampe/Laidler
or if they think Laidler could hold down a 3rd tall role
Laidler - Grundy - Smith
Shaw - Richards - Malceski
Bench LRT
Agree with a lot of what you just said. I'd argue that Horse seems pretty keen on Rampe, thus the only way Laidler gets a game is ahead of LRT for that third KPD role. Think if it's between Rampe and Laidler, the coaching staff would back Rampe in every time.
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Am I wrong or does this article kind of suggest that they're looking at playing two genuine ruckmen round 1? It makes it seem like Horse would prefer to play Tippett as a permanent forward and he'd like one of the three young guys to step up and run with a similar setup a la Mumford and Pyke.
Am I wrong or does this article kind of suggest that they're looking at playing two genuine ruckmen round 1? It makes it seem like Horse would prefer to play Tippett as a permanent forward and he'd like one of the three young guys to step up and run with a similar setup a la Mumford and Pyke.
Sounds great to me keep Tippo away from the ruck!
Kind of agree with you, although I have reservations we might be going too big - especially in the forward 50. Anyway, from what I saw at the intra, I'd have Big Toby in the lead seeing as he kicked 3 and clunked a few grabs in the forward line.
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Hope Tippett is 2nd ruck , that means you get an extra mid/fwd into the line up
I'm split. I want Tippett and Franklin forward permanently together. I also don't want us to be top-heavy. I guess you can't have the cake and eat it.
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Don't want another episode of 2013 , everyone getting in each others way and as soon as the ball hit the deck it was gone.
Still to this day think Tippetts best game was against the Hawks in the PF when he got around clunking marks when rucking , I don't understand if you have a guy that is 201cm and a very good 2nd ruck why you wouldn't use him for that and then have the advantage of having another quick mid/fwd in the team , I think he can get stale sitting in the goal square all game and now we have Buddy , Reid , Goodes , Rohan etc etc its not like we don't have enough scoring options while he is rucking and you have Pyke resting fwd also , 2nd in comp for contested marks and kicked 25+ goals in 2013
Yeah, I think I'm with you. The Fremantle game was a stark reminder that we need to get quicker. It's why I've been advocating the inclusion of Cunningham and/or Towers in the forward line to inject some pace. Think we have plenty of height and marking options, pace and ability when the ball hits the deck is at a premium. Would be a mistake to run with Tippett/Franklin/Reid/Goodes/LRT/Pyke AND another ruckmen. There would be no mobility.
Instead just go with Tippett/Franklin/Goodes/Reid in the forward line and surround them with pace (Rohan/Cunningham/Towers/McGlynn etc)
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agree I would rather have Tippett 2nd and have either harry , towers , bj etc in the team than another ruck , our midfield kick enough goals and then you have guys resting like macca , parker , rok , mcglynn etc there is plenty of scoring options , we don't need tippett sitting in the goal all game and it will make us more unpredictable while tippet rucks , LRT can also 2nd ruck.
Use tippett to our advantage I say , he rucked really well against the blues in 2013
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His knees will be shot within two years played as a ruck he is all upper body.
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Why is he any different to any other 200cm player
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He just seems to be built that way a bit like Fitzy or Goodes when he played ruck and the way he moves.. just my observation I think he should play where he is most potent Im not sold on the theory of a forward playing ruck, better to have a ruck play forward imo
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I've always been on the keep Tippett away from the ruck bandwagon. It seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
He's a big powerful forward and good at it. Keep him there.
He's a big powerful forward and good at it. Keep him there.
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sorry Punts I don't want to see Tip in the ruck. I want to see him kick goals. That is why we got him. Stuff putting him in the ruck it would ruin the plsn we have had fortha last year. Buddy coming in only makes that plan stronger ot weaker. So no Tip in the ruck please.
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the reason Punts is we did not pay all that money for a second ruck. We paid it for a FF. If we wanted a second ruck we could have picked one up cheap, fruit we did!
Sorry not playing the man but that is just total rubbish, we paid the good money for a player of the calibre, talent and flexibility that Tippett brings and he comes in to play where-ever is best for the team, if that is as 2nd ruck with Buddy @ CHF and Reid @ FF then so be it if that is what the coaching staff feels is best for the balance of the team.
But it's not like if Tippet plays ruck it will be any more than 20% game time, and I don't think they intend to use him as the 2nd ruck on a permanent basis, just when required. Realistically, forwards are only fully active for small periods of the game, so if you can have a forward playing other roles ie rucking, swinging into defence or having a run along the wing or midfield, then you're maximising the usage of all your players rather than maxing out the mids and under utilising the forwards / backs (depending on the flow of the game of course).
I think that's the philosophy that Horse and many other coaches will be adopting with the limited interchange. The mids need to have their work loads redistributed, alternatively you can load the field with a bunch of mids like Carlton attempted to do.
For what it's worth, I'd only use Tippett in the ruck sparingly, you don't want to waste such a talented KPF in the ruck. Besides, he'd be an average ruckman, and is an infinitely better forward. However I wouldn't be against him moving into the ruck just to get a feel for the ball, not like he has to crash and bash in the ruck. But in big games / finals etc. I'd put money on opposition coaches instructing their ruckman to go at Tippett and make him feel it if he was made to play in the ruck, so we'd have to be strategic in how we choose to use him.
I think that's the philosophy that Horse and many other coaches will be adopting with the limited interchange. The mids need to have their work loads redistributed, alternatively you can load the field with a bunch of mids like Carlton attempted to do.
For what it's worth, I'd only use Tippett in the ruck sparingly, you don't want to waste such a talented KPF in the ruck. Besides, he'd be an average ruckman, and is an infinitely better forward. However I wouldn't be against him moving into the ruck just to get a feel for the ball, not like he has to crash and bash in the ruck. But in big games / finals etc. I'd put money on opposition coaches instructing their ruckman to go at Tippett and make him feel it if he was made to play in the ruck, so we'd have to be strategic in how we choose to use him.
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