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[Papa G]

Pure hypothetical here, but if Trump negotiates an end to the war in the Ukraine without Ukraine ceding territory in the first 6 months of his presidency what would be your take?

This won't happen. What I said a year ago will happen. Russia will get all the territory it has gained. Ukraine will have to make assurances it will not join NATO. Zelensky will be sent into exile. Trump will say to that's it though. No more expansion or I'll **** you up. There will be a few small concessions here and there but that will be the crux of it. I said this a year ago and was derided and called a monster yada, yada. No I'm just a realist. This was a Proxy war that Ukraine could never win that the NeoCon Democrats wanted to weaken/destabilize Russia. That hasn't materialized. Trump has consistently said he would end it and this is how it will play out.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

This won't happen. What I said a year ago will happen. Russia will get all the territory it has gained. Ukraine will have to make assurances it will not join NATO. Zelensky will be sent into exile. Trump will say to that's it though. No more expansion or I'll **** you up. There will be a few small concessions here and there but that will be the crux of it. I said this a year ago and was derided and called a monster yada, yada. No I'm just a realist. This was a Proxy war that Ukraine could never win that the NeoCon Democrats wanted to weaken/destabilize Russia. That hasn't materialized. Trump has consistently said he would end it and this is how it will play out.

I'm just putting it forward as a hypothetical. While your prediction is certainly possible I don't think there's a person on the planet (including Trump, Zelensky and Putiepie) that can be 100% confident in exactly how it will play out.

 

[Papa G]

I'm just putting it forward as a hypothetical. While your prediction is certainly possible I don't think there's a person on the planet (including Trump, Zelensky and Putiepie) that can be 100% confident in exactly how it will play out.

Your hypothetical 100% wont happen. Oh and nobody gives a flying **** what OGC's take is because he's a moron.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Pure hypothetical here, but if Trump negotiates an end to the war in the Ukraine without Ukraine ceding territory in the first 6 months of his presidency what would be your take?

All Ukraine land returned, including Crimea, and their children and allowed to join NATO in coming years, plus big reparations to rebuild the Eastern part of the country which were totally destroyed.
I would call him a genius.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Your hypothetical 100% wont happen. Oh and nobody gives a flying **** what OGC's take is because he's a moron.

You’re an idiot

 

[backtozero]

All Ukraine land returned, including Crimea, and their children and allowed to join NATO in coming years, plus big reparations to rebuild the Eastern part of the country which were totally destroyed.
I would call him a genius.

Thats not going to happen without a huge escalation, and nobody wants that.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Your hypothetical 100% wont happen. Oh and nobody gives a flying **** what OGC's take is because he's a moron.

Hypotheticals dont need to be perfectly accurate to be valuable in discussion (though of course I totally disagree with your "100%" assessment). If I was making a prediction I would state that instead. Im testing the inverse to the "if Trump murdered someone in broad daylight people would still vote for him" theory.

I care about OGCs take on this, because Id say his posts suggest he has views representative of a large part of society today.

 

[Papa G]

Hypotheticals dont need to be perfectly accurate to be valuable in discussion (though of course I totally disagree with your "100%" assessment). If I was making a prediction I would state that instead. Im testing the inverse to the "if Trump murdered someone in broad daylight people would still vote for him" theory.

I care about OGCs take on this, because Id say his posts suggest he has views representative of a large part of society today.

If OGC's take represents a large part of society, Society is completely ****ed. He lives in his own echo chamber. Most of his posts are completely inane, nobody responds and he's basically talking to himself. Look at the Covid threads and this one for evidence of that. Even most of the Soyboys on here find him hard to take seriously.

I mean look at his this for verification he lives in some alternat reality:

"All Ukraine land returned, including Crimea, and their children and allowed to join NATO in coming years, plus big reparations to rebuild the Eastern part of the country which were totally destroyed.
I would call him a genius."

WW3 is more likely than this outcome. In fact if this was the objective, it is likely we have WW3.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

If OGC's take represents a large part of society, Society is completely ****ed. He lives in his own echo chamber. Most of his posts are completely inane, nobody responds and he's basically talking to himself. Look at the Covid threads and this one for evidence of that. Even most of the Soyboys on here find him hard to take seriously.

I mean look at his this for verification he lives in some alternat reality:

"All Ukraine land returned, including Crimea, and their children and allowed to join NATO in coming years, plus big reparations to rebuild the Eastern part of the country which were totally destroyed.
I would call him a genius."

WW3 is more likely than this outcome. In fact if this was the objective, it is likely we have WW3.

I think its worth noting that the entire Western framing of this conflict over the last four years has been by those with a vested interest in keeping war going at all costs. Those that benefited from it have been the exact same weapons manufacturers that pay the salary and promotion of the democrats in America. I don't actually find his comment that impossible (apart from the reparations and maybe the return of all hostages).

Also think you massively underestimate how big the left-wing echo chamber is now too.

But anyway I don't want to get dragged in to a politics thread but let's see where we are in 6-12 months.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

She has crazy eyes. She would chop off his little orange mushroom if he touched her.

 

[PowerBaz]

 

[raptalia]

Pure hypothetical here, but if Trump negotiates an end to the war in the Ukraine without Ukraine ceding territory in the first 6 months of his presidency what would be your take?

Putin doing a favor for an old mate or maybe Trump calling in favor or two?

 

[PowerBaz]

Yeah Mr Rudd, you better leave.

......meanwhile have they forgotten Trump called Harris 'mentally disabled'? (amongst other wild things he's said)......

Is it just me or is the USA a ****ing oddball country.

 

[JimmyBC]

Yeah Mr Rudd, you better leave.

......meanwhile have they forgotten Trump called Harris 'mentally disabled'? (amongst other wild things he's said)......

Is it just me or is the USA a ****ing oddball country.




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Did he? I mean she has become known as the queen of word salad by all and sundry.

Rudd does need to go it's an unworkable situation with his history of shitcanning Trump.

 

[PowerBaz]

Did he? I mean she has become known as the queen of word salad by all and sundry.

Rudd does need to go it's an unworkable situation with his history of shitcanning Trump.

Yeah he did.

Also, Trump's vice president-elect called him an "idiot" and said he was "reprehensible." Privately, he compared him to Adolf Hitler. I mean if that's all out in the open on plenty of articles then Trump must be pretty forgiving.

 

[JimmyBC]

Yeah he did.

Also, Trump's vice president-elect called him an "idiot" and said he was "reprehensible." Privately, he compared him to Adolf Hitler. I mean if that's all out in the open on plenty of articles then Trump must be pretty forgiving.

The difference is Vance apologized and kissed Trump's ass is Kevin07 willing to get on his knees?

He's gotta go

 

[PowerBaz]

The difference is Vance apologized and kissed Trump's ass is Kevin07 willing to get on his knees?

He's gotta go

Maybe Kevin can apologise then.

 

[BornPort]

This won't happen. What I said a year ago will happen. Russia will get all the territory it has gained. Ukraine will have to make assurances it will not join NATO. Zelensky will be sent into exile. Trump will say to that's it though. No more expansion or I'll **** you up. There will be a few small concessions here and there but that will be the crux of it. I said this a year ago and was derided and called a monster yada, yada. No I'm just a realist. This was a Proxy war that Ukraine could never win that the NeoCon Democrats wanted to weaken/destabilize Russia. That hasn't materialized. Trump has consistently said he would end it and this is how it will play out.

lol.

 

[TazD]

lol.

Yeah, one would've thought that line would've been put in place at the Crimea annexation.

 

[Papa G]

Yeah, one would've thought that line would've been put in place at the Crimea annexation.

2 years before Trump took office?

 

[Papa G]

In my best Trump voice to this whole Ukranian situation: "Im gonna be so right, the rightest guy in history, nobody is righter than me".


...And Im going to be right,

 

[TazD]

2 years before Trump took office?

I meant in the sense of the US government

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Greg Norman to replace Rudd as Oz Ambassador in USA.

Called for it in 2017, but might be more useful now. At least make him deputy ambassador and he can play golf with Trump in Florida, given they live around the corner from each other.

Hockey played a lot of golf with Trump whilst he was ambassador, and has said he lost a lot of golf games to Trump. Want to see Norman beat Trump, fire him up and then they can have discussions about matters of state.

Most US presidents have made big donors to their campaigns as their ambassadors to Oz. We have had shopping centre moguls and real estate developers as ambassadors - no diplomatic experience.

Obama made one of his lawyer mates Jeff ???? ambassador in his first term, who was pretty good in the Oz media, then a gay guy professional state department type replaced him. Took Trump a couple of years to appoint a permanent ambassador and he was an ex Ronald Regan chief counsel, worked for Dick Chaney, worked on McCain's campaign - was establishment republican.

Biden appointed Caroline Kennedy another lawyer, she took up her post 18 months after Biden became Prez, but having been ambassador to Japan during Obama's presidency, she knew the ropes - as well as the strategic value of the Pacific.

 

[JimmyBC]

Might not be a problem for long I guess if an election is called early next year & Albo is out on his ass.

 

[wannabejack]

This won't happen. What I said a year ago will happen. Russia will get all the territory it has gained. Ukraine will have to make assurances it will not join NATO. Zelensky will be sent into exile. Trump will say to that's it though. No more expansion or I'll **** you up. There will be a few small concessions here and there but that will be the crux of it. I said this a year ago and was derided and called a monster yada, yada. No I'm just a realist. This was a Proxy war that Ukraine could never win that the NeoCon Democrats wanted to weaken/destabilize Russia. That hasn't materialized. Trump has consistently said he would end it and this is how it will play out.

So what’s your take on war crimes, the rebuild of Ukraine (would russia have to pay for it), and the sanctions on russia.
Also, if russia gets to keep the territory it has gained in Ukraine surely this means Ukraine get to keep the territory it has gained in russia.
Ukrainians in a recent poll
"Around 46% of Ukrainians would be ready to accept giving up Donbas and Crimea, the poll said, with 39% of them saying that compromise would be difficult."

With your plan russia doesn’t make any concessions apart from “a few small concessions here and there.”