Well doesn't look great on paper (Games experience). Will still watch the game though.
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Analysis Inexperience watch
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Even without the 2 x 200 gamers, I suspect a good few players for the Crows are in the upper level of the age brackets, while our lads are in the lower (eg. 80-100 v 50-70 being counted in the same bracket). That over all experience average differential is pretty big, considering the apparent evenness.
Unfortunately as we've seen, even playing those teams of similar experience, we can be very poor. I think until all of Rockliff, Lester, Gardiner, Merrett and Robertson, (possibly Mayes) are fit, firing and in, we'll struggle, regardless of comparative experience levels.
Unfortunately as we've seen, even playing those teams of similar experience, we can be very poor. I think until all of Rockliff, Lester, Gardiner, Merrett and Robertson, (possibly Mayes) are fit, firing and in, we'll struggle, regardless of comparative experience levels.
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I stumbled across a spreadsheet today that I had made at the end of the 2013 home and away season of our list as it was. It was from early in September, so before the trading and delisting / retirements (i.e. before the go home 5 was official).
Anyway, out of the 40 players that were on our main list back then (just under two years ago), only 20 players are left (19 if you take out Maguire). Of the 6 that were on our Rookie list back then, the only one left is Bourke.
Interestingly, at the end of 2013 our 40 player main list had an average experience of 74 games each. Before last week's game, our current 40 player main list had an average experience of 62.8 games each.
Anyway, out of the 40 players that were on our main list back then (just under two years ago), only 20 players are left (19 if you take out Maguire). Of the 6 that were on our Rookie list back then, the only one left is Bourke.
Interestingly, at the end of 2013 our 40 player main list had an average experience of 74 games each. Before last week's game, our current 40 player main list had an average experience of 62.8 games each.
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So we are *almost* back to our 2013 level ... wonder what our average would have been if they had stayed etc (too complicated and too many variables I know) but it kind of confirms the whole two years of treading water feeling...
It's maybe also worth noting that 5 100 gamers (Staker, McGuane, Maguire, Merrett and Rocky) and 1 99 gamer have been pretty much unavailable all season.
In terms of experience amongst fit players, my guess is we would be substantially further back than that headline number suggests.
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Round 14 - Lions vs. Freo at Subiaco:
The average games experience gap is the third largest this year, just behind the gaps in the North and Essendon games.
- (0 to 10 games - Lions 3 vs. Freo 1)
- 0 to 24 games - Lions 5 vs. Freo 2
- 25 to 49 games - Lions 5 vs. Freo 1
- 50 to 99 games - Lions 5 vs. Freo 5
- 100 to 199 games - Lions 7 vs. Freo 9
- 200+ games - Lions 0 vs. Freo 5
- Average games played - Lions 68.9 vs. Freo 126.8 (= -57.9)
- Average age - Lions 22.4 vs. Freo 25.7 (rough estimates not updated since Jan)
- Average height - Lions 187.6cm vs. Freo 187.8cm
- Average weight - Lions 85.4kg vs. Freo 87.7kg
The average games experience gap is the third largest this year, just behind the gaps in the North and Essendon games.
I can't wait for Adcock to hit 200 games so we can finally have a player in the 200+ games mark
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Ross Lyon team right there
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He'll be complaining about the fact that they have 3 blokes with under 50 games. Bet those guys are out by finals time.
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Round 15 - Lions vs. Swans at the Gabba
On the other hand, it is definitely the most experienced side we have put on the field all year, even if it is still without a handful of top 22 players (Robinson; Green; Martin; and possibly throw in Harwood, Claye Beams and Lester as well).
A few of our players will also move up a bracket next week with Gardiner playing his 25th game, Clarke his 50th and Hanley his 100th.
I actually have reasonably high hopes we can be competitive this week after last week's good effort. A lot will come down to the performances of Rockliff, Hanley and Merrett - whether they are rusty or not.
- (0 to 10 games - Lions 2 vs. Swans 2)
- 0 to 24 games - Lions 5 vs. Swans 3
- 25 to 49 games - Lions 5 vs. Swans 3
- 50 to 99 games - Lions 4 vs. Swans 4
- 100 to 199 games - Lions 8 vs. Swans 8
- 200+ games - Lions 0 vs. Swans 4
- Average games played - Lions 76.7 vs. Swans 118.7 (= -42)
- Average age - Lions 22.9 vs. Swans 25.3(rough estimates not updated since Jan)
- Average height - Lions 188.1cm vs. Swans 187cm
- Average weight - Lions 86.5kg vs. Swans 87.6kg
On the other hand, it is definitely the most experienced side we have put on the field all year, even if it is still without a handful of top 22 players (Robinson; Green; Martin; and possibly throw in Harwood, Claye Beams and Lester as well).
A few of our players will also move up a bracket next week with Gardiner playing his 25th game, Clarke his 50th and Hanley his 100th.
I actually have reasonably high hopes we can be competitive this week after last week's good effort. A lot will come down to the performances of Rockliff, Hanley and Merrett - whether they are rusty or not.
It's interesting to me that while a lot of us see our guys as quite slightly built compared to other sides, the average weights are very close, noting that we're a bit taller. I suppose that's related to us naming a fairly experienced side, but interesting to me regardless.
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I think the published height and particularly weight measurements tend to be pretty inaccurate.
Yeah, that's a good point. I optimistically pretended that they're probably inaccurate in a non-systematic way so the average washes it out s bit, but I agree it's not great data to rely on.
Quite even through that middle age area which is good. Also starting to think that one or 2 differential in the very inexperienced area isn't always bad either. The quality of 0-24 gamers can be vastly different. The worry in their experience is the who and where factor. At times they will have the likes of Goodes, Franklin and Tippett playing in our least experienced part of the ground, which is arguably the most painful, their scoring end.
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A good point. The large portion of our experience is in one area of the ground which is good for that area but also paints a bleak picture across the rest of the ground. You can carry an inexperienced player or two in each line, but almost a whole line of inexperience is going to hurt
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Looks like we could potentially have 10 100 gamers playing this week with Stef and Robbo coming back in!
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Round 16 - Lions vs. Dees at the MCG
However, we clearly have the advantage of having far fewer very inexperienced players (the Demons have 7 with less than 25 games experience to our 3). Given our somewhat reasonable form over the last few weeks I will be disappointed if we are not really competitive this week - in fact I think we should win (with playing interstate the only thing going against us).
Having said that the only other time we went into a game this year with a higher games experience average than our opposition was when we were thrashed by the Gold Coast. I don't think that will happen this time around - the team we have selected against Melbourne is much more experienced and is playing better football.
- (0 to 10 games - Lions 0 vs. Dees 3)
- 0 to 24 games - Lions 3 vs. Dees 7
- 25 to 49 games - Lions 4 vs. Dees 3
- 50 to 99 games - Lions 5 vs. Dees 3
- 100 to 199 games - Lions 10 vs. Dees 7
- 200+ games - Lions 0 vs. Dees 2
- Average games played - Lions 84.6 vs. Dees 84.0 (= +0.6)
- Average age - Lions 23.5 vs. Dees 23.2 (rough estimates not updated since Jan)
- Average height - Lions 188cm vs. Dees 187.2cm
- Average weight - Lions 87.5kg vs. Dees 86.8kg
However, we clearly have the advantage of having far fewer very inexperienced players (the Demons have 7 with less than 25 games experience to our 3). Given our somewhat reasonable form over the last few weeks I will be disappointed if we are not really competitive this week - in fact I think we should win (with playing interstate the only thing going against us).
Having said that the only other time we went into a game this year with a higher games experience average than our opposition was when we were thrashed by the Gold Coast. I don't think that will happen this time around - the team we have selected against Melbourne is much more experienced and is playing better football.
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Average age of Melbourne team last week was 24 years and 3 months, according to footywire.
Same team, so same age plus a week.
We're just shy of 24, I'd reckon. Daniel Cross on his own would make up all of that difference.
I honestly believe we should win this.
Same team, so same age plus a week.
We're just shy of 24, I'd reckon. Daniel Cross on his own would make up all of that difference.
I honestly believe we should win this.
Brisbane 24.45, 84.6 games
Melbourne 24.24, 84.0 games
Melbourne 24.24, 84.0 games
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Well for the only two times this year we have had an experience advantage we have played pretty atrociously. The less said about the Melbourne game the better - bloody torture!
Coming off that it is hard to get too excited about playing the most experienced team in the competition, even if it is at home.
Round 17 - Lions vs. Roos at the Gabba
Still it is the second most experienced side we have put on the park all year, and we have slightly reduced the average games played gap compared to the round 2 game (although it is still the fourth worst gap we have faced for the year).
We are not without a chance at home if we turn up with the right attitude and can get some semblance of structure / gameplan to click, but you would hardly be counting on that to occur after last week.
Coming off that it is hard to get too excited about playing the most experienced team in the competition, even if it is at home.
Round 17 - Lions vs. Roos at the Gabba
- (0 to 10 games - Lions 1 vs. Roos 1)
- 0 to 24 games - Lions 4 vs. Roos 3
- 25 to 49 games - Lions 4 vs. Roos 1
- 50 to 99 games - Lions 4 vs. Roos 5
- 100 to 199 games - Lions 10 vs. Roos 9
- 200+ games - Lions 0 vs. Roos 4
- Average games played - Lions 83 vs. Roos 136.1 (= -53.1)
- (Back in round 2 average games player - Lions 65.1 vs. Roos 129.4 [= -64.2])
- Average age - Lions 23.2 vs. Roos 25.7 (rough estimates not updated since Jan)
- Average height - Lions 188.2cm vs. Roos 187.7cm
- Average weight - Lions 87.2kg vs. Roos 87kg
Still it is the second most experienced side we have put on the park all year, and we have slightly reduced the average games played gap compared to the round 2 game (although it is still the fourth worst gap we have faced for the year).
We are not without a chance at home if we turn up with the right attitude and can get some semblance of structure / gameplan to click, but you would hardly be counting on that to occur after last week.
