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They might as well be. They are banned from playing at their home states in grand finals lol
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Opinion Is father-son access going to heavily dictate the next decade of premiers?
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Well the dockers had Alex Silvagni on our playing list around 2010. Once he left Freo, he went to Carlton
I don't get why people try to compare our rules to other comps.
Seriously, if you like their rules better, go follow their comps.
The AFL is doing ok, go have a look at how many of the 18 teams have won premierships, 14 in 34 years, I doubt your other comps you love to compare has that strike rate.
Our rules are different because we are not them.
There has been some players that have been more successful once leaving their father son clubs as well.
J Daniher
J Kennedy
T Mitchell
to name a few.
Because they are fairer competitions. They invented the draft, we adopted a draft but keep adding qualifiers that negate the reason one has a draft.
And I can follow more than one competition.
The 34 years ropes in the period from 2000-2009 when we had:
- 16 teams in the competition
- automatic priority picks for poor teams
- every team make a preliminary final
Go from 2012 when GWS (and their concessions) came in, and the equalisation picture is less rosy. With 18 teams automatic priority picks (based on on-field performance and not bedroom performance) are even more needed.
Adelaide - no finals since 2017
Carlton - no GF this century
Essendon - no finals win in 20 years
Fremantle - no premierships, no prelim since 2015
North Melbourne - no finals since 2016
St Kilda - no prelim since 2010
All of those teams except Freo have finished last since 2010.
Teams finishing last from Port entering the comp (and there first prelim appearance after)
Melbourne 1997 (Prelim 1998)
Brisbane 1998 (Prelim 1999)
Collingwood 1999 (Prelim 2002)
St Kilda 2000 (Prelim 2004)
Fremantle 2001 (Prelim 2006)
Western Bulldogs 2003 (Prelim 2008)
I've excluded Carlton from that period because they didn't have the full draft capital due to their salary cap penalties.
There is no reasonable denial that the AFL has an equalisation problem and has had one for over a decade. The Father-Son rule only exacerbates that problem.
Brisbane went from last in 2017 to a Premiership in 8 years.
They received a priority pick in 2016.
Who did we get with that pick?
True, but end of first round - not the Riewoldt/Kosi or Roughead/Franklin massive free kick
Will Hayward. No joke
Brisbane traded up in the draft with that pick (in a trade involving Pearce Hanley) and the better pick they ended up with became Jarrod Berry.
Elixuh
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What other national sporting competition has 10 of 18 teams in the same city/direct region and the vast majority of talent coming from that region?
The draft is not equitable unless you’re from the VFL.
Sounds like a win.
All that needs to happen is that they again review how they get to a club.
Remove the discount in relation to matching a bid for starters.
And also add a rule where have to have a pick within say 10 picks (plus the rest) so if Daicos was bid on with pick 4, Pies need to use a pick 5-14 plus the additional to make up the value in points.
Remove the discount in relation to matching a bid for starters.
And also add a rule where have to have a pick within say 10 picks (plus the rest) so if Daicos was bid on with pick 4, Pies need to use a pick 5-14 plus the additional to make up the value in points.
Can I disagree with both of you?
We shouldn’t ape everything the NFL does, but there is no reason we can’t look at what they do well.
FWIW, I have no issue with father/son access, just the points discount.
Lot of PL teams in London. Because that's where the most football followers are.
It's a nice deflection.
I reckon his old man played for Collingwood as well. So he got the success by going to his old man's club and leaving the one where his old man never played. The opposite of your theorem.
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
Doesn’t the EPL recruit a significant number of players from international regions? So much so that they had to introduce rules to ensure teams actually drafted players from the the UK. Terrible comparison.
Bit different from the vast majority of draftees coming from the VFL.
Barry Mitchell, yeah? Carlton and Sydney.
Almost zero academy players “make it” at their original clubs.
Ironically, if Kennedy hadn’t gone to Sydney, Mitchell probably would have stayed.
Golumless
A bigger deal out west.
I both disagree and agree to this. I do think the AFL does lose something special in the sporting world if they nixed father/sons, which is that link to amateur era and having certain families being keystones of a football club. However, the other side of the coin is right now, we're in an era where you cannot win anything without some form of concessions helping your grand final list build and we're seeing scenarios where successful teams are getting top 5 draft picks, i.e. Brisbane this year, Dogs getting Darcy, Collingwood Daicos.
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