News Insightful and Inciteful - 2022 Media Thread

[kane249]

Nice to see some love for the 06 midfield from fans across the spectrum in response to this SuperFooty post:

I'd go the 21 Demons, majority of the other guys are all retired now

 

[Cuzz09]

Out of those sides we had the toughest opponent on the day.

Also makeshift fwd line so gives our mids an extra point

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[JackOutback]

2006 Eagles by the length of the Flemington Straight if we're just talking centre bounce, with 2021 Demons next.

 

[Chris_6678]

Out of those sides we had the toughest opponent on the day.

Also makeshift fwd line so gives our mids an extra point

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Lynch was a beast in those 2006-2007 days as our FF.

Hansen was handy at CHF with the swingman in Hunter also helping.

 

[MrWoollie]

Lynch was a beast in those 2006-2007 days as our FF.

Hansen was handy at CHF with the swingman in Hunter also helping.

To say Hansen was handy was looking through rose coloured beer goggles at the guy.

He played 78 games over 7 seasons, only managing 15+ games once (20 in 2005).
Despite being the primary target of a midfield consisting of Judd/Cousins/Kerr/Cox, he never kicked 5 goals in a game, averaging 1.2 in his career.
Only managed 3 or 4 goals 15 times, managed to be goalless 26 times and was a solitary goal scorer 29 times.
Edit - that means that for 70% of his games he kicked, at best, one goal.
By the end of his career he had bad knees, hips, back and shoulders. He was slow off the mark on the lead, couldn't bend his knees to pick up a ground ball, couldn't raise his arms above his head and had the turning circle of the Queen Mary.

He did come across as a nice guy though.

Loved the big Q and he did have a purple patch (no, not the jumper wearing kind) in 2006-7. 65 and 52 goals. Rest of his career was a little underwhelming.
Unlike Hansen he did manage 5+ goals on multiple occasions (10).
Would have been a great second or third tall. Shame Smith kept breaking down. Could have been the difference between a sh*te forward line and a very good one.

 

[The wily weagle]

It makes me both happy and sad looking at our center square nucleus
Father son: 1995 pick 6: Ben Cousins: balanced midfielder
Pick 13: 2000 Daniel Kerr

Daniel Kerr

Age

41

Ht

178cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.1

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

15.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

7.6

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.8

5star

: Inside midfielder
Pick 3: 2001 Chris Judd: inside midfielder

The nucleus of a legendary side was built through identitying elite contested ball winners who hit the scoreboard

Tellingly, we haven't drafted another elite contested ball winning midfielder with a top 10 pick since Judd

 

[bzparkes]

It makes me both happy and sad looking at our center square nucleus
Father son: 1995 pick 6: Ben Cousins: balanced midfielder
Pick 13: 2000 Daniel Kerr: Inside midfielder
Pick 3: 2001 Chris Judd: inside midfielder

The nucleus of a legendary side was built through identitying elite contested ball winners who hit the scoreboard

Tellingly, we haven't drafted another elite contested ball winning midfielder with a top 10 pick since Judd

How many top 10 picks have we used since drafting Judd?

4?

 

[Keys]

It makes me both happy and sad looking at our center square nucleus
Father son: 1995 pick 6: Ben Cousins: balanced midfielder
Pick 13: 2000 Daniel Kerr: Inside midfielder
Pick 3: 2001 Chris Judd: inside midfielder

The nucleus of a legendary side was built through identitying elite contested ball winners who hit the scoreboard

Tellingly, we haven't drafted another elite contested ball winning midfielder with a top 10 pick since Judd

We’ve had a sum total of 5 top 10 picks since Judd

07 - Masten
08 - Naitanui
09 - Sheppard
10 - Gaff
13 - Sheed (sort of top 10)

Sheed (141) is the only one not to play 200 games and will likely get there eventually

Naitanui, Sheed Gaff and Sheppard all made the AA team at least once.

For all the shit our recruiters cop, we’ve done relatively well without access to the pointy end of the draft

Fremantle have had 8 since 2016 by way of comparison

 

[The wily weagle]

How many top 10 picks have we used since drafting Judd?

4?

The point i am making is one of prioritisation:

Judd, Kerr and Cousins were the nucleus of a legendary team because they:
-would work hard defensively and tackle
-were elite at contested ball
-can hit the scoreboard

Every elite team i have ever seen have at least 2 of these types

We haven't prioritised this type of inside, tackling, goal kicking midfielder since Judd.

For most teams, that elite, inside contested ball winning midfielder is the number 1 priority because the game is won and lost in the middle, and, contested ball is the most important stat in football

The way we operate, we look at that type of player last. A bona fide contested ball winning midfielder tends to be the least of our priorities. Which is VERY concerning. We have joked for so long about the BBIMWHBWF that we need that I think we are belatedly starting to conceded O'brien might never see it (yes yes, I get that Masten was meant to have been drafted as an inside mid, just as Brander was meant to have been drafted as a forward......)

O'brien can draft a tall, granted. But the lack of prioritisation of inside midfielders with early picks has long been a deficiency i believe will continue

And until its genuinely addressed, across a series of drafts, I think we will struggle

 

[06Premiers]

We’ve had a sum total of 5 top 10 picks since Judd

07 - Masten
08 - Naitanui
09 - Sheppard
10 - Gaff
13 - Sheed (sort of top 10)

Sheed (141) is the only one not to play 200 games and will likely get there eventually

Naitanui, Sheed and Sheppard all made the AA team at least once.

For all the s**t our recruiters cop, we’ve done relatively well without access to the pointy end of the draft

Fremantle have had 8 since 2016 by way of comparison

To complete the picture...

03 - Dunn (8)
05 - Drum (22)
07 - Palmer (53)
08 - Hill (218)
09 - Morabito (26)
16 - Logue (64)
17 - Brayshaw (100), Cerra (76)
19 - Young (35), Serong (58), Henry (27)
21 - Amiss (3), Erasmus (5)

For all the shit ROB cops, he sure as shit makes his top 10 picks count. Unlike his friends down the road.
Granted they've done well since 2017, but even then not perfect.

 

[bzparkes]

The point i am making is one of prioritisation:

Judd, Kerr and Cousins were the nucleus of a legendary team because they:
-would work hard defensively and tackle
-were elite at contested ball
-can hit the scoreboard

Every elite team i have ever seen have at least 2 of these types

We haven't prioritised this type of inside, tackling, goal kicking midfielder since Judd.

For most teams, that elite, inside contested ball winning midfielder is the number 1 priority because the game is won and lost in the middle, and, contested ball is the most important stat in football

The way we operate, we look at that type of player last. A bona fide contested ball winning midfielder tends to be the least of our priorities. Which is VERY concerning. We have joked for so long about the BBIMWHBWF that we need that I think we are belatedly starting to conceded O'brien might never see it (yes yes, I get that Masten was meant to have been drafted as an inside mid, just as Brander was meant to have been drafted as a forward......)

O'brien can draft a tall, granted. But the lack of prioritisation of inside midfielders with early picks has long been a deficiency i believe will continue

And until its genuinely addressed, across a series of drafts, I think we will struggle

We had Shuey, Redden and Yeo in our last premiership team. Whilst not of the same calibre as Judd/Kerr/Cousins, they were elite in the contest in the 2018 finals series.

We simply haven't had access to the picks to get these kinds of players.

We wanted pick 2 in the 2007, which would've netted us Cotchin but could only get pick 3. We used that on Masten, who has an elite inside mid prior tot eh draft.

There was also talk we tried to lure Dusty west at one point.

Sure, it didn't pan out that way with Masten but ti doesn't appear to me as though the club disregards the kinds of players you mentioned.

 

[kane249]

The point i am making is one of prioritisation:

Judd, Kerr and Cousins were the nucleus of a legendary team because they:
-would work hard defensively and tackle
-were elite at contested ball
-can hit the scoreboard

Every elite team i have ever seen have at least 2 of these types

We haven't prioritised this type of inside, tackling, goal kicking midfielder since Judd.

For most teams, that elite, inside contested ball winning midfielder is the number 1 priority because the game is won and lost in the middle, and, contested ball is the most important stat in football

The way we operate, we look at that type of player last. A bona fide contested ball winning midfielder tends to be the least of our priorities. Which is VERY concerning. We have joked for so long about the BBIMWHBWF that we need that I think we are belatedly starting to conceded O'brien might never see it (yes yes, I get that Masten was meant to have been drafted as an inside mid, just as Brander was meant to have been drafted as a forward......)

O'brien can draft a tall, granted. But the lack of prioritisation of inside midfielders with early picks has long been a deficiency i believe will continue

And until its genuinely addressed, across a series of drafts, I think we will struggle

FWIW
Daniel Kerr - pick 18
Ben Cousins F/S, our first pick in his draft year was pick 14

Neither were early draft picks

 

[kane249]

To say Hansen was handy was looking through rose coloured beer goggles at the guy.

He played 78 games over 7 seasons, only managing 15+ games once (20 in 2005).
Despite being the primary target of a midfield consisting of Judd/Cousins/Kerr/Cox, he never kicked 5 goals in a game, averaging 1.2 in his career.
Only managed 3 or 4 goals 15 times, managed to be goalless 26 times and was a solitary goal scorer 29 times.
Edit - that means that for 70% of his games he kicked, at best, one goal.
By the end of his career he had bad knees, hips, back and shoulders. He was slow off the mark on the lead, couldn't bend his knees to pick up a ground ball, couldn't raise his arms above his head and had the turning circle of the Queen Mary.

He did come across as a nice guy though.

Loved the big Q and he did have a purple patch (no, not the jumper wearing kind) in 2006-7. 65 and 52 goals. Rest of his career was a little underwhelming.
Unlike Hansen he did manage 5+ goals on multiple occasions (10).
Would have been a great second or third tall. Shame Smith kept breaking down. Could have been the difference between a sh*te forward line and a very good one.

Hansen pulled down 8 marks and kicked 2 goals in the 2006 Grand Final, played an under rated part in the win that day.

He was injured a lot, but he straightened the team and gave them a much needed focal point at CHF when he was there.

 

[Ishmael_]

Nice to see some love for the 06 midfield from fans across the spectrum in response to this SuperFooty post:

Quality troll not including Brisbane there.

Of those it's Eagles, daylight and then a raffle. Weirdly it might be Demons, with Viney the only average player.

Maybe Collingwood? Jolly was serviceable and Thomas was a flash in the pan but maybe in 2010/11.

 

[shooshka]

The point i am making is one of prioritisation:

Judd, Kerr and Cousins were the nucleus of a legendary team because they:
-would work hard defensively and tackle
-were elite at contested ball
-can hit the scoreboard

Every elite team i have ever seen have at least 2 of these types

We haven't prioritised this type of inside, tackling, goal kicking midfielder since Judd.

For most teams, that elite, inside contested ball winning midfielder is the number 1 priority because the game is won and lost in the middle, and, contested ball is the most important stat in football

The way we operate, we look at that type of player last. A bona fide contested ball winning midfielder tends to be the least of our priorities. Which is VERY concerning. We have joked for so long about the BBIMWHBWF that we need that I think we are belatedly starting to conceded O'brien might never see it (yes yes, I get that Masten was meant to have been drafted as an inside mid, just as Brander was meant to have been drafted as a forward......)

O'brien can draft a tall, granted. But the lack of prioritisation of inside midfielders with early picks has long been a deficiency i believe will continue

And until its genuinely addressed, across a series of drafts, I think we will struggle

Who is the most recent player we have drafted?

It seems like he may have at least started to prioritise inside ball winners who can also defend.

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[Ambrose Burnside]

FWIW
Daniel Kerr - pick 18
Ben Cousins F/S, our first pick in his draft year was pick 14

Neither were early draft picks

If Cuz was drafted under current rules, we would have had to have accumulated enough picks for pick one ala Brisbane this year.

 

[Bender_]

We’ve had a sum total of 5 top 10 picks since Judd

07 - Masten
08 - Naitanui
09 - Sheppard
10 - Gaff
13 - Sheed (sort of top 10)

Sheed (141) is the only one not to play 200 games and will likely get there eventually

Naitanui, Sheed and Sheppard all made the AA team at least once.

For all the s**t our recruiters cop, we’ve done relatively well without access to the pointy end of the draft

Fremantle have had 8 since 2016 by way of comparison

Sheed or Gaff for AA? Otherwise I'm learning something new today.

 

[The Passenger]

If Cuz was drafted under current rules, we would have had to have accumulated enough picks for pick one ala Brisbane this year.

Was Ben Cousins seen as a potential number 1 pick at the time?

I was way too young to have any knowledge of the draft at that point in time.

Given he was a pretty clear winner of the RS in 1996 and had both West Coast and Geelong chasing his signature the year before it would suggest to me he would have been a pretty highly rated junior.

 

[Keys]

Sheed or Gaff for AA? Otherwise I'm learning something new today.

Ah ****

Gaff. Not Sheed.

 

[kane249]

If Cuz was drafted under current rules, we would have had to have accumulated enough picks for pick one ala Brisbane this year.

Was Ben Cousins seen as a potential number 1 pick at the time?

I was way too young to have any knowledge of the draft at that point in time.

Given he was a pretty clear winner of the RS in 1996 and had both West Coast and Geelong chasing his signature the year before it would suggest to me he would have been a pretty highly rated junior.

Under the current rules we wouldn't have had Cousins, he would be aligned to Fremantle.

God knows how he got aligned to us as a choice back then, but glad he chose us over Geelong and Freo.

Freo got to choose Clive with the number 1 pick that year.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Under the current rules we wouldn't have had Cousins, he would be aligned to Fremantle.

God knows how he got aligned to us as a choice back then, but glad he chose us over Geelong and Freo.

Freo got to choose Clive with the number 1 pick that year.

Under the current rules Cousins would have been aligned to Geelong, as that's the only AFL side his father played for. Fremantle aren't entitled to WAFL father sons anymore.

 

[kane249]

Under the current rules Cousins would have been aligned to Geelong, as that's the only AFL side his father played for. Fremantle aren't entitled to WAFL father sons anymore.

Not true, it got changed.

They extended it because the argument was you may have a player who had kids later in life.

Maurice Rioli Jr was eligible for Freo

Crows are picking up a player this year F/S who's dad played in the SANFL

 

[Truckosaurus]

Not true, it got changed.

They extended it because the argument was you may have a player who had kids later in life.

Maurice Rioli Jr was eligible for Freo in 2020

Crows are picking up a player this year F/S who's dad played in the SANFL

Well that's ****ing rough, I don't remember us getting that benefit. Or do we? Who should I be stalking?

 

[kane249]

Well that's ******* rough, I don't remember us getting that benefit. Or do we? Who should I be stalking?

Theoretically if someone from our eligible clubs popped out a kid later in life, we should be eligible if the Crows are still getting them

Hopefully no more players like the Morton's though

 

[Pwani Magharibi]

From a Fox Footy article a few days back on coaches under pressure in 2023:



It's bizarre how quickly people forget the Eagles finished ninth in 2021, but here we are.