I'll probably get banned for this but.....

[marto9000]

i acctually think he might be right.
AC may be a good coach but he may be in the Thomas mould, can take a team so far but cant them past that final hurdle.

 

[macdaddio]

i acctually think he might be right.
AC may be a good coach but he may be in the Thomas mould, can take a team so far but cant them past that final hurdle.

difference is clarko has only been here for 2.5 years, so how do you know how far he can take us...
thomo was at the saints for 5 years and took them to 3 consecutive finals..
why do people always blame the coach, maybe the players were not good enough for thomo to take them further.........

 

[mighty_fighting]

Helen????.........Helen????.....now where'd she go?????????

did she need a time out????

No answers from one who started a very shallow post.....

I have wasted enough breath!

 

[NeXus_Helen]

Helen????.........Helen????.....now where'd she go?????????

did she need a time out????

No answers from one who started a very shallow post.....

I have wasted enough breath!

The true test for Clarko will be 2008. If the Hawks are to fulfill their potential they must adopt an attacking style of footy.This should be their number 1 priority.

I've seen Hawthorn twice this year and to watch such a talented team chip chip chip is a disgrace. It is actually stunting the development of the team. And, although it is not evident now, this will cause untold damage to the team's psyce(spelling??) down the track!!!!

My prediction is that Hawthorn will sack Clarko at the end of 2008 in favour of a more senior coach that will have the nous to take them all the way.

 

[onezzz]

did you watch the saints game yesturday HELEN?

chip, chip, chip

saints trying to wind the clock down 5 mins last qtr

 

[Mojo]

The true test for Clarko will be 2008. If the Hawks are to fulfill their potential they must adopt an attacking style of footy.This should be their number 1 priority.

I've seen Hawthorn twice this year and to watch such a talented team chip chip chip is a disgrace. It is actually stunting the development of the team. And, although it is not evident now, this will cause untold damage to the team's psyce(spelling??) down the track!!!!

My prediction is that Hawthorn will sack Clarko at the end of 2008 in favour of a more senior coach that will have the nous to take them all the way.

You're an idiot HELEN!

 

[Philhawk]

Whilst most of us disagree with Helen's thoughts on Clarkson, let's not be too critical?

Say she was a Hawk fan commenting on her own team, how would you address her post then?

 

[Coathanger]

If my Aunty had balls?

 

[saintsownthedome]

You just have to take a look at the Hawks board after yesterday's loss. Two words that come up time and time again are 'Game Plan'.

Say what you like about Nexus having their say, but its obviously an issue with a lot of Hawks fans.

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

The true test for Clarko will be 2008. If the Hawks are to fulfill their potential they must adopt an attacking style of footy.This should be their number 1 priority.

I've seen Hawthorn twice this year and to watch such a talented team chip chip chip is a disgrace. It is actually stunting the development of the team. And, although it is not evident now, this will cause untold damage to the team's psyce(spelling??) down the track!!!!

My prediction is that Hawthorn will sack Clarko at the end of 2008 in favour of a more senior coach that will have the nous to take them all the way.

You may have a valid point, clarko still has some work to do on his game plan!

But you are simply not giving the man any credit which he deserves, you can not go sacking our coach yet. Each and every year since he has been coach their has been improvement in all areas at the hawks.

This indicates to me if he continues to develope him self and the team for the remainder of his contract at the same pace as his 1st 2.5 years years here. Then odds are he will get a new contract.

Clarko has gone from a new coach and being stubborn to gaining expericnce and being adaptable! He derserves our support until at least 2008 and beyond depends on the up comming peformance.

The jury is out, but it is still to soon to make the call: CLARKO = PREMIERSHIP COACH?

 

[NeXus_Helen]

You may have a valid point, clarko still has some work to do on his game plan!

But you are simply not giving the man any credit which he deserves, you can not go sacking our coach yet. Each and every year since he has been coach their has been improvement in all areas at the hawks.

This indicates to me if he continues to develope him self and the team for the remainder of his contract at the same pace as his 1st 2.5 years years here. Then odds are he will get a new contract.

Clarko has gone from a new coach and being stubborn to gaining expericnce and being adaptable! He derserves our support until at least 2008 and beyond depends on the up comming peformance.

The jury is out, but it is still to soon to make the call: CLARKO = PREMIERSHIP COACH?

Don't get me wrong, I am not bagging Hawthorn. All I am saying is that there will come a time when your board will come to the realisation that Clarko can not take this club any further, and IMHO that will be at the end of next year. I agree, he has done a good job so far.

 

[NeXus_Helen]

Are the natives getting restless?

 

[Philhawk]

Are the natives getting restless?

No?

Tell me, Helen. Are you happy with the gameplan incorporated by Ross Lyon when he first took the job this year?

Lyon had an older, more experienced team than Hawthorn (still physically the youngest team in the competition), who will obviously take more time to adapt to a gameplan that suits the team best.

The gameplan we are using now has been used from the beginning of this season only. At first, it put off opposition teams who hadn't prepared for it from the previous year.

On the flipside, the Saints gameplan was very similarly based on the Swans gameplan - thus opposition teams finding it easier to get used to and prepare for it, whilst at the same time the Saints players themselves weren't exactly sure how to play it.

Take a look at both teams now. The Saints have gotten used to their gameplan and are playing good footy against teams struggling to contain them.

Hawthorn on the other hand are playing reasonable footy, but their inexperience renders them 'helpless' when they encounter match-day situations they havn't encountered before.

Whilst the Saints encountered these 'bumps' at the beginning of the season, we're doing so now.

Whether or not we can get out of this 'slump' in time for the finals and play some tough, competitive footy, I don't know - but wer're on the right track.

 

[NeXus_Helen]

You could be right philhawk, who am I to say otherwise. What I am saying is that with all the talent your club has got, and the fact that the list is so young, I believe that the Clarko gameplan is stunting the development of the club.

Although the club has made a huge improvement this year, that is irrelevent. I firmly believe that Clarko will not be coaching Hawthorn past 2008.

Time will tell.

 

[Philhawk]

You could be right philhawk, who am I to say otherwise. What I am saying is that with all the talent your club has got, and the fact that the list is so young, I believe that the Clarko gameplan is stunting the development of the club.

Although the club has made a huge improvement this year, that is irrelevent. I firmly believe that Clarko will not be coaching Hawthorn past 2008.

Time will tell.

Look, your point is reasonable, but obviously you'll find most Hawk fans disagreeing with you. You're entitled to believe what you wish about Clarkson's gameplan, but you should remember that Clarkson stated prior to this year, no matter how good we travel, he wont throw our young, underdeveloped team 'to the dogs' and make they match up 1 on 1 on players with more harder bodies than them till our players were ready.

That'll come in time.

 

[chogobad]

Helen, compare the game plan of Hawthorn to the forward line, when forward line has 4 of Boyle, Franklin, Roughead and Williams in it to the one last week. Only one of those plus an inexperienced Dowler, with Croady and a mix of Dixon and other smaller types.

Most sides lacking the tall timber play a more indirect game plan, check out the Saints when no multiples of Roo/Kossie/Gehrig/Hamill etc.

Is that the coach changing things up or the players lacking a little confidence?

Also the opposition to an extant dictate the styles of play and the Kanga's always had numbers back so bombing it in quick would result in truckloads of rebound run from the backline for the Kanga's. That's when any good side is dangerous and with moving TC forward and not having enough talls in defense (my opinion on last week) and you get the possession and perfect* pass gameplan that they reverted to.


*except that delivery was far from it!

 

[eros]

You could be right philhawk, who am I to say otherwise. What I am saying is that with all the talent your club has got, and the fact that the list is so young, I believe that the Clarko gameplan is stunting the development of the club.

Although the club has made a huge improvement this year, that is irrelevent. I firmly believe that Clarko will not be coaching Hawthorn past 2008.

Time will tell.

Irrelevant to who or what? An argument that Clarkson can coach? Not sure that we can be so dismissive!

Helen, leaving aside the games against Carlton and Richmond (teams the Hawks were supposed to beat and incidentally, that the saints struggled to put away, was that a result of Lyon's game plan?) did you see the Hawks games against Port Adelaide, the Eagles, Collingwood, Melbourne and the first game against Essendon? Have a look at them before you make the claim that the Clarkson gameplan is stunting the development of the players.

You seem to be basing you claims on a rather skewed sample that I assume does not extend past observing two (maybe three) games this year. Your coach can take some responsility for the farce that was one of them. Your improved team can take some responsibility for the Hawks poor performance in the later meeting. As for last week; I believe your own coach said earlier this year 'I coach a lot better with Nick Reiwoldt in the team'. What's good for the goose is good for the gander - I daresay Clarkson coaches a lot better when Franklin and Mitchell are playing. Missing key personnel had an impact on the team's confidence and ability to implement the 'gameplan'. Sound familiar?


Look - everyone is entitled to their view, but why don't you come back and discuss this when you've watched the games I listed above? Should we judge St Kilda on their performance against the Kangaroos, Essendon, Port Adelaide and the Hawks earlier this year? Or should we, heaven forbid, look at their progress across the whole season.

 

[Ranno]

You could be right philhawk, who am I to say otherwise. What I am saying is that with all the talent your club has got, and the fact that the list is so young, I believe that the Clarko gameplan is stunting the development of the club.

Although the club has made a huge improvement this year, that is irrelevent. I firmly believe that Clarko will not be coaching Hawthorn past 2008.

Time will tell.

I cannot believe you are calling for a more attacking gameplan from Hawthorn given you're a Stkilda supporter. I was DUSGUSTED with the way you played against us!!! When teams employ a tactic as you did against us - to shut down each and every important player and block every little last space on the ground - then we struggle. Teams over the past few weeks have done this and cut out our playmakers. We have to work on that and we will.

StKilda have a more experienced, match-hradened side yet the football you played earlier this year was deplorable (much worse than we are playing now). Is it a coincidnce you had key players out then as we do now????

Your gameplan earlier in the year was to chip the ball around, and strangle the opposition a la Sydney. Though the majority of your team lacked anywhere near the intensity and comittment to deploy such a gameplan - as a result you were a joke to watch. NOW you play a similar gameplan with a lot more discipline and understanding from the players.

I don't know how you can judge us having watched 2 games for the year (obviously both embarassing losses???) Did you watch us play against Port Adelaide this year??? We played far better than StKilda has in any match this year, were far more exciting despite fielding a much younger/inexperienced side in that match then you have for the past couple of months.

The real question to be asked is: Does StKilda need to adopt such a negative gameplen when you have creative midfielders in Montagna, Harvey, Dal Santo, Ball, Hayes and forwards in Kosi, Gherig and Riewoldt???? You could be so much more powerful, so much more direct, high scoring. Did you watch the lions play on the weekend??? if stkilda could adopt a gameplan like that then they would obliterate almost any side because your list is equal to, if not better than Geelong's.

p.s. you only beat Carlton by ten odd points on the weekend. Just a reminder: THEY'RE RATSHIT!!!

Wam bamn thankyou mam.

 

[Davo23]

You could be right philhawk, who am I to say otherwise. What I am saying is that with all the talent your club has got, and the fact that the list is so young, I believe that the Clarko gameplan is stunting the development of the club.

Although the club has made a huge improvement this year, that is irrelevent. I firmly believe that Clarko will not be coaching Hawthorn past 2008.

Time will tell.

I hope you enjoyed the Sydney Swans, oops sorry I mean St Kilda, flooding last night, Helen.

It sure made for a high standard game!


D23

 

[apiro]

Are the natives getting restless?

Helen, I am trying to understand why you feel Clarko does not have the game plan to take Hawthorn all the way. I guess to do this you will have to explain to me what the right game plan is.

For example, we know how you feel about Clarko so clearly Hawthorn's game plan against Essendon yesterday was not acceptable in your eyes.

I know you have not said this categorically, but was the game plan used by Lyons against the Bulldogs on Friday night what you feel Clarko needs to use? Is that your point?

Personally I was more impressed with what I saw on Sunday than last Friday night. But I am also realistic enough to know that it will take a while to judge both Clarko and Lyons. To make sweeping statements on the back of a couple of games could end up in serious embarrassment.