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Thing is, if or when Bazzo is ready to talk about it, everyone on here will read or watch it, plenty will comment on the article, offering their support.
And that’s why they do it.
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And that’s why they do it.
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They have to ask. But they should only ask once. And, in a situation like this, they could obviously ask through the club.
I can tell you, no journalist likes doing a death knock. But it’s part of the job all the same.
Mothers day isn't a public holiday and it's not the same day everywhere. You can even move the date for it.
Personally I'd like second of jan to be a public holiday. Then we get two 5 day breaks together
Nailed it.
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Can’t open the article but I’ll bet a jillion dollars the legend is Peter Sumich.
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Glen Jakovich. Who I’m sure was your next guess anyway.
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I was expecting to need a hazmat suit to wade into that comments section, and it did not disappoint. Most young and middle aged people are barely active on Facebook at this point so it’s basically become a haven for right-wing boomers who are angry that the world has changed somewhat in the past 60 years.
The funny thing is, their post didn’t even discuss the most contentious issue (changing the date). It just acknowledged that there are people who feel like they should celebrate Australia today, and also First Nations people for whom today is associated with a sense of sorrow and loss. This is objectively true, but for some reason there are people who think that First Nations people and those who agree with them should clam up and stop ruining their fun. It’s not surprising that a club which has a lot of indigenous players, staff and supporters is trying to strike a good balance here.
I read one comment along the lines of “well if aboriginal people don’t like the settlers then they should go back to living off the land and stop using all the advances that non-aboriginal people introduced.” I know this sentiment is out there, but it’s still a bit jarring to see someone posting under their own identity that those silly savages should just shut up and be grateful for all the cool stuff we gave them.
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My problem with all special rights and acknowledgements for Aboriginal people is purely this. We are a modern democracy and everyone's voice should be equal otherwise all you are doing is engendering systemic racism into future generations. Poor people in particular of other backgrounds will feel slighted and there will be a continued generational 'what about me' feeling.
The past is the past and we can't change it. You can only say sorry so many times as a government for something that no-one in any position of power had any control over and almost no-one has a living memory of now.
There are more direct immigrants and people of chinese heritage in Australia by 60plus % than Aboriginal people and roughly the same amount of Indian people in Australia as aboriginal people. (this includes anyone who identifies as aboriginal and can have anywhere from 0% heritage upwards as there is no burden of proof to prove heritage on the census) To put it into perspective Australia has a population that is now above 50% for first or second generation immigrants.
If you want to move the day then move the day but it has to be one of national significance of when Australia became distinctly Australia and not a british colony or similar. I mean even if its purely on the date when constitutionally Aboriginals gained the same rights as historical white australians such as the referendum date on the 27th of May 1967 (Liberal holt government 90%+ vote on referendum). But would that even be considered acceptable or just result in as much backlash. (this also ties in with the changes to immigration introduced by the liberal Holt government) Or do you take it further to the effective date of changes made by the Whitlam government in 1973 (Labor government)
Do you make the date in October due to the 2016 government formal reaffirmation of racial respect (I don't have the exact date on hand for this). These are the points at that time. (Malcom Turnbull Liberal government)
The only real long term solution in regards to a date change if you are going to have one is when Australia becomes a republic and changing it to that date. But even then you are still going to get backlash from Aboriginal Australians as they aren't significantly noted.
I will also be voting no on an Aboriginal voice to parliament on the basis that its basis is discriminatory to others and that all peoples votes should carry the same weight (that is my position and the basis of democracy). Remember we already have a minister in government for Aboriginal affairs. (this is a primary ministry whilst the ministry for immigration, citizenship and multicultural affairs is an outer ministry meaning there is already a governmental parliamentary imbalance favouring Indigenous Australians)
People also need to remember no matter what you do you can't please everyone. I firmly believe in equal constitutional rights for all people as that is the closest to fair that you can get. Every campaign group no matter the issue over time don't ask for equality they ask for more rights than others as they feel slighted or have actually been slighted by the past. However you can't change the past you can only legislate for the now and the future.
Lastly at some point in time people need to accept responsibility for their own personal situation. As they say you can show people the door but they have to walk through it. If people want to improve their lives, the lives of their families, their children and their children's children the buck rests on each individuals back.
In regards to politics it has been my long held view that WA should secede and become it's own country as we are downright played for fools at federal level in regards to taxation, funds distribution amongst a whole host of other things. But that's a topic for another day. Either way it is only going to affect my son and his children not myself as I will be retiring overseas in the near future.
The past is the past and we can't change it. You can only say sorry so many times as a government for something that no-one in any position of power had any control over and almost no-one has a living memory of now.
There are more direct immigrants and people of chinese heritage in Australia by 60plus % than Aboriginal people and roughly the same amount of Indian people in Australia as aboriginal people. (this includes anyone who identifies as aboriginal and can have anywhere from 0% heritage upwards as there is no burden of proof to prove heritage on the census) To put it into perspective Australia has a population that is now above 50% for first or second generation immigrants.
If you want to move the day then move the day but it has to be one of national significance of when Australia became distinctly Australia and not a british colony or similar. I mean even if its purely on the date when constitutionally Aboriginals gained the same rights as historical white australians such as the referendum date on the 27th of May 1967 (Liberal holt government 90%+ vote on referendum). But would that even be considered acceptable or just result in as much backlash. (this also ties in with the changes to immigration introduced by the liberal Holt government) Or do you take it further to the effective date of changes made by the Whitlam government in 1973 (Labor government)
Do you make the date in October due to the 2016 government formal reaffirmation of racial respect (I don't have the exact date on hand for this). These are the points at that time. (Malcom Turnbull Liberal government)
- reaffirms its commitment to the right of all Australians to enjoy equal rights and be treated with equal respect regardless of race, colour, creed or origin
- reaffirms its commitment to maintaining an immigration policy wholly non-discriminatory on grounds of race, colour creed or origin
- reaffirms its commitment to the process of reconciliation with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, in the context of redressing their profound social and economic disadvantage
- reaffirms its commitment to maintain Australia as a culturally diverse, tolerant and open society, united by an overriding commitment to our nation, and its democratic institutions and values and
- denounces racial intolerance in any form as incompatible with the kind of society we are and want to be.' The statement was supported by the Opposition Leader and carried unanimously.
The only real long term solution in regards to a date change if you are going to have one is when Australia becomes a republic and changing it to that date. But even then you are still going to get backlash from Aboriginal Australians as they aren't significantly noted.
I will also be voting no on an Aboriginal voice to parliament on the basis that its basis is discriminatory to others and that all peoples votes should carry the same weight (that is my position and the basis of democracy). Remember we already have a minister in government for Aboriginal affairs. (this is a primary ministry whilst the ministry for immigration, citizenship and multicultural affairs is an outer ministry meaning there is already a governmental parliamentary imbalance favouring Indigenous Australians)
People also need to remember no matter what you do you can't please everyone. I firmly believe in equal constitutional rights for all people as that is the closest to fair that you can get. Every campaign group no matter the issue over time don't ask for equality they ask for more rights than others as they feel slighted or have actually been slighted by the past. However you can't change the past you can only legislate for the now and the future.
Lastly at some point in time people need to accept responsibility for their own personal situation. As they say you can show people the door but they have to walk through it. If people want to improve their lives, the lives of their families, their children and their children's children the buck rests on each individuals back.
In regards to politics it has been my long held view that WA should secede and become it's own country as we are downright played for fools at federal level in regards to taxation, funds distribution amongst a whole host of other things. But that's a topic for another day. Either way it is only going to affect my son and his children not myself as I will be retiring overseas in the near future.
Ok I'll accept your point. But tell me then if more than 50% of Australia's population is first or second generation immigrant why 3.2% of the population have a further enshrined power to parliament or preferential treatment above what they already do in regards to other Australians?
Or are the 5.6% of Australians that are of chinese heritage or the 3.1% Indian population less important or are the lesser people or lesser Australians?
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Isn't this getting way off topic?
Would rather avoid another diatribe as to why a minority have it too good.
Would rather avoid another diatribe as to why a minority have it too good.
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It's a political debate probably best not for the WCE board Media thread, is my point.
If I want to engage with your post I'd do it elsewhere tbh.
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It wasn't that fun. I didn't have fun. Biggie, did you have fun?
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It wasn't that fun. I didn't have fun. Biggie, did you have fun?
In other news, the AFL hasn't been heavy handed with sweeping rule changes this coming season:
No 50m penalties for fake handballs among rule tweaks
The AFL has made tweaks to three rule interpretations ahead of the 2023 season
The second change will be a nightmare for umpires. But the other two are actually very well reasoned even if the last one is im just ****ing sick of hearing 15s all the time.
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